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Post by gouge on Jan 21, 2017 7:22:09 GMT -6
taken from another forum. 414 eb clone Attachments:
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Jan 21, 2017 7:58:49 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 7:58:49 GMT -6
Interesting - price point is not too different from a new XLS - is that because the XLS has a different capsule?
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Jan 21, 2017 8:13:34 GMT -6
Post by gouge on Jan 21, 2017 8:13:34 GMT -6
not sure. I am pretty keen for a pair at some point.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2017 8:39:22 GMT -6
I'm down for 2 too
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Post by terryrocks on Jan 21, 2017 10:23:06 GMT -6
Supposedly a brass capsule 414 clone
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Jan 21, 2017 11:43:15 GMT -6
Ward likes this
Post by jakeharris on Jan 21, 2017 11:43:15 GMT -6
'all brass CK12' i.e. edge terminated K67
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Post by timcampbell on Jan 21, 2017 11:48:27 GMT -6
I'd love to see that capsule. Considering the retail cost of the mic at 499 dollars their capsule would probably wholesale for a little more than a hundred dollars especially since they have custom body work. At that price I doubt that it's a "real" CK12 clone. More likely a variation of 3U's 67/12 hybrid.
If anyone was really interested in a 414 recreation with a real brass capsule they'd buy the MBHO MBNM 608 .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 16:40:02 GMT -6
So, Dudezzz... Saw this on the Warm Audio FB page. Go to just about 36 seconds in. Could this be the WA-414?
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 3, 2017 18:52:38 GMT -6
Per Royce it's based on an older model with a CK12. Per Chad Kelly; "C414 EB, with original all-brass capsule (brass body, brass o-ring, no teflon). EB version was our favorite, it struck the right balance between the dark intimate sound but more detailed and not as veiled as the later teflon-housing era CK12's."
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Apr 10, 2017 11:54:36 GMT -6
Post by m03 on Apr 10, 2017 11:54:36 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2017 11:58:34 GMT -6
一个非常好的麦克风 模仿是奉承的最诚挚的形式?
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Apr 10, 2017 12:12:10 GMT -6
Post by m03 on Apr 10, 2017 12:12:10 GMT -6
Eh, it seems like the modern AKG version is more of an "imitation", whereas in theory this seems to be attempting to address a consumer demand that the "original" company hasn't. Time will tell whether that's actually the case.
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Post by ragan on Apr 10, 2017 12:19:36 GMT -6
Don't mind Ward, he always despises gear made overseas... ...until he hears it.
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2017 12:19:50 GMT -6
Yes, we shall see!
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Apr 10, 2017 12:21:29 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2017 12:21:29 GMT -6
Don't mind Ward, he always despises gear made overseas... ...until he hears it. Umm... Austria and Germany are both overseas. Just don't like cheap knock-offs and fakes where nobody respects anybody else's engineering, work or property and gets away without contributing anything.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:27:03 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Apr 10, 2017 12:27:03 GMT -6
how is creating 1,000's of satisfied customers, who can't afford the originals anyway, not contributing anything ?
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 10, 2017 12:27:57 GMT -6
I posted over at Gearslutz: I got a chance to audition this mic this week. I will say it sounds very good especially for 499 dollars. The capsule however is not any kind of replica of a CK12 and shouldn't be marketed that way. It is a very good sounding edge terminated K67 type similar to a dual sided Teal capsule. There's nothing to be ashamed of about this as I said, it sounded very good. They did not have an AKG 414EB present so I can't tell you how true a recreation sound wise it is. Ward I am in agreement with you on this. When i was approached I asked them not to do it.
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2017 12:28:44 GMT -6
how is creating 1,000's of satisfied customers, who can't afford the originals anyway, not contributing anything ? I get what you're driving at here. Free downloads are great too, because they create thousands of satisfied customers.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:50:31 GMT -6
Post by m03 on Apr 10, 2017 12:50:31 GMT -6
Don't mind Ward , he always despises gear made overseas... ...until he hears it. Umm... Austria and Germany are both overseas. Just don't like cheap knock-offs and fakes where nobody respects anybody else's engineering, work or property and gets away without contributing anything. Isn't that what happens when a company like Harman, Behringer, etc buys a brand name and continues to push cheaper and cheaper versions of designs from 50 years ago, banking purely on the former prestige of the make/model name?
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 10, 2017 12:58:46 GMT -6
I'm not sure anyone would be complaining if Warm Audio bought AKG and produced a 414EB. I know many engineers who work for AKG and Neumann that still earn their living from selling microphones they and their company designed.
There is a reason many older companies made their own designs and a good part of that was pride in their innovation and respect for their competitors.
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2017 13:21:00 GMT -6
and to build on Tim's last point. I don't get the excitement over this just straight ahead cheap cloning and re-release. More along the lines of a general meh might be more in order.
The reissues that are true to the originals are good. The recreations of the originals which are flawless and serve as a bar-raising event to original manufacturers who have lost their way is even better. But the race to the bottom in the clone wars?
I'm just not getting the excitement here. I've heard sone of these clones. And from what I've heard, they're the Emperor's new clothes.
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Apr 10, 2017 13:42:30 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Apr 10, 2017 13:42:30 GMT -6
and to build on Tim's last point. I don't get the excitement over this just straight ahead cheap cloning and re-release. More along the lines of a general meh might be more in order. The reissues that are true to the originals are good. The recreations of the originals which are flawless and serve as a bar-raising event to original manufacturers who have lost their way is even better. But the race to the bottom in the clone wars? I'm just not getting the excitement here. I've heard sone of these clones. And from what I've heard, they're the Emperor's new clothes. It's crowded at the top and original designs are a hard sell. Easier to try and recreate the classics everybody wants.
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2017 13:45:37 GMT -6
and to build on Tim's last point. I don't get the excitement over this just straight ahead cheap cloning and re-release. More along the lines of a general meh might be more in order. The reissues that are true to the originals are good. The recreations of the originals which are flawless and serve as a bar-raising event to original manufacturers who have lost their way is even better. But the race to the bottom in the clone wars? I'm just not getting the excitement here. I've heard sone of these clones. And from what I've heard, they're the Emperor's new clothes. It's crowded at the top and original designs are a hard sell. Easier to try and recreate the classics everybody wants. FAIR POINT. I'm just tired of all the worshipping of carbon copiers. Ok, pseudo carbon copiers who take lots of shortcuts and make false claims. How's that?
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Apr 10, 2017 14:00:23 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Apr 10, 2017 14:00:23 GMT -6
how is creating 1,000's of satisfied customers, who can't afford the originals anyway, not contributing anything ? I get what you're driving at here. Free downloads are great too, because they create thousands of satisfied customers. Stealing software without paying for it is one thing and this is not what we are talking about. Legally making a clone of a product that does not infringe on a copy write and legally buying that product is quite another? Seriously , if your position is correct, where are all the lawsuits ? How you feel about it morally is your prerogative, but obviously somebody is buying these products so it seems others disagree with you ?
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Apr 10, 2017 14:18:21 GMT -6
Post by johneppstein on Apr 10, 2017 14:18:21 GMT -6
I get what you're driving at here. Free downloads are great too, because they create thousands of satisfied customers. Stealing software without paying for it is one thing and this is not what we are talking about. Legally making a clone of a product that does not infringe on a copy write and legally buying that product is quite another? Seriously , if your position is correct, where are all the lawsuits ? How you feel about it morally is your prerogative, but obviously somebody is buying these products so it seems others disagree with you ? Where are all the lawsuits? Well, look up the differences between patent law and copyright law. Last time I looked, copyr4ight was for life plus 70 years. Patent was fot 17 years, plus another relatively short renewal period that has certain strings attached, I'd have to go look it up to be sure ofg the exact conditions. What it boils down to is that the patents are long expired on all those classic old designs. What bearing that has on the moral question is up to the individual, I guess...
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