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Dec 12, 2016 15:43:09 GMT -6
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Post by gouge on Dec 12, 2016 15:43:09 GMT -6
Actually--looking at that longer, are Auxes just their busses you can assign a track to output to instead of the "master fader"? If so, their work around is what I do even though I HAVE post fader inserts....save your tempate with 16 auxes with their dither inserted and name then for the physical outputs--"AnaOut1...AnaOut2....SDPIFOut1, etc"....then you could actually insert the hardware insert IOs there, too. So, you'd go dither in the first slot, then your hardware IO to send it out and return it....then all 16 of those go to the master since for whatever reason you are using an analog mixer but summing digitally. Otherwise, you insert the dither on them then output them to the physical output....stereo input track to recapture the analog sum. So 16 auxes (or however you want to configure mono and stereo)....dither then IO plug in. And my guess? You won't be able to tell the difference. I've never thought it mattered much. But, it's simply not hard to do, and since I DO understand how theoretically it will sound better, sure--I do it. With the airwindows plug the difference across a mix is significant to my ears.
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Dec 12, 2016 16:26:20 GMT -6
Post by wiz on Dec 12, 2016 16:26:20 GMT -6
Actually--looking at that longer, are Auxes just their busses you can assign a track to output to instead of the "master fader"? If so, their work around is what I do even though I HAVE post fader inserts....save your tempate with 16 auxes with their dither inserted and name then for the physical outputs--"AnaOut1...AnaOut2....SDPIFOut1, etc"....then you could actually insert the hardware insert IOs there, too. So, you'd go dither in the first slot, then your hardware IO to send it out and return it....then all 16 of those go to the master since for whatever reason you are using an analog mixer but summing digitally. Otherwise, you insert the dither on them then output them to the physical output....stereo input track to recapture the analog sum. So 16 auxes (or however you want to configure mono and stereo)....dither then IO plug in. And my guess? You won't be able to tell the difference. I've never thought it mattered much. But, it's simply not hard to do, and since I DO understand how theoretically it will sound better, sure--I do it. Again, thanks for your interest in this... Okay... all testing done... 8).. you know, until next time... 8) First of all Dither... then summing. Dither... Its all good and I sorted out how to do this, for my workflow in Logic. Be aware.. that there are PDC compensation issues with some routing in Logic.. which I won't go into... its a head*)Ock... I just need to instantiate the dither plug, in the slot before I use my IO plug in. Can I hear a difference... yes.... maybe.... 8) I tested myself by highlighting all the instances of the dither plug in and I can turn them all on and off at once in real time. I click them in and out a random amount of times.. then play the song, and click and it either switches it off or on. I did better than 50 50... but it was hard to pick up.. mainly cymbals... certainly it did no harm. I will do it like that... insert it when needed (depending on the plug ins in the chain) and move on. Summing. its as you know, really difficult to do an accurate A/B with summing. I have done the tests before.. and did it again this morning. I matched it to as accurate as I can by nulling... so its within a dB for each instrument. its as close as I can get. Its just not worth it. It sounds different.. not better not worse.. different. When you compare Delta Summed, ITB summed, ITB summed with Slate VCC... all three sound different. I will move ahead with summing ITB. To sum OTB with only one trip AD DA would require much more gear than I currently have ... to incorporate the way I work with the Bricasti and effects with no sonic benefit that would justify the expense.. even If I had the money. I work on up to 10 songs at a given time.. so there is that which apart from expense is my major concern. Remember I don't work for clients anymore, so its all about fun for me nowadays... given my album sales are in the toilet.... 8) thanks again cheers Wiz
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 12, 2016 19:33:48 GMT -6
I just discovered something for Pro Tools 11+ users. Kazrog masterDither appears to have no latency! That beats needing to add the latency of a limiter with pre-delay.
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Dec 13, 2016 0:36:02 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 13, 2016 0:36:02 GMT -6
You can have as many master faders as you want in PT and you assign the master fader to output you are routing to HW. Sorry this doesn't help you wiz hope it helps someone else. You could do this with a mixbus HW chain by selecting the mixbus chain outputs, also control clicking on the output "mults" the output like a console. You will see a plus next to the output. In case my write up is hard to follow, PTE has a clear explanation... www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2015/7/8/pro-tools-quick-tips-multiple-outs
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