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Post by drbill on Jan 25, 2017 13:39:44 GMT -6
I will confess this is the first product I've seen, that might finally after all these years, get me to take on some 500 series. I have always preferred rack mount gear. Still want a Silver Bullet too however. Very nice Brad. DO IT!!!!! The Chroma is not a Silver Bullet, and vice versa. There is room for both in your production chains. Actually, for me, there's room for many, many of them. I won't rest until I have 5-6 Silver Bullets (almost there), and probably 10 Chroma's....
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Post by drbill on Jan 25, 2017 13:41:09 GMT -6
Bravo Brad & Bill. This is way cool! Thanks drsax and everyone else above for the kind words. And for the support. Much appreciated by both Brad & myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 13:42:14 GMT -6
I will confess this is the first product I've seen, that might finally after all these years, get me to take on some 500 series. I have always preferred rack mount gear. Still want a Silver Bullet too however. Very nice Brad. DO IT!!!!! The Chroma is not a Silver Bullet, and vice versa. There is room for both in your production chains. Actually, for me, there's room for many, many of them. I won't rest until I have 5-6 Silver Bullets (almost there), and probably 10 Chroma's.... lol, just been perusing 500 series rack prices too .... ps how hard is it to add these colour modules?
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Post by drbill on Jan 25, 2017 14:09:36 GMT -6
DO IT!!!!! The Chroma is not a Silver Bullet, and vice versa. There is room for both in your production chains. Actually, for me, there's room for many, many of them. I won't rest until I have 5-6 Silver Bullets (almost there), and probably 10 Chroma's.... lol, just been perusing 500 series rack prices too .... ps how hard is it to add these colour modules? Simple. If the Chroma is out of the rack and in your hands - 10-15 seconds. They just pop in. The modules mentioned from LouderThanLiftoff are pre made, ready to rock. There are also DIY modules available from other companies that require soldering if that's your thing....
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Post by BradM on Jan 25, 2017 15:03:00 GMT -6
spud This video shows how easy it is to install a module. Thanks for all nice words, everybody! scumbum - I love the Homer Simpson car analogy. I'll take it! Brad
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Post by scumbum on Jan 25, 2017 15:05:38 GMT -6
I will confess this is the first product I've seen, that might finally after all these years, get me to take on some 500 series. I have always preferred rack mount gear. Still want a Silver Bullet too however. Very nice Brad. For me this is the first product that I might finally after all these years buy ....... a pre-built mic pre for $599 ! Once you go DIY and can build CAPI mic pres for $220 , buying a pre-built mic pre for $600 was not gonna happen , because for that same price I could get 3 mic pres . But with CHROMA I feel the $599 price tag for what it does a good deal and worth it . Imagine a color module with a vocal and bass comp setting and then switch it to Neve , then a different color module for drum comp settings and switch it to API .
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Post by BradM on Jan 25, 2017 15:27:27 GMT -6
For me this is the first product that I might finally after all these years buy ....... a pre-built mic pre for $599 ! Once you go DIY and can build CAPI mic pres for $220 , buying a pre-built mic pre for $600 was not gonna happen , because for that same price I could get 3 mic pres . But with CHROMA I feel the $599 price tag for what it does a good deal and worth it . Imagine a color module with a vocal and bass comp setting and then switch it to Neve , then a different color module for drum comp settings and switch it to API . I'm honored that you would consider my product in place of DIY'ing something. Let's face it - nobody in their right mind would ever want to hand solder 200+ SMT components. That would be torture. Someone on the purple site asked me if I could release a DIY version. A product like Chroma could never happen with all through hole construction. There's just way too many parts. Between me and you, I was kind of sweating (baby) bullets as we were doing the layout. I wasn't sure it was all going to fit. But it did! Phew. I guess someone could always just take off the knobs and faceplate and reassemble and call that DIY. You have the right idea! By the way, Implode, which is my 1176 module, has jumpers for both 4:1 and all-buttons-in ratios. So you could do exactly that. Set it for 4:1 for vocals/bass, and then pop it out, move some jumpers, and have it set up for drum smashing. Jon Erickson's Toneloc module is really great for that stuff too...it's a Shure Level-loc clone for Colour. I've also got some other new modules in the works that I really think are going to blow people's minds....stuff most folks just would never imagine for a tiny format like Colour. 2017 is going to be a good year. Brad
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 25, 2017 17:43:29 GMT -6
Haven't been on here in awhile. But this really is. And all this time it was right there in front of our face. lol. Kudos to Brad and Bill.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 25, 2017 21:59:45 GMT -6
Haven't been on here in awhile. But this really is. And all this time it was right there in front of our face. lol. Kudos to Brad and Bill. Where you been?
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Post by kilroyrock on Jan 25, 2017 22:23:56 GMT -6
Holy shit
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 26, 2017 7:47:34 GMT -6
Haven't been on here in awhile. But this really is. And all this time it was right there in front of our face. lol. Kudos to Brad and Bill. Where you been? Busy as a one armed wallpaper hanger down here in Carolina starting this new job. Sorry I haven't been around more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 10:46:15 GMT -6
spud This video shows how easy it is to install a module. Brad Thanks Brad - about my level of electronics. Really cool
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Post by drbill on Jan 26, 2017 11:16:01 GMT -6
Two of my faves made this guys top 3 NAMM 2017 pics...... My fave is at the 5:00 mark.
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Post by BradM on Jan 26, 2017 11:57:12 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Jan 26, 2017 18:21:20 GMT -6
DO IT!!!!! The Chroma is not a Silver Bullet, and vice versa. There is room for both in your production chains. Actually, for me, there's room for many, many of them. I won't rest until I have 5-6 Silver Bullets (almost there), and probably 10 Chroma's.... lol, just been perusing 500 series rack prices too .... ps how hard is it to add these colour modules? Playing with some of the new (to me anyways) Analog plugins today. Having a lot of fun. Cool stuff.
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Post by BradM on Jan 27, 2017 13:16:18 GMT -6
Hey all,
I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on something. Right now phantom power is disabled when in Mix/Line mode (MIC switch out) regardless of whether or not the 48V switch is engaged. Would folks prefer to also have an internal jumper (3-pin header and shunt) to defeat phantom power altogether so that if you are solely using the unit for line level processing there is no chance whatsoever of accidently putting the unit in MIC mode with 48V engaged and frying whatever is upstream, like an A/D converter?
Let me know your thoughts!
thanks, Brad
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Post by ericn on Jan 27, 2017 13:21:42 GMT -6
Hey all, I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on something. Right now phantom power is disabled when in Mix/Line mode (MIC switch out) regardless of whether or not the 48V switch is engaged. Would folks prefer to also have an internal jumper to defeat phantom power altogether so that if you are solely using the unit for line level processing there is no chance whatsoever of accidently putting the unit in MIC mode with 48V engaged and frying whatever is upstream, like an A/D converter? Let me know your thoughts! thanks, Brad I have no preference but all I'm going to say is if you do it, go solderless jumper or your going to limit those who can use the feature!
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Post by drbill on Jan 27, 2017 14:05:11 GMT -6
It would absolutely be solder-LESS. Basically bridging pins 1/2 vs. 2/3 on a tiny jumper header.... At least that's now LTL generally does their jumpers. Brad - I vote yes - if there's any room on that jam packed pcb.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2017 17:04:46 GMT -6
I was told there would be no math
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Post by drbill on Jan 27, 2017 17:27:42 GMT -6
Hahaaa! Blame it on Brad. Try having a phone conversation with him about Electronics sometime.
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Post by BradM on Feb 1, 2017 13:03:26 GMT -6
Hey all, I wanted to share a little information about what makes Chroma so awesome when using it with compressor plugin modules like Implode or the Tonecraft Toneloc (Shure Level-loc clone). I've included a jumper on the board that configures the gain staging of the Colour circuitry specifically for compressor modules. A compressor module like Implode has a fixed threshold (the same as a full-size 1176). You control the amount of gain reduction by driving signal into Implode with the C-DRV knob. In the "normal" setting the C-DRV knob behaves similarly to the DIYRE Colour Palette drive knob, where a signal knob both increases the signal level going into the module and attenuates it on the back end so that unity gain is maintained. This works great on a saturation module like Pentode, but in the case of Implode, you would not only experience gain reduction from the limiting action of Implode, but also from the post module attenuation that happens as you turn the knob. Turning up the compression would give a net decreasing output level. That's no bueno. There is a "boost" jumper setting to solve this problem. This simple tweak means that as you turn up C-DRV you mostly get dynamic range reduction, but without any level loss. Depending on the ratio of the compression you may even get a slight level increase. Any resulting level increase can be easily trimmed using Chromas Output knob. If Implode is set to "IMP" (all-buttons-in) then the result of turning C-DRV is just more limiting/crushing while still maintaining the same output level. A one-knob limiter! Throw this on a drum bus and use the C-MIX to blend in the dry signal and you have instant awesomeness. Here's two pics of what Chroma looks like with the Mass Drivr module and the Implode module installed. You can see the "NORM / BOOST" jumper right below the module. Brad
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Post by scumbum on Feb 2, 2017 0:10:27 GMT -6
"Louder Than Liftoff's "Implode" Colour is not an emulation at all, but an exact replica of the 1176 Rev F amplifier and gain-reduction circuitry pre-set to "All Buttons In" mode. "
Since its not an emulation how close to a Rev F does implode sound ? You can use a 4:1 ratio correct ?
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Post by scumbum on Feb 2, 2017 0:17:04 GMT -6
This is cool !
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Post by BradM on Feb 2, 2017 11:54:45 GMT -6
"Louder Than Liftoff's "Implode" Colour is not an emulation at all, but an exact replica of the 1176 Rev F amplifier and gain-reduction circuitry pre-set to "All Buttons In" mode. " Since its not an emulation how close to a Rev F does implode sound ? You can use a 4:1 ratio correct ? Hi, It actually sounds scary close to a real 1176. I didn't have the luxury of comparing to a Rev. F model, but I can tell you this. When I was first developing Implode I bought myself a UA 1176LN and used it as a sonic reference and a means for developing a calibration procedure that worked. I was hoping to be in the 80% as good territory. After all we are talking about something that is $129 vs. $1500. However, when I started to do the A/B comparisons and really match settings by ear, what I discovered really surprised me. I was able to achieve results that I felt were virtually indistinguishable from the big guy. The compression action was not only in the ball park, but it was nearly spot on. At that point I called it good. By the way, thanks for sharing that link to the DIYRE demo video for Implode. I want to point out that those clips were made with Implode setting to the "All Buttons In" ratio, but I think many of those sounds would be more suited to the 4:1 ratio, which can be set via onboard jumpers. I personally would rather use 4:1 on bass, vocals, and guitars 9 times out of 10. Unfortunately, it seems those clips simply show how Implode sounds when you pull it out of the box, and not how it sounds if you select more musically appropriate settings. Also, it's worth noting there are trimpots onboard that let you adjust attack and release as well. So that begs the question: would you guys like to see me set Implode for 4:1 ratio as the default factory setting? I feel like I only use "all buttons in" for things like parallel drum bus. Brad
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Post by scumbum on Feb 2, 2017 12:41:37 GMT -6
Wow ! Implode makes me want to explode with excitement! Haha ,
You've got some crazy good design ideas . Neve / API / 1176 , all in one unit for the 500 series . That seems like an impossible feat but you pulled it off !
Yes , 4:1 ratio default for sure . Maybe attack to slowest and release to fastest settings as well ?
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