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Post by M57 on Dec 26, 2016 19:16:38 GMT -6
Went to watch a video - They want me to open an account and give them a credit card #
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 26, 2016 19:18:21 GMT -6
In Brooklyn, we'd say !#$^*#%&*** fuhgeddaboudit
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Post by donr on Dec 26, 2016 20:05:42 GMT -6
Dunno, just went to teh link and the video played. CLA yesterday, Andy Wallace about snare treatment today. Good free info.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 26, 2016 20:15:15 GMT -6
Dunno, just went to teh link and the video played. CLA yesterday, Andy Wallace about snare treatment today. Good free info. What's the link?
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Post by donr on Dec 26, 2016 20:17:03 GMT -6
Right, it wasn't linked in the post. Search "Mix with the masters" and the site will come up and the free preview link.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 27, 2016 1:17:07 GMT -6
The cla video played from mobile for free, no sign up, no nothing. Great 20 min vid, I enjoyed immensely, thanks so much for the link!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 27, 2016 1:51:34 GMT -6
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Post by levon on Dec 27, 2016 2:13:41 GMT -6
Went to watch a video - They want me to open an account and give them a credit card # Same here. No access unless I sign up. No thanks.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 27, 2016 8:58:34 GMT -6
I got the register prompt as well, after not getting it for the CLA video. So, I switched browsers and watched the Andy Wallace video without getting any register prompt. So, I suspect they have some cookie that triggers the register prompt.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 27, 2016 9:26:24 GMT -6
Couldn't get in there either, tried switching browsers, still NG.
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Post by M57 on Dec 27, 2016 10:33:48 GMT -6
Click directly on the play button - don't hit the X or go with the V (continue) options.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 12:37:05 GMT -6
Went to watch a video - They want me to open an account and give them a credit card # Same here. No access unless I sign up. No thanks. Just caught the Sylvia Massy mix. I think you have to go to the top of the site and find the "new" link for the day as the ones posted here no longer work. One thing this showed me is how impartial and tolerant audio engineers have to be. I'm sure someone will correct me here ( I'm no vocalist) but the vocals were horrendous - mix was fine until the vocal wailing. She carried on like a true pro - I would have binned the whole bloody thing.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 27, 2016 13:21:23 GMT -6
reddit said, "the one to shoot for, the reality is that you need people who are totally invested in what you are doing and who are prepared to rehearse in their own time, coming back in till they get it right and there is the conundrum".
Yes indeed. I've been attempting to start a new band, but unless I do all the legwork, have a half dozen or more good gigs lined up, and can pay basic expenses, there's little interest. Even if the music is way better than some other project. It's understandable, but a little sad. My friend Dusty Wright just released his fourth album. He's an Americana style artist, and we tracked quite a few things here in my living room and his apartment, and he hired great drummers and recorded them in quality studios. We worked together the way friends do, I didn't look for a paycheck every time I comped a vocal or tracked a bass, we just help each other, and I know he'd return the favors in any way he could. I value that friendship a lot, because its just become so rare. On the left in the middle of the page, the second track, "Life is Hard" is an example. We co-wrote and produced it together. dustywright.bandcamp.com/album/caterwauling-towards-the-light Yeah, it seems like m nobody's interested in just doing a band and making music anymore. It's really sad...
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Post by bowie on Dec 27, 2016 14:10:25 GMT -6
Watched the 3 so far. If anything, they reaffirmed 3 things for me. 1) They reaffirmed several of the techniques I use and encouraged me not question myself so much. 2) They reinforced the thing I find myself often telling beginners; which is to stop looking for "tricks", because there aren't any. You can watch vids like this to learn common methods used in professional mixing but the real talent is in the skill of listening and decision making. 3) The first two vids reinforce my sentiments as to why mixes often feel so processed and artificial these days. Those two guys are modern mix superheroes so my moaning might fall on deaf ears here but what constitutes "slick" today sounds unnatural and disconcerting to me. I'm very much drawn to music that feels like it's coming from humans who are expressing themselves (I sorta thought that's what this is all about anyway) be it or acoustic, electronic, or otherwise. Not something that has been over-processed much in the same way that food scientists start with wheat and beef and end up with something called McDonalds.
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Post by M57 on Dec 27, 2016 14:49:00 GMT -6
Was just listening to some stunning EDM. Really, the track blew me away. I can easily see why people are into it. But there was nothing human about it. It was highly over-processed and crushed to a pancake. It's not my cup of tea and I had no great desire to listen to it again, but there was no denying its musicality and brilliance. I guess what I'm saying is that, just like in religion and politics, the range that our species experiences and appreciates art is wide and deep. In both cases, how we acknowledge and even accept those things determines what kind of order we bring to our lives - and world order in the case of R and P. Anyone here who's taken Art History 101 knows that art (and music) is sometimes the mirror of a culture, and sometimes the catalyst.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 27, 2016 14:56:11 GMT -6
reddit said, "the one to shoot for, the reality is that you need people who are totally invested in what you are doing and who are prepared to rehearse in their own time, coming back in till they get it right and there is the conundrum".
Yes indeed. I've been attempting to start a new band, but unless I do all the legwork, have a half dozen or more good gigs lined up, and can pay basic expenses, there's little interest. Even if the music is way better than some other project. It's understandable, but a little sad. My friend Dusty Wright just released his fourth album. He's an Americana style artist, and we tracked quite a few things here in my living room and his apartment, and he hired great drummers and recorded them in quality studios. We worked together the way friends do, I didn't look for a paycheck every time I comped a vocal or tracked a bass, we just help each other, and I know he'd return the favors in any way he could. I value that friendship a lot, because its just become so rare. On the left in the middle of the page, the second track, "Life is Hard" is an example. We co-wrote and produced it together. dustywright.bandcamp.com/album/caterwauling-towards-the-light Yeah, it seems like m nobody's interested in just doing a band and making music anymore. It's really sad... They had to stop doing it, because of the mental health fallout. I kid....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 27, 2016 14:59:08 GMT -6
Click directly on the play button - don't hit the X or go with the V (continue) options. Still didn't work, ugh...
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 27, 2016 15:03:18 GMT -6
Hey Martin, I hear you about the organic and glue thing that occurs with live musicians; I am not a fan of music formed by numbers however I do a lot of recording for others and am now tired of trying to fix things after the event. Mainly I do singer songwriters who I will try to get a good rhythm track from which could consist of an acoustic plus possibly the main percussion element, laying on the other insts afterwards. Many muso's may sound good live but put them under the studio microscope ( myself inc) and their time can be too suss to use as a basis to build the track from, so sadly I am now going to click tracks but even there many have problems and it's damage limitation rather than easy expression. In expressing my frustrations , I'm getting round to saying that whilst the idea of live muso's is to my mind, the one to shoot for, the reality is that you need people who are totally invested in what you are doing and who are prepared to rehearse in their own time, coming back in till they get it right and there is the conundrum. They all need to be your best mates to put in that time or you pay good players to do it and you need to be sure they can truly play to the standard you hear otherwise you'll be trying to fix things after the event and that's rarely satisfying and a helluva lot of work. Even the paid players I find need to have the track beforehand and be prepared to know their part before they arrive at the studio; you hope their pride will push them to get it right in their own time or you need a fat wallet as inducement. I've only found one drummer in many years who could lay it down without question and we cut six tracks in a short afternoon so they do exist but can be hard to find. Just my evolving, no longer 100% pro experience; hope it plays well for you. Cheers, Ross +1 Yep this is my experience. These days at 53, if i need an instrument I just reach for that instrument and do it myself to my standards - job done. What I loose in tracking a complete band at once I gain in getting the feel and part I want, played exactly as I want it. I'm sure if I had access to Vinnie Colaiuta, Tall Wilkenfeld, Herbie Hancock and Tim Pierce I'd think completely different - but I don't! As John Lennon said "life is what happens to you whilst your busy making other plans" so instead of sitting around hoping to be able to afford someone to make me go "wow" I've learnt through flippin' hard work to play everything myself on real instruments one track at a time. For me, whilst it wouldn't be my first choice, it is better than any realistic alternative.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 27, 2016 22:52:02 GMT -6
I wish I caught the snare vid yesterday. Was that any good? What did he do?
Just watched the SM vid, total snooze. Not much audio and it seemed like it was her first time mixing. Everything felt so indecisive or unsure. Totally weird and not what I expected. After seeing the CLA and this one, they're really convincing me that it's not worth my $300.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 28, 2016 9:32:27 GMT -6
I wish I caught the snare vid yesterday. Was that any good? What did he do? Just watched the SM vid, total snooze. Not much audio and it seemed like it was her first time mixing. Everything felt so indecisive or unsure. Totally weird and not what I expected. After seeing the CLA and this one, they're really convincing me that it's not worth my $300. The Andy Wallace video was primarily focused on the snare. He tweaked the EQ of the original snare and blended in his ambient snare. He explained why he liked ambient snares instead of room snares. I'm sure an entire series of his drum mixing process would be interesting. He talked about his using three reverbs -small mid and large- but didn't go into that or how he blends individual kit pieces with overheads. The guy truly is a master in what he does and is revered by many, but some would say they dislike his sound. So, if you're into that I think it would be useful.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2016 10:01:56 GMT -6
I wish I caught the snare vid yesterday. Was that any good? What did he do? Just watched the SM vid, total snooze. Not much audio and it seemed like it was her first time mixing. Everything felt so indecisive or unsure. Totally weird and not what I expected. After seeing the CLA and this one, they're really convincing me that it's not worth my $300. The Andy Wallace video was primarily focused on the snare. He tweaked the EQ of the original snare and blended in his ambient snare. He explained why he liked ambient snares instead of room snares. I'm sure an entire series of his drum mixing process would be interesting. He talked about his using three reverbs -small mid and large- but didn't go into that or how he blends individual kit pieces with overheads. The guy truly is a master in what he does and is revered by many, but some would say they dislike his sound. So, if you're into that I think it would be useful. Did it seem informative? The CLA/Massey were just uneventful to me. I really like a lot of Wallace mixes, so it would have been cool to check out, but could easily have been disappointing. Looking forward to checking out the next one.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 28, 2016 10:33:43 GMT -6
The Andy Wallace video was primarily focused on the snare. He tweaked the EQ of the original snare and blended in his ambient snare. He explained why he liked ambient snares instead of room snares. I'm sure an entire series of his drum mixing process would be interesting. He talked about his using three reverbs -small mid and large- but didn't go into that or how he blends individual kit pieces with overheads. The guy truly is a master in what he does and is revered by many, but some would say they dislike his sound. So, if you're into that I think it would be useful. Did it seem informative? The CLA/Massey were just uneventful to me. I really like a lot of Wallace mixes, so it would have been cool to check out, but could easily have been disappointing. Looking forward to checking out the next one. I thought both the CLA and Wallace one's were informative, but I tend to rely on compression too much at the expense of moving faders. So, the CLA video made me think about that and about dry verse/wet chorus's and overall small/big mixing to evoke moods. I agree that the Massey segment was weak, but I suspect that all of these are much more detailed. I can't imagine they wouldn't go back with Massey and show how she's checking the phase of her drums and why she didn't like the Chandler Compressor which made her rethink the drum phase. The next one is film score mixing. It felt like a plugin commercial to me, but he did blend some sound nicely..
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Post by donr on Dec 28, 2016 10:47:28 GMT -6
The previews are just one episode in each series. They're offered to whet your appetite for the site subscription. It's still informative, especially for free. I'm trying to catch all of them.
The Andy Wallace ambient snare sample is the digital equivalent of the old 'snare trick' where you bussed the gated snare track back out into the studio where an Auratone sat on a snare drum mic'ed from the bottom to pick up more clean snare sound without leakage to blend back in with the original snare.
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Post by bowie on Dec 28, 2016 11:07:40 GMT -6
The Andy Wallace video was primarily focused on the snare. He tweaked the EQ of the original snare and blended in his ambient snare. He explained why he liked ambient snares instead of room snares. I'm sure an entire series of his drum mixing process would be interesting. He talked about his using three reverbs -small mid and large- but didn't go into that or how he blends individual kit pieces with overheads. The guy truly is a master in what he does and is revered by many, but some would say they dislike his sound. So, if you're into that I think it would be useful. Did it seem informative? The CLA/Massey were just uneventful to me. I really like a lot of Wallace mixes, so it would have been cool to check out, but could easily have been disappointing. Looking forward to checking out the next one. If you've mixed sampled snares with tracked ones, then it was unlikely new territory. I didn't really see anything new in these videos, and I am not saying that in a boastful way at all. I liked Sylvia's video because you could observe the truly valuable part, the decision making process, as she swept through frequencies and evaluated things in the context of the mix. Andy really sliced, diced, and pureed that snare so those unfamiliar with the process will gain a lot. However, if you already know how to do that, he's working too fast for you to really absorb much of the context of why he's making the decisions (which is the important part, to me). I was left wondering if he was going through a habitual process (his snares have a signature sound) or if he was doing specific things to work with that song/mix.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 28, 2016 11:48:31 GMT -6
Did it seem informative? The CLA/Massey were just uneventful to me. I really like a lot of Wallace mixes, so it would have been cool to check out, but could easily have been disappointing. Looking forward to checking out the next one. I was left wondering if he was going through a habitual process (his snares have a signature sound) or if he was doing specific things to work with that song/mix. I thought about that as well, as he did all his snare tweaking without listening to it in the context of the mix. He may have a great ear/recall though and be able to hear the song in his head while tweaking, and through years of doing this know what would work without having to have the entire song playing while tweaking. Sylvia Massey on the other hand was looping a section while tweaking and listening.
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