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Post by stam on Feb 16, 2017 19:50:34 GMT -6
Hi Guys, The next batch of SA-4000 will be shipping in May-June and we are taking pre-orders at only 490.00 dollars with a 100 dollar deposit as always. It will have XLR´s in and out You can reserve yours here: stamaudio.com/sa-4000.htmlThanks Joshua PD: The 1073 starts shipping in 2 weeks
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 17, 2017 10:56:35 GMT -6
Any way I can get a board to replace my TRS ins and outs with XLRs? Or should I just punch holes and wire it up?
The TRS is pretty flimsy.
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Post by stam on Feb 17, 2017 11:05:49 GMT -6
Any way I can get a board to replace my TRS ins and outs with XLRs? Or should I just punch holes and wire it up? The TRS is pretty flimsy. You need to punch them but I would not do that if I were you There is nothing flimsy about them, non has ever failed
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 17, 2017 11:31:53 GMT -6
They wiggle around pretty seriously with the slightest amount of pressure and the only thing holding them in is the 3 solder joints...
I have a mobile rig in 2 road cases that travels with me. Last thing I'd want to worry about is dealing with pulling out a soldering iron on a gig.
I have the tooling to punch the holes, I rack up vintage modules a good amount.
I'll probably just go ahead and direct wire everything. Was just wondering if I'd be able to purchase one of the newer boards from you and plug and play after punching holes.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 17, 2017 11:44:49 GMT -6
Is there some reason you don't use a patchbay: lack of space in the traveling rig ?
I just have my stam patched.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 17, 2017 11:58:28 GMT -6
I do have a bay, but the stress of the 1/4" cables bugs me. I have everything zip tied off, but there is still slack and things can bounce around. With the XLR connectors, they are at least mounted to the back of the unit. The TRS jacks are plastic and mounted only to the pcb on the inside - not to the chassis. If it were installed in a static spot and was never moved I'm sure the TRS would be fine. I just prefer everything to be XRL.
Plus I'm slightly OCD about this stuff hah
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Post by john on Feb 17, 2017 12:16:05 GMT -6
I have everything zip tied off, you are a brave dude.
yes the jacks wiggle. I thought I could tighten a nut in there but haven't unracked it to pop the top.
I have never used sidechain before. Can someone kindly explain how this units sidechain is supposed to function? would be very appreciated.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 17, 2017 12:32:05 GMT -6
This explains things pretty well.
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Post by reddirt on Feb 17, 2017 12:47:06 GMT -6
I know plugs not mounted to the chassis is done a lot these days to save money etc but I would have thought the way the unit is spoken of that it was above that rubbish. There is nothing surer than if you plug/unplug several times or trip over a lead etc then they'll s**t themselves. Racked up in a non moving situation should be OK but in my world PCB mounting of pots or plugs is not a pro option FWIW. I assume that the pots are not chassis mounted as well? Quality TRS are fine for me if mounted to the chassis; that's just a preference thing.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by drbill on Feb 17, 2017 12:48:13 GMT -6
I just prefer everything to be XRL. Plus I'm slightly OCD about this stuff hah <<thumbsup!!!>>
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 17, 2017 12:52:00 GMT -6
I just prefer everything to be XRL. Plus I'm slightly OCD about this stuff hah <<thumbsup!!!>> Hah OCD and Dyslexic.
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Post by reddirt on Feb 17, 2017 15:31:49 GMT -6
If Frank Sinatra had have been dyslexic - "I got you under my sink".........
cheers
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 17, 2017 20:35:00 GMT -6
If Frank Sinatra had have been dyslexic - "I got you under my sink"......... cheers I laffed...but maybe it's "serial killer frank Sinatra"
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 17, 2017 20:37:52 GMT -6
maybe ol blue eyes longed to be plumber: good money in the trades you know ?
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Post by stam on Feb 18, 2017 8:59:17 GMT -6
I know plugs not mounted to the chassis is done a lot these days to save money etc but I would have thought the way the unit is spoken of that it was above that rubbish. There is nothing surer than if you plug/unplug several times or trip over a lead etc then they'll s**t themselves. Racked up in a non moving situation should be OK but in my world PCB mounting of pots or plugs is not a pro option FWIW. I assume that the pots are not chassis mounted as well? Quality TRS are fine for me if mounted to the chassis; that's just a preference thing. Cheers, Ross It actually does not save a penny vs chassis mounted XLR's!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 18, 2017 13:48:48 GMT -6
So why not use chasis mounted XLR's?
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Post by Coil Audio on Feb 18, 2017 15:37:10 GMT -6
I know plugs not mounted to the chassis is done a lot these days to save money etc but I would have thought the way the unit is spoken of that it was above that rubbish. There is nothing surer than if you plug/unplug several times or trip over a lead etc then they'll s**t themselves. Racked up in a non moving situation should be OK but in my world PCB mounting of pots or plugs is not a pro option FWIW. I assume that the pots are not chassis mounted as well? Quality TRS are fine for me if mounted to the chassis; that's just a preference thing. Cheers, Ross It actually does not save a penny vs chassis mounted XLR's! But you must admit that its much easier (and cheaper) to do it that way. Little less labor, no jumper wire needed between the pcb and panel mount jack - also 3 less solder points. Last i checked a cheap Rean/Neutrik TRS pcb mount was 50cents at your numbers (100+) and a similar panel mount XLR (also plastic not metal) was just over $1 or so. What brand of Jacks are you using?
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Post by reddirt on Feb 18, 2017 15:39:05 GMT -6
Absolutely - one of those things that's crept in but how any serious eqpt maker ( not singling out Stam here ) can let it is beyond me - there's bound to be issues Cheers.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 18, 2017 17:08:26 GMT -6
I don't see much reason for the pcb for the jacks myself. I'm just going to punch the holes, buy some panel mount Xlr jacks and hard wire everything.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 18, 2017 20:31:17 GMT -6
I get what you guys are saying...but it IS only $490...believe that's cheaper than the Waves SSL Bundle (when it's not on sale)
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Post by ChaseUTB on Feb 18, 2017 23:29:25 GMT -6
I get what you guys are saying...but it IS only $490...believe that's cheaper than the Waves SSL Bundle (when it's not on sale) With shipping its the same 😂😩
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Post by stam on Feb 19, 2017 9:57:37 GMT -6
It actually does not save a penny vs chassis mounted XLR's! But you must admit that its much easier (and cheaper) to do it that way. Little less labor, no jumper wire needed between the pcb and panel mount jack - also 3 less solder points. Last i checked a cheap Rean/Neutrik TRS pcb mount was 50cents at your numbers (100+) and a similar panel mount XLR (also plastic not metal) was just over $1 or so. What brand of Jacks are you using? It is not, I actually dont care, soldering a wire takes seconds. I also dont care about saving 50 cents, we are not some kind of cheap company, I could have saved 10 dollars per unit using imitation knobs and chinesse capacitors instead of Sifam knobs Panasonic caps. I honestly do not care. I use the best of the best and most expensive parts on all units, that is why we make a difference. I used to make them with XLR's until several clients asked me for TRS, so I went ahead that way, I dont get what the problem is, it functions and sounds the same and none has ever failed. Anyways, the new ones come with XLR's, people can go back to being happy now.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 19, 2017 10:09:44 GMT -6
Personally I understand the possibility of failure but it doesn't seem very likely to me, as the the hole in the case which guides the trs male plug is pretty tight on the actual female insert. I think you'd have to really reef on it to get it to fail: not going to happen very easily ?
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 19, 2017 10:46:57 GMT -6
Maybe you can do both XLR and TRS, and then every possible complaint would be taken care of!
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2017 11:04:15 GMT -6
But you must admit that its much easier (and cheaper) to do it that way. Little less labor, no jumper wire needed between the pcb and panel mount jack - also 3 less solder points. Last i checked a cheap Rean/Neutrik TRS pcb mount was 50cents at your numbers (100+) and a similar panel mount XLR (also plastic not metal) was just over $1 or so. What brand of Jacks are you using? It is not, I actually dont care, soldering a wire takes seconds. I also dont care about saving 50 cents, we are not some kind of cheap company, I could have saved 10 dollars per unit using imitation knobs and chinesse capacitors instead of Sifam knobs Panasonic caps. I honestly do not care. I use the best of the best and most expensive parts on all units, that is why we make a difference. I used to make them with XLR's until several clients asked me for TRS, so I went ahead that way, I dont get what the problem is, it functions and sounds the same and none has ever failed. Anyways, the new ones come with XLR's, people can go back to being happy now. Josh welcome to the world of being a gear manufacturers, I know these are your babies but you have to get a thicker skin and shake it off. I get it's hard and I know your trying your damndest but walk away from some of this stuff you can't please everybody! I do understand how some feel about connectors being changed after their orders but guys your getting it at over 1/2 the price of the competition!
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