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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 0:37:00 GMT -6
My wife is remodeling our small house which sets on about an 1 1/2 acre overlooking a lake. She just informed me she set money aside and insists I build me a studio. I'm a lucky guy.
So I'm thinking 20x30x10 bldg ,mostly overdub and mixing place .
Looking for any info on designing the inside layout .
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 1:26:24 GMT -6
do you have a floor plan?
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 2:09:59 GMT -6
do you have a floor plan? No that's what im researching,looking for suggestions. The mixing space will be more important to me ,but still want to be able to track (mostly overdub) . This space is just for me mainly but I have a couple friends who track in Nashville,then come over to mix . I kinda like this but not a good view into main room ,looks like window goes to vocal booth Attachments:
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 2:28:45 GMT -6
yeah I understand. I meant what is your current layout that you are going to fitout. or is this a new build?
you need to work up a brief first.
things like.
1. what instruments will you record
2. how many people need to fit
3. is one room ok
4. access to amenities
for mixing there is a minimum size which is around 1500cu feet. the size you are using would suit a one room setup.
the ratio of 1:2:3 is not ideal. is that flexible.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 3:01:56 GMT -6
This will be a new build. I record mainly acoustic guitar, vocal things maybe two acoustic gtrs and a vocal.
I realize that 600 sq ft isn't much but 90% of the time will be just me recording me . I do more mixing than recording.
The 20x30 x10 would just be outside dimensions.
Thought I could change ratio buy building inside walls at angle and so forth, but this is why I'm asking I don't know to much about this.
I can change dimensions somewhat as long as in budget , which isn't huge. Room acoustic is probably my main concern. If I get the room right the rest is easy lol
don't let me screw this up guys .lol By the way thanks for any input
And the house is right there for amenities. Again this is my playhouse I do very little outside projects just for close friends.
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 3:48:45 GMT -6
I'm a designer in my day job so i'd start with the site and look at the location of the building. From their identify view corridors as well as opportunities and constraints.
from what you've said, i would definitely lean towards a one room setup and save some money by not having a high level of isolation. i would not bother with diagrams like the one above. i would keep it simple. a rectangle. 30x18x12.
I should say up front, i don't agree with the general philosophy online which is to build an enclosed box and fit it out with no connection to the outside world. i think that undervalues the true potential.
that said, i am more than keen to help wherever possible.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 3:57:17 GMT -6
Thanks gouge, build should start in 2 weeks or so . I'd really appreciate your input . What would be the smallest bldg dimensions I can make work for a two room setup.
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 4:00:17 GMT -6
2 weeks is not enough time.
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 4:06:01 GMT -6
30x18x12 will allow 2 rooms.
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Post by gouge on Dec 23, 2016 4:27:25 GMT -6
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 4:34:10 GMT -6
Exactly the kinda of info I'm looking for .
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Post by jjinvegas on Dec 23, 2016 5:30:30 GMT -6
My first thoughts were more along the line of how much do you want it to impact your tax liability, and inspectors hovering, and contractors, etc. If it were me considering it, and I have a little, I think I would look into what is commonly referred to as a shed. Pour a pad, have one delivered and assembled, and then do whatever you want inside without too much of the usual interference if you were building a traditional structure. You put up a building in the usual sense, appraisers for taxes are going to be coming by, you put up a shed, who cares? You pour a foundation for a bulding, codes start coming into play at every step. You pour a foundation for a shed, nobody cares..... You put in a 30 amp service for new construction, all kinds of inspections and considerations come into play. You put in a 30 amp service so that your shed has lights, nobody cares. You catch my drift???
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 9:32:43 GMT -6
My first thoughts were more along the line of how much do you want it to impact your tax liability, and inspectors hovering, and contractors, etc. If it were me considering it, and I have a little, I think I would look into what is commonly referred to as a shed. Pour a pad, have one delivered and assembled, and then do whatever you want inside without too much of the usual interference if you were building a traditional structure. You put up a building in the usual sense, appraisers for taxes are going to be coming by, you put up a shed, who cares? You pour a foundation for a bulding, codes start coming into play at every step. You pour a foundation for a shed, nobody cares..... You put in a 30 amp service for new construction, all kinds of inspections and considerations come into play. You put in a 30 amp service so that your shed has lights, nobody cares. You catch my drift??? That's pretty much what I'm doing . I live in rural area we're if I went to the county and asked for a bldg permit they would look at me like so you telling us lol so what . But I get what your saying . |
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Post by jazznoise on Dec 23, 2016 10:30:57 GMT -6
I honestly prefer 1 room setups most of the time, there's times a 2nd isolated room suits but if either room makes acoustic compromises to make that happen it's a lose/lose imho.
The flipside is what the acoustic considerations are for the live space. Do you want a lively room? There's limits that what kind reverb time will allow for accurate monitoring (0.2 - 0.3 mS of an RT60 is considered ideal). Which can be achieved in large rooms, but doesn't always make for an acoustically great sounding space.
What materials are you considering?
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 10:38:21 GMT -6
Jazzmoise thats one reason I started this thread to get input on room size and materials. That being said the sound of the control room (or if only one room ) is the most important mixing is most of what I do
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 23, 2016 10:39:50 GMT -6
Awesome. Congrats.
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Post by jazznoise on Dec 23, 2016 11:44:34 GMT -6
Jazzmoise thats one reason I started this thread to get input on room size and materials. That being said the sound of the control room (or if only one room ) is the most important mixing is most of what I do Well then you need a controlled listening space. There's developed standards on that, the old BBC whitepapers are quite good. For a space like that, I'd consider a listening room dimension like 20x16x12, 10 is just a little low if you want to hang a cloud or diffusor. A vaulted or half vaulted ceiling would even work (and they're also just nice in general). The distances are non-simple ratios and the volume of air (3800 ft) is sufficiently large to handle low frequencies while keeping the reverb short. I used this calculator to double check and it works out bang on: amroc.andymel.eu/?l=20&w=16&h=12&ft=true&re=EBU%20listening%20roomPragmatically the back of the room can also be used to store things, and a single interior door is plenty. I assume you'll be playing in your own studio? If it's not a loud band playing all the time, double doors etc. might just be an unnecessary cost/hassle (I hate bringing stuff through double doors). That said a strong door is good security. The live room should be bigger if you want to record acoustic instruments like drums, piano, strings etc., I'd consider 20x24x12 to keep the building square. The reverb time could be a little longer. Material wise: The control room can use porous materials to finish the walls and carpeting, as long as its complimented with good low frequency management. I'd rather mix in a bright room than a room that's dead down to 250Hz and then ringing below that. Superchunks, broadband absorption and some diffusion to stop it getting too dead. With the live room I'd be less worried, large lively acoustic spaces just sound good to me. Untreated brick and a wood floor would be ideal, but really with materials it's yr budget. I mentioned the vaulted ceiling before and it can be great. We mainly track in a refurbished barn and it's a great sounding room, even though it's quite narrow (Room is probably 30x10x16 at the peak of the ceiling). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 13:12:24 GMT -6
You might enjoy reading the series with Russ Hughes (PTE). He converted a garage into a writing/mixing room The summary is here: www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2016/11/17/home-studio-build-professionals-give-their-verdict From there you can find links to the entire set of articles. What I enjoyed about this was that he built the sort of room that he needed, which is not necessarily the room anyone else would need. There's a lot of good discussion about determining your individual needs and then making sure the room helped you do what you needed to do. It's really easy to go with a sort of generic scheme and never be quite happy with it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2016 22:11:17 GMT -6
How do you and your wife feel about plural marriage?
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2016 22:22:30 GMT -6
How do you and your wife feel about plural marriage? Well hell why not lol as long as you bring Helios and the Upton |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2016 23:39:27 GMT -6
Damnit. Another reason I need to get the Helios again.
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Post by unit7 on Dec 24, 2016 4:23:22 GMT -6
How do you and your wife feel about plural marriage? Well hell why not lol as long as you bring Helios and the Upton I'm in too! Check my homepage and pick anything :-) But seriously, congrats on that wife. Merry Christmas and good luck with the build! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 26, 2016 11:28:07 GMT -6
Give Jeff hardback a call you will be surprised how affordable a real studio designer can be.
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Post by ericn on Dec 26, 2016 11:28:20 GMT -6
Give Jeff hardback a call you will be surprised how affordable a real studio designer can be.
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Post by Ward on Dec 27, 2016 5:03:24 GMT -6
Jeff Hedback
projects@hedbackdesignedacoustics.com
317-863-0753 office
317-965-1847 cell
P.S. 'cell' does not refer to his prison location. (rolls eyes). Just very bad grammar as 'mobile' is too hard a word for some folks to say. These folks also own 'satellite TVs', although I'm fairly certain none of them are in orbit.
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