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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 13:10:59 GMT -6
Are they still making the Mouse? Always loved that one on looks alone...
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 15, 2017 19:07:09 GMT -6
Are they still making the Mouse? Always loved that one on looks alone... The mouse, yes. The omnimouse, no. I wish they still made the omnimouse. I could use two.
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Post by Ward on Jul 16, 2017 6:53:20 GMT -6
Well, that's done. Slate VMS is sold, among other things. Purchased a used BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage 1 Mic Locker package. Now I'll have the Bottle Rocket Stage 1 & 2, plus B0, B6, B7, (2) B8s, and I am receiving a free B4 (M50 SDC Sphere Cap) free with rebate from my Stage 2 purchase. I have a feeling these will do me better than the Slate VMS. I'll let everyone know more once I have it. Going to put up the Stage II verses some of my other clones once it arrives, since I have most of these types of mics covered CM251:B0, CM12LE:B6, CM67LE & MK U67M:B8 (both in bright mode), CM49:B7. B7 should be a bit more U47ish than M49, but we'll see. Maybe I'll make another video. Actually really looking forward to hearing the B6 and B0 on my wife's voice. Good choice. The Slate VMS is a brilliant concept but not one that is embraced by professionals who want to make hard decisions with solid equipment, full of idiosyncrasies and firm results.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 16, 2017 12:12:07 GMT -6
I just don't think the emulations were up to snuff on my big voice. They did fine on more pop styled, smaller voices, but not on my larger voice and not when compared to real mics. I liked the 800M and 12 the best. The 269 was also nice. The U67 was a modded U67 and was ok. The 251 was lacking in the low end, as was the 47. It just wasn't for me. If I were a newbie looking to make a jump from my budget mic, this would have been a huge leap. Anyway, the system should be here by 7/21. Looking forward to hearing the Stage 1 vs Stage 2 and the different caps.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2017 15:53:57 GMT -6
Now you'll have to bring the Bottle Rocket along with the other mics when we get together ;-)
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 17, 2017 4:55:40 GMT -6
Yeah, but what is? The M50 sets the bar, is the benchmark by which all others are measured in this application. Just how close is a bottle rocket with a B4 to an actual M50? I have no idea how well the B4 compares to the M50 but I do have a Blue Bottle with a B4 and that Omni capsule is stunning. The crown jewel of the Blue Capsules I think. If anyone is interested though I will be selling off my Latvian Blue Bottle with 5 caps soon. Gonna get the Chandler REDD mic. The B4 Omni cap will be the thing I'll miss most about the BLUE I'd be interested, but probably won't have the funds. Thanks for the note about the B4, maybe I can convince you to sell that to me separately when you are ready. My goal at the moment is to make a Decca Tree with two Stage 1s and a Stage 2 and I'll need two more B4s. What other caps do you have? What are your thoughts on them
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Post by ericn on Jul 17, 2017 7:38:51 GMT -6
I have no idea how well the B4 compares to the M50 but I do have a Blue Bottle with a B4 and that Omni capsule is stunning. The crown jewel of the Blue Capsules I think. If anyone is interested though I will be selling off my Latvian Blue Bottle with 5 caps soon. Gonna get the Chandler REDD mic. The B4 Omni cap will be the thing I'll miss most about the BLUE I'd be interested, but probably won't have the funds. Thanks for the note about the B4, maybe I can convince you to sell that to me separately when you are ready. My goal at the moment is to make a Decca Tree with two Stage 1s and a Stage 2 and I'll need two more B4s. What other caps do you have? What are your thoughts on them If you are patient many of the blue Capsules pop up on sites like Guitarcenter Used & Musicgoround. If you take the risk of waiting they useally get discounted.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 17, 2017 10:37:01 GMT -6
Going to be patient until I'm ready to start recording the album. lol.
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Post by drsax on Jul 17, 2017 11:30:13 GMT -6
I have no idea how well the B4 compares to the M50 but I do have a Blue Bottle with a B4 and that Omni capsule is stunning. The crown jewel of the Blue Capsules I think. If anyone is interested though I will be selling off my Latvian Blue Bottle with 5 caps soon. Gonna get the Chandler REDD mic. The B4 Omni cap will be the thing I'll miss most about the BLUE I'd be interested, but probably won't have the funds. Thanks for the note about the B4, maybe I can convince you to sell that to me separately when you are ready. My goal at the moment is to make a Decca Tree with two Stage 1s and a Stage 2 and I'll need two more B4s. What other caps do you have? What are your thoughts on them I have the B0, B4, B6, B7 and B8. Man, they are all real useful. And it depends on what you are micing. On the right voice the B0 is sweet. The B6 is generally a goto for female vocalists and the B4 on a group of background vocalists is jaw dropping. B7 is quite dark which can be useful on certain things, and the B8 is very natural in a flattering way.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 17, 2017 16:44:17 GMT -6
I have the B0, B4, B6, B7 and B8. Man, they are all real useful. And it depends on what you are micing. On the right voice the B0 is sweet. The B6 is generally a goto for female vocalists and the B4 on a group of background vocalists is jaw dropping. B7 is quite dark which can be useful on certain things, and the B8 is very natural in a flattering way. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to hearing my wife with the B6. I've played with a Kiwi which has the same Capsule. I have a feeling she's going to sound dynamite on it. Looking forward to hearing the B0 vs my AA CM251. I'm curious how similar they are. The B7 I expected to be a bit dark cause it's based on an M7. Looking forward to hearing it and maybe getting it in front of an upright bass. We'll see. As for the B4, planning on getting 2 more and throwing them up in a Decca Tree array in front of a small string and brass/wood winds section for my next album.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 18, 2017 12:49:00 GMT -6
Well, that B4 certainly has great reach. Put it up in the studio quickly, not that my room is the right environment for it, but 6 feet back and 3 feet above my head (I was sitting) was this clear and warm signal coming through my cans. Looking forward to doing some real work with this in a nice room.
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Post by drsax on Jul 18, 2017 18:24:44 GMT -6
Well, that B4 certainly has great reach. Put it up in the studio quickly, not that my room is the right environment for it, but 6 feet back and 3 feet above my head (I was sitting) was this clear and warm signal coming through my cans. Looking forward to doing some real work with this in a nice room. Yeah, the B4 is a gem
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 20, 2017 18:31:50 GMT -6
Received my BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage I Microphone Locker set today. I only had a chance to do some brief testing. I'm glad I picked up the Stage II as well. The Stage I is a little sterile, but it will still suit my purposes. I really like the B7 Cap. It sits somewhere between my Advanced Audio CM49 in supercardioid 1 (which is how I've been using it lately) and my friend's Flea 47. I must be backward. drsax said the B7 was dark, but in my mind the B0, B6, and B8 are all bright. Lol.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 21, 2017 10:42:28 GMT -6
Got to play with this system a lot last night. I am very happy with my decision.
We'll start with the B7 as I'm more a vintage Neumann mic guy to begin with. The B7 has a top end like the Wagner U47W I tried a while back, but a low end more similar to the Flea 47 I just used. It's cleaner sounding and some of the saturation elements are not there, but it sounds great. Perfect for when I would want to grab a U47. I have a basso friend coming in to record a few songs in November. I can't wait to hear him on this.
The B6 is the same cap as the Kiwi and similar to my feelings about that mic, I feel it just sounds better through a tube preamp, at least on my voice. It sounds a bit like my Advanced Audio CM12le in the standard mode, not my custom vintage mode which Dave made for me. That is a slightly darker sound. I'm curious to hear my wife on this mic.
The B8, as I've said before sounds like my MK U67 in modded mode. It's also similar to my CM67LE in standard mode, but the CM67LE has more grit in the mids. I'm actually curious how this would sound as a spot mic on piano.
The B0 was a surprise. It is a little clearer than my CM251, but they are both definitely in the same ball park. It really is their presence vocal Cap. Vocals were bright, in your face, and cut through the mix beautifully and also has an even low end. I have a feeling my wife's and sister's voices will both sound awesome through this....if I can convince my sister not to use my CM49 which she loves on her voice. My brother is also a really good R&B singer. We were using Slate's FG800M. I'm curious to hear him on this one.
All in all the system is cleaner sounding than my tribute mics, but not in a bad way. It's transformerless with a tube stage, so you would imagine a little less color. Ultimately all the Caps are very 3 dimensional. Comparing the Stage I and Stage II I find myself really sad they got rid of the Stage II. It really imparts something nice on the Caps. The Stage I sounds harsh and sterile in comparison. I used the UAD 610A to combat that and then the mic really started to sound good. I'll have to play around with my various tube pres and Unison pres and see what really helps works best. I have a feeling the Stage II isn't going to be leaving the mic stand very soon.
I'm reworking a video series I had started last month and will do some comparisons between these and tribute mics emulating the same microphones.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 27, 2017 12:16:10 GMT -6
drsax, question for you. How does the Big Bottle handle high SPL? I've been having a little issue with the Bottle Rocket Stage 2. It keeps peaking when I'm singing into it. In fact, the whole mic is just really hot. It's got the hottest signal of any of my mics. Even at a low gain it keeps distorting when I get loud. Considering I can put out 110 db at 18" away, this is a little bit of a problem. It happens less when I use an actual preamp instead of the Apollo Built in pres. It also works better with the pad engaged on the Apollo. I was just wondering if you had any issues like this. Also open to any suggestions from anyone who has some insite here. The manual says this mic should take about 130 db.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 27, 2017 13:59:43 GMT -6
drsax , question for you. How does the Big Bottle handle high SPL? I've been having a little issue with the Bottle Rocket Stage 2. It keeps peaking when I'm singing into it. In fact, the whole mic is just really hot. It's got the hottest signal of any of my mics. Even at a low gain it keeps distorting when I get loud. Considering I can put out 110 db at 18" away, this is a little bit of a problem. It happens less when I use an actual preamp instead of the Apollo Built in pres. It also works better with the pad engaged on the Apollo. I was just wondering if you had any issues like this. Also open to any suggestions from anyone who has some insite here. The manual says this mic should take about 130 db. I would suggest a simple XLR inline pad It sounds like the mic is giving what you're putting out, and the preamps downstream can't handle the level. -18 dB or so would probably work, you might even want -24 but not if there's a lot of soft spots in the vocal arrangement maybe. I buy mine from this store: naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/mpd-inline-attenuator-2/I have a friend with severe volume output issues, anything he gets his hand on sounds like a 747 taking off, he needed a few of these just to even be able to track. I used to use mine on drum mics, a lot, with specific mic pres such as API that run super hot. It's the exact opposite of the CloudLifter-requiring problem
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 27, 2017 18:02:55 GMT -6
Guitar, this is definitely worthy a shot.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 27, 2017 23:36:55 GMT -6
Hope you wear plugs when you are belting 110db SPL that's extremely loud, louder than most studio monitors go that's almost as loud as being around a plane taking off ...
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Post by Ward on Jul 28, 2017 5:17:00 GMT -6
Hope you wear plugs when you are belting 110db SPL that's extremely loud, louder than most studio monitors go that's almost as loud as being around a plane taking off ... My old 'opera' singing teacher could sing about that loud. I had to plug my ears... I asked him how he could stand it. He said his ears closed off naturally with the pressure inside his head and throat. I mean, sure, I guess so... seems to make sense.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 28, 2017 6:28:08 GMT -6
Guitar , thanks. I ordered an 18db and 24db. I figure it can't hurt to have both. Considering many of my friends who record here have equally big voices, if this solves the issue it will be a good investment. ChaseUTB , it doesn't seem to affect me, just the people in the room with me. Luckily I usually share the stage with other singers like me. My wife's voice is a bit bigger than mine, although it may just be those bright soprano frequencies. The hardest adjustment to recording opera from pop, which is where I started, is that it can be difficult to get a good mix in your cans where you can still here the recorded tracks and your voice. If I one ear it I can get pitchy, because it becomes hard to hear the prerecorded tracks. I have a tendency to sing on top off notes, which can quickly turn a high C into a C# if you can't hear the mix right in your cans. Actually as Ward said, this is quite common for opera singers. In fact, my voice is considered a medium sized voice in the world of opera. I have friends who probably near the 120db range, including one of my teachers. It's not fun being in a small practice room with a voice like that, let me tell you. It's how we sing over an orchestra without microphones.
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Post by drsax on Jul 28, 2017 18:10:21 GMT -6
drsax, question for you. How does the Big Bottle handle high SPL? I've been having a little issue with the Bottle Rocket Stage 2. It keeps peaking when I'm singing into it. In fact, the whole mic is just really hot. It's got the hottest signal of any of my mics. Even at a low gain it keeps distorting when I get loud. Considering I can put out 110 db at 18" away, this is a little bit of a problem. It happens less when I use an actual preamp instead of the Apollo Built in pres. It also works better with the pad engaged on the Apollo. I was just wondering if you had any issues like this. Also open to any suggestions from anyone who has some insite here. The manual says this mic should take about 130 db. I haven't had any issues with high SPL on the Big Bottle, but at the levels you're talking about I'd agree with the suggestion by Guitar about trying an inline pad
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 5, 2017 10:03:10 GMT -6
Yay for inline pads! That definitely did the trick, even with just the -18db. I may use the -24db when my opera singer friends, my wife, or I do vocals just in case.
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