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Post by Guitar on Jan 20, 2018 18:57:25 GMT -6
Sounds as good as any thing. Maybe not too much better or worse.
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 20, 2018 19:22:09 GMT -6
Sounds as good as any thing. Maybe not too much better or worse. Don't fool yourself man. No offense. Get that thing in a room and a/b it against another mic and you'll know. It's the shiz. Smooth. Open. 3D. Articulate but not harsh. Punchy . Mmm. Daddy likes.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 20, 2018 20:55:49 GMT -6
monkeyxx, when you consider the benchmark recordings done with classic mics like U47's, M49's, U67's C12's, 251's, there isn't much more that can be done to improve upon those microphones. They're all top of the line, but each is a slightly different flavor, so people try to match the mic to the voice, even choosing one over the other for a particular color/vibe the artist is looking for. So when a new mic arrives that's looking to join those classics on Mount Olympus, it's like a new wine that wants to be as respected as a first growth, it may take a while before people accept it's in that class, and that's a good thing.
So in the case of the REDD, the've managed to do what seemed impossible, get the better aspects of many of these mics in one mic. Like a baseball or football dream team, it might seem great on paper, but would those players be able to play together in a way that's better than the sum of its parts? That's the trick the REDD has managed. No one's saying a vintage U47 or 67 or 251 might not be the better choice sometimes, but if those classic mics rate a 10, the REDD has kind of gone to 10.1. There's a little more life and realism, it's as big as a 67, crisp and articulate as a 47, smooth as a C12, yet it has it's own sound, and then there's the Drive switch, which is a true wow when you use it. So, the good news is that relative to those mics, it's affordable. You can buy three REDD's for the price of one vintage mic, and not feel like you're still missing something.
Me, I really like the honky sound of the U67, and might very well choose that for some tracks, even if the Chandler was available, but I'd want to A-B them if I could, because the REDD's good enough to make you think it may very well be better.
So there it is. For 4.5 G's you can get a world class mic, not one you're slightly unsure of and rethinking the capsule or of modifying and that's reason to be cheerful. Even if it's way above my pay grade, I'm glad it's there, because it gives me hope I might get one some day.
It would be a huge relief to know I'm not missing anything as far as microphones go, because my music is basically vocal centric, like Lyle Lovette and Ryan Adams, and in the end, it's all about the vocal.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 21, 2018 7:46:51 GMT -6
I just keep hearing this peaky high end on all the clips. Not sure if that's the microphone, or the mixing. I was sort of turned off by the Green Day acoustic guitar sound. Probably just different mixing aesthetics. The vocal sounds great.
Yes you are right, cortland. It would be much more fair to make an assessment having one here with my own stuff.
I am a mere peanut gallery commentator at this point. Please regard my commentary as such. I'm just sitting here on the sidelines hearing low-rez sound clips. Not trying to step on anyone's toes.
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Post by spock on Jan 21, 2018 8:52:02 GMT -6
Guitar good point in general regarding how that was mixed or mastered, I only know the tracking details at this point. FWIW though not coming across that way here; I guess you’ll just have to try one. On the Rhys track, I thought it was interesting they’d added +2 at 12 kHz during tracking, while in drive.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 21, 2018 9:16:20 GMT -6
The more I listen to these tracks the more I am hearing a specific "character" that I really like. Having spent a good deal of time with some of the classic EMI/Abbey Road records I want to say I bet a lot of it has to do with the REDD tube preamp. Maybe that's obvious. It's just interesting that you can hear the quality of it.
The REDD 47 preamp has always been sort of a piece of fantasy gear for me. It's good that they are available now.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 21, 2018 10:26:41 GMT -6
I know what you mean monkeyxx. I was at a studio shootout with the Soyuz mics and Neumann's a few months ago. Strange as it was, the Soyuz 0-19 FET fared even better than their lovely SDC's and the Neumann's. But.... as soon as the guitar hit the first few chords in front of the vintage U67, I got goosebumps, there it was, the Beatles sound, right there. So I think a lot of it was the mic and the studio itself, the preamp was I think, the third factor.
I had the REDD.47 based Dizengoff D4 and it too had that slight extra little bit on the top. That's the price you pay to get such incredible detail and realism. I'd love to try the Chandler in a real studio and track with a real LA2A or a CL1B. I bet that would be something.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 21, 2018 11:02:23 GMT -6
I’m finishing up my video this week, hopefully. It was nice to take a break, then go back and listen to the clips again. The REDD is a really nice microphone.
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Post by clumsycongregation on Jan 21, 2018 11:30:17 GMT -6
I just keep hearing this peaky high end on all the clips. Not sure if that's the microphone, or the mixing. I was sort of turned off by the Green Day acoustic guitar sound. Probably just different mixing aesthetics. The vocal sounds great. I feel you on that, MonkeyXX. I personally did not like the sound of the Green Day tune. Way too much high-end detail for my particular tastes. Granted, it may have been exaggerated during mix/master, but the REDD definitely provides that extended top. I own a REDD and I find that I prefer rolling off the highs around 15K. (At least for my voice). Having said that, I fully agree with what others have described: the high end is "smooth" and lovely. The tone is terrific. For me it's just the quantity of detail that might not be the right fit for a given source. Excited to continue exploring the mic though!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 21, 2018 11:55:12 GMT -6
That's kind of what I was thinking clumsycongregation. You can always EQ and compress the REDD to taste and dial in exactly the tone you want. Rolling off the ultra highs is much better than having to boost highs to compensate for weakness in that region.
Oh, and welcome to the forum !
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Post by drsax on Jan 21, 2018 20:36:19 GMT -6
Here’s the thing about the REDD Mic - it is SO freaking versatile, and takes processing so well, that you can get results that suite you. Want full and non sibilant? It does that naturally. Want extra warm? The signal it captures still sounds natural even when the highs are rolled off. Want something to cut through a modern mix? It’ll take EQ boosts and compression nicely too. It cracks me up how so many people hang on every online post of a recording ready to praise or diss this Mic. Here’s the deal. Try one - in a respectable room, with a good source. It’s not the perfect mic for everything or everyone, but it’s better on most things than any other Mic in my collection, and totally stellar on the majority of sources I’ve used it on.
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Post by drsax on Jan 21, 2018 20:40:29 GMT -6
That's kind of what I was thinking clumsycongregation. You can always EQ and compress the REDD to taste and dial in exactly the tone you want. Rolling off the ultra highs is much better than having to boost highs to compensate for weakness in that region. Oh, and welcome to the forum ! Agreed Martin John Butler - and you know because you’ve spent time with it. This mirrors my experience too. It records so nicely it rarely needs much post processing- but if I want, I can do more with it in post than any mic I’ve ever worked with.
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Post by reddirt on Jan 22, 2018 0:16:28 GMT -6
The U67 re-issue will be out soon and there'll be peace in the Redd world - speculators/ diss merchants will leave off and shift to the Neumann.
Me, I'll have one (or 2) of each thanks!
Cheers
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2018 15:12:32 GMT -6
It'll be fun comparing the two. Both will be new, so there won't be any speculation about whether the 67 is right or not because of age, it'll be a fair fight ;-)
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Post by Guitar on Jan 24, 2018 15:21:47 GMT -6
I just watched this video and it gave me a pretty immediate respect for Wade and Chandler Limited... unless I strike gold, a UAD plugin is as probably as close as I'm going to get, haha.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2018 17:36:16 GMT -6
I just watched this video and it gave me a pretty immediate respect for Wade and Chandler Limited... unless I strike gold, a UAD plugin is as probably as close as I'm going to get, haha. Wow. Great find. I am honestly more inclined to buy Chandler gear now. (Not that I needed any more reason)
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Post by john on Jan 24, 2018 17:42:12 GMT -6
I just watched this video and it gave me a pretty immediate respect for Wade and Chandler Limited... unless I strike gold, a UAD plugin is as probably as close as I'm going to get, haha. Yes! I posted this clip back in the 500 series TG announcement thread. A former member dismissed it as 'a video of Wade talking' haha some folks...
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Post by ragan on Jan 24, 2018 17:44:56 GMT -6
It'll be fun comparing the two. Both will be new, so there won't be any speculation about whether the 67 is right or not because of age, it'll be a fair fight ;-) And based on the clips I've heard, the two would have a hard time being more different (just going off of REDD and 67s in general, not that I've heard the reissue 67 obviously).
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2018 20:08:45 GMT -6
Love that, thanks for posting monkeyxx. I'm not shocked the whole attitude of gratitude they have translates into such high quality equipment.
I agree Ragan. Where I'm most curious is that since the vintage U67 I used in my high end mic shootout was the best fit for my voice, comparing the Chandler side by side would be the obvious thing to try, to see which one's the better sound for me.
The Chandler was the first mic I've heard since that was as big and full as the vintage 67, even though there are clear differences. The REDD is more forward even though it's as big or even bigger than the 67, and it's top is more extended.
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Post by Ward on Jan 24, 2018 20:15:57 GMT -6
What an awesome video!! spock has a great boss.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 25, 2018 9:17:14 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 25, 2018 11:02:56 GMT -6
I got it finished today! It's a little long, but enjoy.
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Post by clumsycongregation on Jan 25, 2018 12:02:10 GMT -6
I got it finished today! It's a little long, but enjoy. Thanks for sharing! You have a wonderful voice, sir. I found that I preferred the U87 no the crooning. Something about the kids being more pronounced. The REDD, however, was preferred on the operatic sample.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 25, 2018 13:00:00 GMT -6
No doubt the 87AI is a great mic, but I prefer the fuller sound of the REDD.
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Post by keymod on Jan 26, 2018 7:25:03 GMT -6
I just watched this video and it gave me a pretty immediate respect for Wade and Chandler Limited... unless I strike gold, a UAD plugin is as probably as close as I'm going to get, haha. I enjoyed watching this as well. It's nice to see good people realizing their dreams. And it's great that Chandler is making jobs for local people. His operation reminds me a lot of Redco Audio's.
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