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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 5, 2017 21:39:18 GMT -6
No - haven't heard the Chandler in my environment...(studio would probably be a stretch lol)...but Spock brought it by Randy's and it sounded damn good there. I just got the Upton back from Shannon tonight and holy crap...sounds fantastic. At this point, I think things are just different, not better. From memory and from the clips, the Chandler is much more mellow than the Upton...not that that makes the Upton less by any stretch. Truth is, I could use both...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 5, 2017 21:41:54 GMT -6
No - haven't heard the Chandler in my environment...(studio would probably be a stretch lol)...but Spock brought it by Randy's and it sounded damn good there. I just got the Upton back from Shannon tonight and holy crap...sounds fantastic. At this point, I think things are just different, not better. From memory and from the clips, the Chandler is much more mellow than the Upton...not that that makes the Upton less by any stretch. Truth is, I could use both... I agree different flavors of great😬 Truth is u would sound dam good thru whatever mic b/c you are a great singer man!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 5, 2017 21:42:21 GMT -6
And I guess I should walk that "doesn't need Shannon" thing back a little. Just for MY voice, the piercing screechings of a teen baboon on quaaludes, I needed to make some changes with the Upton...but I'm super happy with the Upton, though that doesn't make me want the Chandler any less.
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 5, 2017 21:47:21 GMT -6
I liked the 251 better on both examples, but I concur it was more unnatural. There was something more appealing and sexy, yet less good technically. That being said, I think I would like the REDD more once I have to put it in a mix. I feel it would blend more easily, and the sexiness I like on that raw track of the 251 could be achieved with some tweaking on the REDD. And even if I liked the 251 better in those examples, I did not like it 4000$ better. Yeah 9k yikes. The Telefunken sounds off to me Pokey in some spots,no body , adding a little 100hz on a pultec helped.imo not as intimate or "real" as the Redd.the high end sounds separated ,not cohesive and creamy like a good vintage Elam has. That's been my big issue with many of the new reissue CK12 capsules I've heard. sibilant for all the wrong reasons.and eq didn't help. Mind you I have heard a new TFunk reissue that sounded really good,but it also had a NOS CK12 installed. But this mic we had in yesterday sounds nothing like the original 251 I used to use. I did very little de essing with that mic On the right singer it sounded unreal.
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 5, 2017 21:52:42 GMT -6
And I guess I should walk that "doesn't need Shannon" thing back a little. Just for MY voice, the piercing screechings of a teen baboon on quaaludes, I needed to make some changes with the Upton...but I'm super happy with the Upton, though that doesn't make me want the Chandler any less. lol I've heard your voice on a few diff mics over the years. I remember the Wunder through Sta?neve? sounded great too Glad to hear you got the upton in the sweet spot. Post some clips!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 5, 2017 21:57:57 GMT -6
I will...
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 5, 2017 22:33:22 GMT -6
Dang just realized we should've put my C12a's up against the tfunk. They sound amazing.
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 8, 2017 19:25:40 GMT -6
The Redd went up against a u47,48,modded 67 and amazing Elam 251 last night. The real shocker for me was I liked the Redd more than the 47&48. Elam and 67 both insanely great .. apples to oranges.
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 30, 2017 17:39:36 GMT -6
Just sublime
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Post by spock on May 3, 2017 23:04:18 GMT -6
Just sublime Happy for you!
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 14, 2017 23:59:12 GMT -6
Well, it's here. Picked up a Demo of the REDD today from Alto Music Brooklyn. I got it hooked up and did some quick sound tests. It's very nice. The clarity is very nice. Will post some tests and such soon.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 15, 2017 8:13:03 GMT -6
Good news Vincent. Can't wait to hear some files.
John, what exactly did Shannon do to the Upton, I'm curious.
Roubdbadge, are there any files of that comparison I can listen to?
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 15, 2017 16:04:40 GMT -6
Ok guys. I simply repeated the two tests I posted before when I had the FLEA 49 in my studio. I only did a quick take, so the vocals aren't perfect. I'll do something nice when I get my video together. I did one take in regular mode and one with Low Contour engaged. On the operatic take I kept the mic preamp on normal. On the Crooning take it was on drive (other mics during crooning takes used various tube pres which are labeled, operatic takes were all done using the UAD1073 pre). It's not a perfect test, but it should give you some idea how the mic compares to the other mics; BLUE Bottle Rocket with B7 Cap, AA CM49, FLEA 49, and the MKU67 on the operatic take. www.dropbox.com/sh/gksy8w842usm2rj/AACYmvA3Gg6P4dafdbANXg-pa?dl=0
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 15, 2017 20:19:55 GMT -6
Sounds pretty damn good. It haunts my dreams at night.
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Post by ericn on Sept 15, 2017 20:59:48 GMT -6
Sounds pretty damn good. It haunts my dreams at night. Hey I know this guy who can get you a great deal, he's in Nashville....😁
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Post by c0rtland on Sept 15, 2017 21:41:06 GMT -6
Listened to the croons
The only one I didn't like on this was the blue. Over did the mids.
Flea was soft and smooth (very nice) Aa was a bit brighter and a little less soft than the flea. (Very nice) Chandler was most hifi and articulate but didn't have the softness of the flea. (Very nice)
Hard pick, taste choices. The aa felt like a blend of the flea and redd.
The redd sounded more finished like you had used a wonderfully chosen compressor. I think this is tied to its capabilities of reach. It picks up every nuance of the timbre. The downside is it's a bit less forgiving. I think some parallel compression would help the aa in pulling up the less prominent timbres in your voice. .
The redd is kinda cheating though. It's perfectly paired to its pre.
To add another level of complexity to this, have you tried an um900? Maybe it's not what you are looking for... but it always impresses me. Different in most ways from these mics, but lacking in nothing as a vocal mic. Would love to hear you on one.
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Post by rob61 on Sept 17, 2017 8:29:00 GMT -6
Put the MKU67 in your mic closet, sell everything else and buy that FLEA M49.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 17, 2017 9:18:09 GMT -6
Very interesting Vincent, thanks for posting. At this level, it's all good. No one could argue any one of these being your choice. I only listened to the opera tracks. The Flea M49 was magnificent. Still, it was kind of forward. The REDD was similar to a U47 but fuller. So it really depends on your feeling when singing through it.
From the perspective of someone wanting a U47 but not having $15,000 -$20,000 in their budget, the new $9,000 Telefunken sounds fantastic to me, but it's so high priced, it might cause most people who want one to wait until they find a deal on one used. The REDD at $5,000 then begins to look like a bargain. True world class. I wish you had the Soyuz 0-17 in that mix, you might be seriously surprised. The Soyuz has qualities similar to a 67 and 47, but has its own sound, it's a little smoother and fuller.
I realize the REDD tracks were done at a later date. Do you think the lower volume was due to your settings, or did the REDD have lower gain than the other mics?
So which sound are you leaning toward?
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 17, 2017 21:32:37 GMT -6
Redirecting some of the comparison questions back to the M49 thread I started. c0rtland I think HiFi is a great way of describing the Chandler REDD mic. It has a very modern sound, but its not bright. If you wanted a microphone that has the best parts of the U47 and an ELA M251 and put them together in one mic, the REDD is that microphone. I actually really like the Low Contour Mode for the same reasons I like my AA CM251. I'm really looking forward to trying my wife on the Chandler REDD. I may have even convinced her to make some time to record something for the YouTube video I'm planning with it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 17, 2017 21:48:18 GMT -6
So for you, which mic are you leaning toward Vincent?
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Post by ericn on Sept 18, 2017 4:18:59 GMT -6
I wanted to hear you on the Chandlers first because so far it has shown itself to be world class, second while I have gotten to know voices like Kennedy, you are an acid test, and push a mic to its limits, & Spock needs some tracks like the ones you can provide. While it fared very well, and in no way disipointed, for you the 49 just seams a better fit, and that's the thing at this level it's all about fit.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 18, 2017 19:08:45 GMT -6
So for you, which mic are you leaning toward Vincent? Take a look at the other thread. My comments are there.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 18, 2017 19:22:57 GMT -6
The M49 thread? I see where you're going, and I think the mic that suits you best is the Flea. Your comparison of the REDD and the Flea was kinda like my mic shootout. The U47 was flawless with my voice, but the U67 was just magic.
The REDD was fantastic, but the 49 was incredible.
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Post by spock on Sept 18, 2017 19:52:17 GMT -6
So, this happened yesterday...with Jason Mraz; he has a really wonderful studio, and owns a U47 and a 251 and some other choice pieces. They used the REDD Microphone -> 1176 on his vocals, various overdub tracking, and Cello... The settings on the mic for his vocal were: Cardioid, Gain: 30db, Drive, standard voicing, Output at unity. It was fun to see their faces light up as they experienced it. https://www.instagram.com/p/BZKBWvthEqG
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 20, 2017 0:01:57 GMT -6
I wanted to hear you on the Chandlers first because so far it has shown itself to be world class, second while I have gotten to know voices like Kennedy, you are an acid test, and push a mic to its limits, & Spock needs some tracks like the ones you can provide. While it fared very well, and in no way disipointed, for you the 49 just seams a better fit, and that's the thing at this level it's all about fit. Agreed. I'm really glad I tried the REDD Microphone. At this level of microphone its just about taste and vibe. Either of these microphones work. I also enjoyed speaking with spock who, aside from being a really nice guy, is also an opera singer and engineer. So we compared a lot of notes and could have probably talked a lot longer. Hoping to record some video stuff for the REDD this week. I think I'm going to put it up against my U87ai, since I think that's a microphone a lot of people know and can extrapolate the sound of the microphone from. Plus I think the REDD microphone would make a good workhorse on top of being "the vocal microphone" for many studios. Mostly I think it will just be a little review of the microphone, which is something I haven't done on my channel before.
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