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Post by Coil Audio on Feb 19, 2017 16:35:36 GMT -6
But you must admit that its much easier (and cheaper) to do it that way. Little less labor, no jumper wire needed between the pcb and panel mount jack - also 3 less solder points. Last i checked a cheap Rean/Neutrik TRS pcb mount was 50cents at your numbers (100+) and a similar panel mount XLR (also plastic not metal) was just over $1 or so. What brand of Jacks are you using? It is not, I actually dont care, soldering a wire takes seconds. I also dont care about saving 50 cents, we are not some kind of cheap company, I could have saved 10 dollars per unit using imitation knobs and chinesse capacitors instead of Sifam knobs Panasonic caps. I honestly do not care. I use the best of the best and most expensive parts on all units, that is why we make a difference. I used to make them with XLR's until several clients asked me for TRS, so I went ahead that way, I dont get what the problem is, it functions and sounds the same and none has ever failed. Anyways, the new ones come with XLR's, people can go back to being happy now. Wasn't trying to give you a hard time stam - no one was calling you cheap. i just now saw in some photos on another post that the i/o is on its own pcb connected via molex connectors, so i assume the XLR you used are the same then (pcb mounted) which would mean they would take the same amount of time to install -logistically. You were right sort of- but just to clarify 'pcb mount' and 'chassis mount' are not the same. Thats all - cool stuff! |
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Post by schmalzy on Feb 19, 2017 20:52:33 GMT -6
It could come with fuckin' RCA inputs and a single 1/8" stereo output connector and I'd still want another one. I'll build the cabling out of golden Mogami pubes with all the cash I saved over the SSL analog compressor. I used it on my drum bus. It made the drums better. I use it on my whole mix. It made the mix better. Medium attack on overheads, it made the overheads better. Fast attack on rooms, it made the room mics better. On the rhythm guitar bus (with an EQd sidechain input), it made the guitars better. I've been meaning to run my summed kick on one channel and my bass guitar on the other as mono signals working in tandem to glue them together. I think it'll sound awesome (but I haven't done that experiment yet). Keep doin' what you're doin' stam! |
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Post by donr on Feb 19, 2017 21:15:35 GMT -6
I wouldn't have a problem with TRS jacks if the shaft and collar are mounted to the chassis. Board mounted I/O is asking for trouble. It kills gear that flies, I'll tell ya. Airlines are brutal. Plastic jacks loosen up, but so do rack screws. Board mounted pots can and do dislodge just from drop shock.
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2017 21:37:48 GMT -6
I wouldn't have a problem with TRS jacks if the shaft and collar are mounted to the chassis. Board mounted I/O is asking for trouble. It kills gear that flies, I'll tell ya. Airlines are brutal. Plastic jacks loosen up, but so do rack screws. Board mounted pots can and do dislodge just from drop shock. I remember a 3/4 ATA that was full of Crown amps that someone at an airline put a forklift fork through! |
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Post by drbill on Feb 19, 2017 22:33:02 GMT -6
I remember ATA keyboard and rack cases with tire tread marks on them when I picked em up at baggage. Go figure that one out. They survived though.  Board mounted i/o is not up to long term pro duty for a lot of applications. Chassis mounted i/o is generally pretty good. I prefer XLR as well, but TRS is OK if chassis mounted. |
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Post by javamad on Feb 20, 2017 3:06:01 GMT -6
Pre-ordered one. Timing was good on this, I'm just putting together a hybrid rig.
I have a RND 5060 and I'm assembling a set of compressors/EQ to be able to patch across the various groups and 2-bus. I have a Zener Limiter on the way (yey!) and I'm looking at Kush EQ's.
Last night I was experimenting with my 2 Distressors on the drum bus ... kinda hard to keep it subtle so something like the SA-4000 is just what the doctor ordered :-)
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Post by Guitar on Feb 21, 2017 18:44:45 GMT -6
I wonder if you could just chassis mount some Switchcraft 1/4" TRS jacks instead of punching for XLR? Might be a little easier. Switchraft jacks are the figurative 'brick shithouse' of jacks.
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Post by Ward on Feb 21, 2017 20:48:54 GMT -6
It could come with fuckin' RCA inputs and a single 1/8" stereo output connector and I'd still want another one. I'll build the cabling out of golden Mogami pubes with all the cash I saved over the SSL analog compressor. I used it on my drum bus. It made the drums better. I use it on my whole mix. It made the mix better. Medium attack on overheads, it made the overheads better. Fast attack on rooms, it made the room mics better. On the rhythm guitar bus (with an EQd sidechain input), it made the guitars better. I've been meaning to run my summed kick on one channel and my bass guitar on the other as mono signals working in tandem to glue them together. I think it'll sound awesome (but I haven't done that experiment yet). Keep doin' what you're doin' stam! Well stated! |
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Post by terryrocks on Apr 20, 2017 21:56:12 GMT -6
stam, the pre order price on these is $490? So $100 deposit and then $390 upon completion? And is the new shipping option available?
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Post by stam on Apr 24, 2017 15:22:03 GMT -6
Correct sir,
The new shipping will be much lower as well!
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Post by terryrocks on Apr 24, 2017 15:56:00 GMT -6
Ok. Placing my preorder now
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Post by javamad on May 10, 2017 8:40:54 GMT -6
Hi Stam,
Any update on the building-shipping of these? Are we still on track for May-June? Is that build or shipping? (yes, I know, we are an impatient lot :-) )
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 10, 2017 9:54:34 GMT -6
Hi Stam, Any update on the building-shipping of these? Are we still on track for May-June? Is that build or shipping? (yes, I know, we are an impatient lot :-) ) I do not think you are being impatient asking a valid question, the shipping date in the first post says shipping May-June and it's May 10... Hope Stam can meet his deadlines, if so I know more *repeat business will be headed his way... |
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 10, 2017 10:26:54 GMT -6
"repent business" is such an interesting typo. I don't wanna go there ;-)
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Post by terryrocks on Aug 13, 2017 1:54:58 GMT -6
stam , the pre order price on these is $490? So $100 deposit and then $390 upon completion? And is the new shipping option available? It's now August and I definitely preordered in April. have not heard anything from stam about the balance for completed item as of august 12. wondering what's up |
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Post by mulmany on Aug 13, 2017 6:31:47 GMT -6
stam , the pre order price on these is $490? So $100 deposit and then $390 upon completion? And is the new shipping option available? It's now August and I definitely preordered in April. have not heard anything from stam about the balance for completed item as of august 12. wondering what's up They are expecting to send out invoices this month. They had a huge customs hold-up. |
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Post by terryrocks on Sept 5, 2017 8:45:35 GMT -6
stam , the pre order price on these is $490? So $100 deposit and then $390 upon completion? And is the new shipping option available? Just got an invoice for $495 apparently the shipping is $105 |
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Post by mulmany on Sept 5, 2017 9:39:08 GMT -6
stam , the pre order price on these is $490? So $100 deposit and then $390 upon completion? And is the new shipping option available? Just got an invoice for $495 apparently the shipping is $105 Hmm... That's a bit excessive! |
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Post by terryrocks on Sept 5, 2017 9:59:47 GMT -6
I expected it to be closer to $50 or $60 like Stam was saying back in April.
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Post by stam on Sept 6, 2017 18:31:54 GMT -6
Shipping on mics is 69 dollars, at least the 47 fet and 87
For preamps and compressors it is a flat 100-105
Try shipping 6 kilos with USPS to Chile, might cost 140 dollars or so
Shipping a preampplifier within the US itself can cost up to 100 dollars so I don't know how 105 for shipping from 10.000 km away is excessive.
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Post by mulmany on Sept 6, 2017 22:06:45 GMT -6
Shipping on mics is 69 dollars, at least the 47 fet and 87 For preamps and compressors it is a flat 100-105 Try shipping 6 kilos with USPS to Chile, might cost 140 dollars or so Shipping a preampplifier within the US itself can cost up to 100 dollars so I don't know how 105 for shipping from 10.000 km away is excessive. Its not a dig at you... I have received product from from Australia, Korea, Germany, and the U.K. I am just surprised that it is still so much. I am happy to pay, because your product is still a great deal even with higher rates given your location. I am very eager to receive my invoice for my SA-4000+, so that I can pay and have it at my door. |
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Post by stam on Sept 7, 2017 7:40:32 GMT -6
One of the reasons I have to price my units lower is to stay competitive, even when adding shipping we like to think we offer a superior product at the best price in the market.
The SA4000+ weighs much more than the SA4000, hopefully the rate will be similar
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Post by brucerothwell on Sept 7, 2017 8:50:59 GMT -6
The SA4000+ weighs much more than the SA4000, hopefully the rate will be similar Is the SA4000+ the version with transformers, or is it some other way? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 7, 2017 9:02:43 GMT -6
yes with the transformers and higher price.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2017 8:29:25 GMT -6
I've said this before...but why not just raise your prices $100 and say "free shipping?" I think - at least with Americans - we tend to be suspicious and paranoid, so when there's extra cost involved that wasn't accounted before in the beginning, we feel like we're getting taken advantage of...I'm not saying that is right, just think it's true.
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Board mounted i/o is not up to long term pro duty for a lot of applications. Chassis mounted i/o is generally pretty good. I prefer XLR as well, but TRS is OK if chassis mounted.
