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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 24, 2017 9:51:24 GMT -6
I say we all pitch in for the Redd and we can take turns using it! Every week just ship it back and forth! That way we all have it and can use it! ^^^^^ YES! I’ve got a hole in my kick drum that will fit it perfectly! I have an elephant in my backyard with a serious case of flatulence! Why not mic that shit up! It should be able to capture the workings of the deep inner bowel!
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Post by Guitar on Nov 24, 2017 9:53:47 GMT -6
Yeah my neighbor wants me to record some kid's mud fight... I'm sure the REDD mic would capture it perfectly.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 24, 2017 10:25:22 GMT -6
Oh the tragedy of the commons....
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Post by donr on Dec 17, 2017 9:34:39 GMT -6
Last month I recorded a cover of a Chris Cornell song called "Only These Words" as a birthday gift for my adult daughter. It's the first thing I'd done using the Chandler REDD mic as the prime source. All vocals, the acoustic guitars and Dean 4 string acoustic bass were recorded with the REDD. Even as all tracks are heavily processed, the song still has a sound. Take a listen.. www.dropbox.com/s/io48ff08himbo5h/OnlyTheseWords-BuckDharma%20copy.mp3?dl=0
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Post by Guitar on Dec 17, 2017 10:18:34 GMT -6
Nailed it!!
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Post by wiz on Dec 17, 2017 15:41:24 GMT -6
Last month I recorded a cover of a Chris Cornell song called "Only These Words" as a birthday gift for my adult daughter. It's the first thing I'd done using the Chandler REDD mic as the prime source. All vocals, the acoustic guitars and Dean 4 string acoustic bass were recorded with the REDD. Even as all tracks are heavily processed, the song still has a sound. Take a listen.. www.dropbox.com/s/io48ff08himbo5h/OnlyTheseWords-BuckDharma%20copy.mp3?dl=0Thats really cool.. bet your daughter loved it... I really dig the strength of the vocal tone.. and just love the stacked harmonies. No sibilance. Did you have to do any de easing? The REDD sounds like a wonderful mic cheers Wiz
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Post by electricave102 on Dec 17, 2017 22:11:33 GMT -6
Tried the Chandler REDD a month or so back Initially used it to record solo cello. Quite nice but didn't knock me out. I have other mics that work better for me. Eg. Coles 4038, Sony C37A, U47.....even Fet 47 ( sometimes). Then tried it on female vocal. Once again....not bad but didn't like the top end texture. A bit grainy, not in the same league as a great U47 or a good 251. This seems to be a common problem with all the modern condensers that I've tried. Overall.....not for me. Anybody out there know of any modern condensers that don't fold under high voc levels, don't bark at you in the upper mids and have an always silky top end ??
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 17, 2017 22:17:01 GMT -6
I loved the Chandler, but I think you'd do well to try the Bock 251. This is long, so grab a cup of coffee,I think it's worth the time.
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Post by electricave102 on Dec 17, 2017 23:30:35 GMT -6
Thanks Martin John Butler. Will do. Currently auditioning a second hand Telefunken USA ElaM 251 F. Kinda nice but not in the same league as a good version of the real thing. Thinking perhaps buying and sending to Shannon Roade for tune up and or capsule upgrade. Your thoughts ?
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Post by ericn on Dec 18, 2017 7:39:40 GMT -6
Thanks Martin John Butler. Will do. Currently auditioning a second hand Telefunken USA ElaM 251 F. Kinda nice but not in the same league as a good version of the real thing. Thinking perhaps buying and sending to Shannon Roade for tune up and or capsule upgrade. Your thoughts ? Can't go wrong sending it to Shannon for a tune to me!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 18, 2017 9:46:05 GMT -6
Shannon can clean that dog right up, but the Bock is a plug and play thing. Pricey, but it'll probably get you where you want to go.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 18, 2017 19:58:00 GMT -6
Tried the Chandler REDD a month or so back Initially used it to record solo cello. Quite nice but didn't knock me out. I have other mics that work better for me. Eg. Coles 4038, Sony C37A, U47.....even Fet 47 ( sometimes). Then tried it on female vocal. Once again....not bad but didn't like the top end texture. A bit grainy, not in the same league as a great U47 or a good 251. This seems to be a common problem with all the modern condensers that I've tried. Overall.....not for me. Anybody out there know of any modern condensers that don't fold under high voc levels, don't bark at you in the upper mids and have an always silky top end ?? I thought the Chandler was supposed to be "in the same league" or "world class" or "insert hyperbole here"? I'm mainly being rhetorical. Critisisms of the REDD mic are few and far between. I've got an Upton 251 and a REDD sitting here. I wouldn't describe the REDD as grainy. Clarity is what comes to my mind. I had a Bock 251 a while back. Excellent mic. I miss it. Sold it to fund Shannons 251 build.
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Post by ragan on Dec 18, 2017 20:05:44 GMT -6
Tried the Chandler REDD a month or so back Initially used it to record solo cello. Quite nice but didn't knock me out. I have other mics that work better for me. Eg. Coles 4038, Sony C37A, U47.....even Fet 47 ( sometimes). Then tried it on female vocal. Once again....not bad but didn't like the top end texture. A bit grainy, not in the same league as a great U47 or a good 251. This seems to be a common problem with all the modern condensers that I've tried. Overall.....not for me. Anybody out there know of any modern condensers that don't fold under high voc levels, don't bark at you in the upper mids and have an always silky top end ?? I thought the Chandler was supposed to be "in the same league" or "world class" or "insert hyperbole here"? I'm mainly being rhetorical. Critisisms of the REDD mic are few and far between. I've got an Upton 251 and a REDD sitting here. I wouldn't describe the REDD as grainy. Clarity is what comes to my mind. I had a Bock 251 a while back. Excellent mic. I miss it. Sold it to fund Shannons 251 build. I didn’t know you had either of those mics. Thoughts???
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 18, 2017 20:09:08 GMT -6
I've used all the holy grail classic vintage mics at one time or another. The Redd is definitely in that class. Is it the right fit for everyone, of course not.
If you want the most versatile all around mic in history, then get a vintage U87 and stop worrying about mics. If you want your personal holy grail mic, then you have to try a lot of them. Vincent recently went through a dozen high end mics to eventually find the FLEA 49 was the best for his voice.
I'm most compatible with a U67. The Redd trounced the wonderful IO 67 on my voice, and I would be thrilled to have the IO 67, it's the best non vintage Neumann I've heard. Would the REDD best a vintage U67? Well, I'd have to have them in the same room but I know it would be a close call. I'd probably choose the REDD because the Drive option is really something special. When Drive is the right choice for a track, there's no other mic that can do that.
Hmm.. it' snowing at Real Gearland !
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 18, 2017 20:12:43 GMT -6
I've used all the holy grail classic vintage mics at one time or another. The Redd is definitely in that class. Is it the right fit for everyone, of course not. If you want the most versatile all around mic in history, then get a vintage U87 and stop worrying about mics. If you want your personal holy grail mic, then you have to try a lot of them. Vincent recently went through a dozen high end mics to eventually find the FLEA 49 was the best for his voice. I'm most compatible with a U67. The Redd trounced the wonderful IO 67 on my voice, and I would be thrilled to have the IO 67, it's the best non vintage Neumann I've heard. Would the REDD best a vintage U67? Well, I'd have to have them in the same room but I know it would be a close call. I'd probably choose the REDD because the Drive option is really something special. When Drive is the right choice for a track, there's no other mic that can do that. Hmm.. it' snowing at Real Gearland ! Ah, "holy grail". That's the other hyperbolic phrase I was trying to remember.
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Post by donr on Dec 18, 2017 21:16:11 GMT -6
Last month I recorded a cover of a Chris Cornell song called "Only These Words" as a birthday gift for my adult daughter. It's the first thing I'd done using the Chandler REDD mic as the prime source. No sibilance. Did you have to do any de easing? The REDD sounds like a wonderful mic cheers Wiz I did a lot of incremental EQ's and compressing along the way. I used Waves' de-esser as the top end built up but still wasn't happy with the vocal texture. Then I sent the vocal comp track out to the Zulu and back, and it sounded managable. I tweaked more ITB after that. My impression of the REDD is, it takes post processing better than lesser mics I have.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 18, 2017 22:11:37 GMT -6
Well indiehouse, considering the lengths of time, research and effort many of us here have made over years and years, trying to find the one mic that suits us best, and considering they usually cost from $5,000 -$18,000, I'd say searching for our "holy grail" is more like an accurate description than hype.
Think of all mic builds, modding, buying, selling, making demos, manufacturers claims, clone makers, shootouts, trading and deep research, reading ads everywhere, posting videos, more research and endless discussions of minutia, all in pursuit of The One. Does it exist, many of us have given up, but some have reached their goal, I think.
Just ask Johnken, he knows all about it ;-)
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Post by ragan on Dec 18, 2017 22:50:25 GMT -6
Last month I recorded a cover of a Chris Cornell song called "Only These Words" as a birthday gift for my adult daughter. It's the first thing I'd done using the Chandler REDD mic as the prime source. All vocals, the acoustic guitars and Dean 4 string acoustic bass were recorded with the REDD. Even as all tracks are heavily processed, the song still has a sound. Take a listen.. www.dropbox.com/s/io48ff08himbo5h/OnlyTheseWords-BuckDharma%20copy.mp3?dl=0That was really enjoyable, Don. I'm sure your daughter loves it. I think that mic is pretty much perfect on your voice. Whatever the combo of its inherent sound and what you're doing to it, the result is really inviting and natural sounding. Great conveyance of feeling, which is the whole thing, right? Thanks for sharing.
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Post by aremos on Dec 18, 2017 22:54:18 GMT -6
I've got an Upton 251 and a REDD sitting here. I wouldn't describe the REDD as grainy. Clarity is what comes to my mind. I had a Bock 251 a while back. Excellent mic. I miss it. Sold it to fund Shannons 251 build. So, Bock 251, Upton 251 & Chandler REDD? Can you describe them in relation to each other? Understand you don't have the Bock now but per your memory & maybe having a/b'd the Upton & Chandler, can you tell us something?
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Post by Ward on Dec 19, 2017 7:28:48 GMT -6
No sibilance. Did you have to do any de easing? The REDD sounds like a wonderful mic cheers Wiz I did a lot of incremental EQ's and compressing along the way. I used Waves' de-esser as the top end built up but still wasn't happy with the vocal texture. Then I sent the vocal comp track out to the Zulu and back, and it sounded managable. I tweaked more ITB after that. My impression of the REDD is, it takes post processing better than lesser mics I have. That was beautiful! The performance and the recording.
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 19, 2017 10:12:33 GMT -6
Bock 251 does it for me! Interested in the Redd47.
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Post by adamjbrass on Dec 19, 2017 10:21:11 GMT -6
Tried the Chandler REDD a month or so back Initially used it to record solo cello. Quite nice but didn't knock me out. I have other mics that work better for me. Eg. Coles 4038, Sony C37A, U47.....even Fet 47 ( sometimes). Then tried it on female vocal. Once again....not bad but didn't like the top end texture. A bit grainy, not in the same league as a great U47 or a good 251. This seems to be a common problem with all the modern condensers that I've tried. Overall.....not for me. Anybody out there know of any modern condensers that don't fold under high voc levels, don't bark at you in the upper mids and have an always silky top end ?? Try the Josephson C-715 sometime
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 19, 2017 10:35:24 GMT -6
Tried the Chandler REDD a month or so back Initially used it to record solo cello. Quite nice but didn't knock me out. I have other mics that work better for me. Eg. Coles 4038, Sony C37A, U47.....even Fet 47 ( sometimes). Then tried it on female vocal. Once again....not bad but didn't like the top end texture. A bit grainy, not in the same league as a great U47 or a good 251. This seems to be a common problem with all the modern condensers that I've tried. Overall.....not for me. Anybody out there know of any modern condensers that don't fold under high voc levels, don't bark at you in the upper mids and have an always silky top end ?? I don't know if I'd call it grainy. I think my feeling was beefy. When my wife and I sang into it we push it due to the size of our voices. I know they meant for the mic to be used at 2-3ft, however if I start putting the mic 3 ft away you get a ton of room. My room is fairly tame, but not "nice" sounding. I'd say it's acceptable. I think it just depends what you're looking for in a mic. Heck, on Cello a U87 is really nice.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 19, 2017 10:59:46 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 19, 2017 15:12:43 GMT -6
Ha! ragan aremos I'm still parsing out my thoughts. I threw up the Upton, the REDD and my MKU67. The short version, I want both! The REDD has this laser top end to it. Clarity but not harsh. It's actually a warm sounding mic. Very big and round sounding. I think there's some beefy-ness going on down around 1-300? I don't know. It just sounds really full down there. And then the diamond top end. There are a lot of tones with the low contour and drive. The drive is cool. It gives the mic some attitude/character. The REDD does like a bit of distance, but it's workable up close. It's just that that tubby bottom gets a bit much with proximity. I think that's why people say it likes room. The proximity gets to be too much. But even at a distance, there is still closeness to it. It definitely draws in the source. By contrast, the REDD feels more linear compared to the Upton. The Upton wins for me in the sexy looks department. I don't know why, but I find the Upton way more vibey. There's something going on in the presence frequency range, you know that 1-4khz range that makes things cut through the mix. It doesn't have the bottom of the REDD. In fact, compared to the REDD, the Upton feels rolled off. But, I think I'd be rolling off the huge bottom of the REDD anyways. To me, the top of the Upton is way more smooth. Maybe smeared? But in a good way. Words like velvet and chocolate come to mind, even though I know those are ridiculous descriptors. It's not veiled, but not diamond clear like the REDD. And of course, it's got a bit of air as well. Switching back to the REDD makes me reach for a low/low-mid cut. That full low end feels almost like it's masking, but once I become accustomed to it, it doesn't feel that way anymore. The top end balances it out. Switching back to the Upton makes me want to reach for a mid cut, something honky going on. But maybe it's that honky thing that makes a vocal cut through the mix. The Upton has a colored reedy thing going on, which the REDD does not. I can kind of get it with the drive mode on the REDD, but it's still not the same. I do hear the Upton as being scooped (somewhere in the 700 range? That right?) where the REDD is not. But I think it's scooped in the right place, as it's flattering. The MKU67 is a really different beast. Smaller sounding (or maybe more focused sounding), all mids. In fact, without an EQ, I'd sell that mic in a flash. It's substantially better with a high boost/shelf. Markedly different than the REDD or Upton. I would say almost the opposite sounding of these mics. The Upton has a bit of noise going on with it. That white hiss sound, which is a bummer, cause it only gets worse paired with my Tab-Funkenwerk V72S. Also, the yolk doesn't thread my heavy duty Latch Lake 1100's. Huge let down. Not a fan of the shock mount for the REDD. Feels like cheap pot metal to me. The latches are a bit of a pain to get to, and the shock mount droops on me. There is still quite a bit of play, even with the mount fully tightened. It makes it hard to accurately position the mic. Speaking of, I find positioning easier with the REDD's shockmount than the Uptons Yolk. To be clear, I don't find the REDD to be a bright mic. In fact, I would say it's on the warmer side. It's the top end clarity of the mic that provides an interesting balance and keeps it way out of the 'dark' category. When I think of brightness, I'm thinking 2-8khz. The REDD feels more linear in that region, where I feel the Upton has some sort of push in that region. The air is different between these two mics. The Bock had more extended lows and highs. It was an expensive sounding mic, for sure. It's hard for me to compare, because I don't have the supernatural aural memory. I do have a sound file I recorded that I might pull up to compare. But I remember the Bock having an extended low end reach. Different than the beefy low end of the REDD, just more linear and lower. Honestly, I probably should have kept the Bock, but I thought I was chasing something at the time that turned out to be not what I had thought. I feel like I should keep the Chandler because of all the people raving about it. And make no mistake, it's a dandy. I feel the Upton has more vibe, more color. I feel it flatters more. The REDD is more versatile, though. I can dial in different sounds, and when you put it in a chain with an RS124, Great River EQ-2NV for some mid-bite and low end cut, and into a Zulu to mellow it out the top a bit, man oh man. With the Upton, you can't add in what isn't there, and I'm mainly talking about how it feels rolled off in the low end. Not that it's a bad thing, of course. I tend to cut a lot of lows, anyways. For me, the Upton is the sweeter sounding mic. It just feels more flattering. But is that a good thing? I suppose the answer is it's source dependent. But I don't have very deep pockets. So, it's gotta be one mic to rule them all (along with some other, less expensive options as well.) I got a good discount on the REDD, along with financing (I know, I know...I'm bad), which works out to less than a hundred a month. I got a major deal on the Upton, but with no financing. Not that that's here or there, but it's easier to swallow a hundo a month than to plop down a large chunk of my savings. The REDD is a mic that needs learned. And I've got much yet to learn about it. I do know one thing, though. My room SUCKS. I've put up with it since I moved a couple of years ago, and have plans for a new build, but it's such a giant task. These mics need good rooms to shine. Maybe the answer for me is neither. Maybe the answer is to suck it up and build a proper room. But mics are way more fun... p.s. I think paulcheeba has 2 of these REDD's among a stellar mic collection, so he may have some useful insights as well.
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