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Post by sozocaps on Jan 19, 2017 22:10:36 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 19, 2017 22:48:18 GMT -6
I'm always suspicious of advertising copy that uses the phrase "Next Gen".
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Post by rocinante on Jan 20, 2017 0:17:17 GMT -6
Yeah but i still want one. Hopefully in 4 years and used as I'm sure they will cost a bit.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 20, 2017 6:32:04 GMT -6
Yeah but i still want one. Hopefully in 4 years and used as I'm sure they will cost a bit. Cost a bunch 8 channels for the price of an Orion. Not a league I can play in. Number of Channels USB HD Thunderbolt Dante 8 $2,799 $2,799 $3,199 $3,299 16 $3,899 $3,899 $4,299 $4,399 24 - $4,999 $5,399 $5,499 32 - $6,099 $6,499 $6,599 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2017 7:50:26 GMT -6
I'm always suspicious of advertising copy that uses the phrase "Next Gen". You're suspicious of everything though, right?  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2017 7:51:14 GMT -6
Wonder what this means for the Hilo?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 20, 2017 7:59:15 GMT -6
Wonder what this means for the Hilo? The copy mentions something about it being Hilo conversion right? In regards to that, 8 channels for 3k seems like a deal. |
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Post by swurveman on Jan 20, 2017 8:45:45 GMT -6
Is anybody using a multi channel converter on a PC with a USB connection? I'm using two Lynx Aurora's with two Aes 32 PCIE cards, which means an additional $2K in costs for the cards. The good result is that I have very little latency, both on tracking and hybrid mixing. It is much less expensive to buy a 32 channel Orion and hook it up via a USB connection, but the voice in my head that says "you get what you pay for" is skeptical.
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 20, 2017 10:31:37 GMT -6
Yup on 16x AD DA Rme RayDat... next move will be Thunderbolt probably..
That being said... After this years converter testing you make about 1% gain from them who cares, move the mic 50% change...
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 20, 2017 11:54:28 GMT -6
Is anybody using a multi channel converter on a PC with a USB connection? I'm using two Lynx Aurora's with two Aes 32 PCIE cards, which means an additional $2K in costs for the cards. The good result is that I have very little latency, both on tracking and hybrid mixing. It is much less expensive to buy a 32 channel Orion and hook it up via a USB connection, but the voice in my head that says "you get what you pay for" is skeptical. Well, we have an Antelope Orion 32 USB. So far doing 24 track transfers from tape there have been no problems. That's the most stressful thing we've done with it so far, throughput wise. As you all know I tend towards being somewhat skeptical/critical, but so far no problems. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 20, 2017 12:41:03 GMT -6
I'm always suspicious of advertising copy that uses the phrase "Next Gen". You're suspicious of everything though, right? Somewhat, yes, until it's been proven. And I generally don't much care for advertising buzz words. I'm much more impressed by a simple explanatiopn of why a product is superior to the competion than ad-speak chest thumping. |
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 20, 2017 13:46:44 GMT -6
They are saying simply they are the latest greatest evolution to their multi converter solution.... They could of called it MKII or something altogether different but after years of name recognition it would be dumb.... Man you guys are hard on them for a name ! I'm 100% positive they are better and simply the next generation of converters out...
wow ... bitch bitch bitch bitch like you paid 4k for them already and feel let down LOL... wow
I use Apogee and these look interesting enough for me to consider if I upgrade, and I like the name wink... lol
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Post by gouge on Jan 20, 2017 15:42:51 GMT -6
not much to be sceptical about with lynx. their aurora has pretty much destroyed the competition for the past 10+ years. there is no hype, no hyperbole just a rock solid product ahead of almost all others. it's taken this long for the competition to catch up. that's how good lynx are.
what they don't do is bring out a new product every 12 months and tell you it's the new best thing or offer you a bunch of vouchers.
lets put this into perspective. the aurora was introduced over 10 years ago and has only just been replaced.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2017 15:53:23 GMT -6
not much to be sceptical about with lynx. their aurora has pretty much destroyed the competition for the past 10+ years. there is no hype, no hyperbole just a rock solid product ahead of almost all others. it's taken this long for the competition to catch up. that's how good lynx are. what they don't do is bring out a new product every 12 months and tell you it's the new best thing or offer you a bunch of vouchers. lets put this into perspective. the aurora was introduced over 10 years ago and has only just be replaced. Agreed. Lynx is great. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 20, 2017 22:11:51 GMT -6
Please understand, I'm NOT knocking the Lynx in any way - in fact I wish I could afford one. I'm just being critical of the techniques that are commonly used in the sales side of the industry. I don't think there's any reason for a company with the stature of Lynx to resort to this sort of thing - it's what I'd expect from a company like, oh for example, Slate.
I just get so tired of all the hyperbole....
Can't they just say something like "After leading thg industry for 10 years - a NEW Lynx converter"?
Would Rolls-Royce advertise "The Next Gen Automobile"?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 22:21:54 GMT -6
Analogue summing built in seems mighty cool, I have a thing for hybrid all in one's and can't deny this would be tasty with a PT HD Native setup.. Or if TB latency is super low then whichever DAW. Need some spec's to find out how much better it is than my current MOTU. If the Symphony was released for PC it would be a hard choice, but for now I'll add it into my next studio upgrade list  .. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 20, 2017 22:23:11 GMT -6
Edit: Edited outbthe assumptions and researching the facts now!
The pricing puts them in the dad, merging, burl, prism prices; this would be fine if they were actually Hilo converters and circuits but alas they are not.. This info came from GS from someone who was at Namm and got clarification from Lynx direct, so unless I am being blatantly lied to and bamboozled 🤠
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Post by gouge on Jan 20, 2017 22:27:57 GMT -6
the list of what this thing can do is seriously impressive.
JANUARY 19, 2017 – Anaheim, CA. Today Lynx Studio Technology introduces the Aurora(n) line of A/D and D/A converters defining a major leap forward in the performance level, flexibility, channel count and features available in the converter/interface market. Representing the largest product offering from Lynx, the initial fourteen models will include models boasting up to 32 channels at 24 bit/192K with connectivity options to include Thunderbolt, USB, Dante and ProTools | HD all in a single rack space.
Designed to accommodate today’s needs as well as future requirements for the audio professional, the Aurora(n) features an I/O platform that can be uniquely configured using different modules. The first three of these modules will include a pre-amp, an analog summing and a digital (AES3+ADAT) module to be released in 2017. As with current Lynx products, a host of new features and capabilities will continue be added periodically via firmware updates. All units include a unique onboard micro SD player recorder capable of up to 32 channels of direct recording and playback designed for confidence and field playback and recording. In addition two audiophile grade headphone outs and a new1-in 3-out Word clock I/O sporting Lynx’s exclusive second generation SynchroLock-2 sample clock technology are on every unit.
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Post by Steamy Williams on Jan 21, 2017 3:15:01 GMT -6
Except the next gen is hyperbole because they are not equivalent to the Hilo converter design. Hilo uses transformers these new converters supposedly do not; plus they are very very pricey for the I/O count. The pricing puts them in the dad, merging, burl, prism prices; this would be fine if they were actually Hilo converters and circuits but alas they are not.. This info came from GS from someone who was at Namm and got clarification from Lynx direct, so unless I am being blatantly lied to and bamboozled 🤠 I saw that comment on GS too, but I have a hunch they misinterpreted whatever they were told by Lynx about transformers in the Hilo. The brochure for the Hilo states, "The line outputs faithfully mimic the qualities of transformers using precision amplifier circuitry." I wonder if this just means that it has electronically-balanced outputs that are cross-coupled, as those behave like a transformer when connected to an unbalanced input - i.e. no 6dB level drop. Cross coupled outputs are fairly common, and even the original Aurora has them, although not all converters do (Avid and Apollo converters don't, for example). The only real transformers mentioned in the brochure or manual for the Hilo are for the digital I/O. |
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 21, 2017 9:42:51 GMT -6
Apogee with the 16x D/A back in 2005 boasted about their low impedance transformer mimicking circuits I think
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 21, 2017 19:59:52 GMT -6
I'm super excited about these! I'm sure they are going to sound fantastic, and I'll be upgrading from my Apollo very soon.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 21, 2017 22:29:57 GMT -6
Except the next gen is hyperbole because they are not equivalent to the Hilo converter design. Hilo uses transformers these new converters supposedly do not; plus they are very very pricey for the I/O count. The pricing puts them in the dad, merging, burl, prism prices; this would be fine if they were actually Hilo converters and circuits but alas they are not.. This info came from GS from someone who was at Namm and got clarification from Lynx direct, so unless I am being blatantly lied to and bamboozled 🤠 I saw that comment on GS too, but I have a hunch they misinterpreted whatever they were told by Lynx about transformers in the Hilo. The brochure for the Hilo states, "The line outputs faithfully mimic the qualities of transformers using precision amplifier circuitry." I wonder if this just means that it has electronically-balanced outputs that are cross-coupled, as those behave like a transformer when connected to an unbalanced input - i.e. no 6dB level drop. Cross coupled outputs are fairly common, and even the original Aurora has them, although not all converters do (Avid and Apollo converters don't, for example). The only real transformers mentioned in the brochure or manual for the Hilo are for the digital I/O. Excellent info, I went and edited my original post and erased the assumptions. I am also researching the Hilo currently to see if in fact it is transformer coupled.. I agree that the form factor maybe different however quality comparable. For example: The new Burl ad8 new form factor with the trafos / circuit layout / pcb being efficiently minimized vs the ad4 card. I bet both sound great though and one would be hard pressed to blind test the difference consistently... |
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Post by ariel on Jan 24, 2017 12:45:16 GMT -6
I AM looking fwd to these converters as a Aurora 16 user. i was wanting a 32 channel unit without having to get a second unit as I wanted it all under one piece. It has been almost 10 years since their first unit came out so for them it is not about always having to bring out a new updated model. In fact they would just update the L-slot cards as new thing came out which si a brilliant design on their part. I heard the orion vs lynx test a while ago. I preferred the lynx as the low end seemed to be a bit more present. The top end and mid sounded the same. Lynx are not the ones to do the typical marketing hype at all.
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Post by drsax on Jan 25, 2017 16:18:36 GMT -6
Wonder what this means for the Hilo? Hilo isn't going anywhere according to Aurora. It's still their flagship. I spoke with them at NAMM and they said that the Aurora is much improved, but per channel it's not quite to the level of Hilo. But closer. The new multichannel Aurora units looked impressive in person. The metering was very nice as well. The five options slots on the back make for lots of configuration options. Pricey though. I'll be interested to hear these alongside some of the other industry favorites. It's a good time to be an audio engineer as far as options. Now if the economy will catch up, we'll be in good shape, LOL |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 25, 2017 16:20:37 GMT -6
Yeah, Hilo is my next purchase...
I've had it before...surprise.
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