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Post by ragan on Dec 10, 2016 12:10:59 GMT -6
I'm going to guess there's a few guys in here who are completely ignorant to the radio ready polish my customer's expect from a recording and that's fine. LOL
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Post by popmann on Dec 10, 2016 15:20:37 GMT -6
Dunlop is so yesterday. You need Planet Waves "Shiny and Moist" for Apple Music level polishing. Thank you for this! That's why all of my mixes sound dated! No one will touch your stuff these days unless it's moist enough.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 10, 2016 16:23:22 GMT -6
Dates should be moist. The fruit and the human type.
My mixes are all dated, I haven't done one today.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 10, 2016 19:19:03 GMT -6
Sorry for the OT from Cubase 9... reading the classic rant for me thinking...
@jordanvoth I run a 32 bit version of PT, off OWC 7200 platters, connected via USB, and have been stable. I say that to say this below...
I don't think an i5 chip from 2012 can handle pro quality full band tracking on 32-64 buffer. My quad core i7 can barely do 12 simultaneous inputs at 96khz. Antelope's drivers are " off the shelf ", known to be written by another company and they have lots of room to improve. Complaint after complaint regarding drivers, SW integration, latency, on the other site with Antelope interfaces.
As always, try creating a backup, and do a fresh OS X install, or maybe just Cubase ( and plugs ) fresh install. I am upgrading my 5400 to a 850 evo soon, but even then I am saving for a new Mac Pro or better studio machine than a MBP. I love my mbp, but it's a laptop that's built crippled from the manufacturer from the get go, so I know for the ultimate performance in the studio, an upgrade would be do. Good thing, as of right now I don't track 12+ inputs daily lol. Hope you get find the right DAW/ setup for you!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 21:45:00 GMT -6
Maybe he can tell us what he has on the radio. This song stayed on the charts in Canada for quite a while a couple of years back Same band is currently enjoying some national commercial play with this one that I did that just came out. Other clients that I have listed in my signature include Orange, they were signed with Epitaph and Hellcat and Comeback Kid, a band that's sold well into the hundreds of thousands and have toured the entire world several times over. My own band Bleed American charted at the college level in a few spots but nothing too serious. Hey it's no Faith Hill but I think it passes the bar of professional work and apparently so do the labels that sell this music. A lot of people on forums hide behind clever screen names and have zero work, I'm really beginning to notice more and more of that happening here unfortunately. Rather than chew out nameless screen names that don't have a single piece of work to back themselves up I'll continue to post my ideas and the work I do is all located in the Work In Progress forum. You can go there, here it for yourself and make that distinction whether I know what I'm talking about. There are lots of guys, yourself included that I feel do incredible work and don't hide behind usernames with no work to their name and I definitely appreciate offering my opinions and thoughts in an environment like that but lately we've had a short bus of idiots join here who spew a bunch of crap that is entirely contrary to what I've been doing for a decade. Now either I'm wrong and I'd be more than willing to publicly admit it but let's hear it. If some of these guys who want to chalk up my views to being "young and stupid" hey, I'm more than willing to hear that but let's hear your work; here is some more of mine. Hey I'd love to hear some of the examples of other people here but I reckon the real vocal ones are going to be quite silent. Again my complaints with Cubase 9 remain. Hasn't changed, these are features myself and others on the steinberg forum have been asking for and all those things that I listed would increase my efficiency and if you're working on projects all year round, it is the difference between getting another project booked and being stuck on one. This should make sense to a bunch of people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 21:49:49 GMT -6
Sorry for the OT from Cubase 9... reading the classic rant for me thinking... @jordanvoth I run a 32 bit version of PT, off OWC 7200 platters, connected via USB, and have been stable. I say that to say this below... I don't think an i5 chip from 2012 can handle pro quality full band tracking on 32-64 buffer. My quad core i7 can barely do 12 simultaneous inputs at 96khz. Antelope's drivers are " off the shelf ", known to be written by another company and they have lots of room to improve. Complaint after complaint regarding drivers, SW integration, latency, on the other site with Antelope interfaces. As always, try creating a backup, and do a fresh OS X install, or maybe just Cubase ( and plugs ) fresh install. I am upgrading my 5400 to a 850 evo soon, but even then I am saving for a new Mac Pro or better studio machine than a MBP. I love my mbp, but it's a laptop that's built crippled from the manufacturer from the get go, so I know for the ultimate performance in the studio, an upgrade would be do. Good thing, as of right now I don't track 12+ inputs daily lol. Hope you get find the right DAW/ setup for you! This was my fear that the i5 was holding the thing back, sadly it's not a swappable component. One of these days I'll bite the bullet on a new tower. I'll try a fresh install and see, new Antelope Drivers are insanely finnicky but that's just how she goes at times.
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Post by popmann on Dec 10, 2016 22:45:27 GMT -6
Apologies for offending you. Quite an impressive quantity of work. I do want to point out that "stupid" was never a descriptor I used.
Instrument track, BTW, as click, musical time base, obviously....whatever subdivision you want--start and stop as needed....change the tone as needed(by changing the note).....exports as a timestamped audio file in batch mode right alongside everything else. Just save that into your template...the only downside is that "c" doesn't turn it on and off--it's a mute on the mixer....one down.
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Post by wiz on Dec 10, 2016 23:06:42 GMT -6
I think it's important to hear people's work. I seek it out...it gives me a benchmark for their comments....
Not that you can't learn from everyone ...you can...it's a good benchmark
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 11, 2016 7:28:29 GMT -6
So my favorite DAW just got a bit more perfect for me, so no complaints here.
UNDO history is worth the update price alone - actually compared to all my other studio purchases and expenses, the cost of updating the software at the centre of my studio is very reasonable.
For me the combination of Cubase 9 and Wavelab 9 make for a very slick and professional work platform.
I'm very fortunate in that Cubase and Wavelab are 100% stable, perhaps because I invested in a "pro" built PC workstation?
Anyway all in all, I'm very chuffed with Cubase 9 and I'm looking forward to Cubase 9.5 to see what fantastic features Steinberg will add next - I always think there's nothing left to add and then we get something like "Sampler Track" which now I've used, I didn't realize I've always needed :-)
The cool thing these days is, if Cubase isn't your cup of tea, there's so many other great DAW's to choose from, everybody can be happy.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2016 10:12:26 GMT -6
Maybe he can tell us what he has on the radio. This song stayed on the charts in Canada for quite a while a couple of years back Same band is currently enjoying some national commercial play with this one that I did that just came out. Other clients that I have listed in my signature include Orange, they were signed with Epitaph and Hellcat and Comeback Kid, a band that's sold well into the hundreds of thousands and have toured the entire world several times over. My own band Bleed American charted at the college level in a few spots but nothing too serious. Hey it's no Faith Hill but I think it passes the bar of professional work and apparently so do the labels that sell this music. A lot of people on forums hide behind clever screen names and have zero work, I'm really beginning to notice more and more of that happening here unfortunately. Rather than chew out nameless screen names that don't have a single piece of work to back themselves up I'll continue to post my ideas and the work I do is all located in the Work In Progress forum. You can go there, here it for yourself and make that distinction whether I know what I'm talking about. There are lots of guys, yourself included that I feel do incredible work and don't hide behind usernames with no work to their name and I definitely appreciate offering my opinions and thoughts in an environment like that but lately we've had a short bus of idiots join here who spew a bunch of crap that is entirely contrary to what I've been doing for a decade. Now either I'm wrong and I'd be more than willing to publicly admit it but let's hear it. If some of these guys who want to chalk up my views to being "young and stupid" hey, I'm more than willing to hear that but let's hear your work; here is some more of mine. Hey I'd love to hear some of the examples of other people here but I reckon the real vocal ones are going to be quite silent. Again my complaints with Cubase 9 remain. Hasn't changed, these are features myself and others on the steinberg forum have been asking for and all those things that I listed would increase my efficiency and if you're working on projects all year round, it is the difference between getting another project booked and being stuck on one. This should make sense to a bunch of people. Dude, if you want to measure appendages, I can whip mine out. I won't tolerate ANY dickheaded-ness on this board and your original comment was a total dickhead move. So, be humble, or don't participate. Sorry if this offends you.
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Post by drsax on Dec 11, 2016 10:19:05 GMT -6
@jordanvoth I think that in your rant about Cubase features, you started getting a bit offensive to cats on the forum here, none of whom provoked that kind of response as far as I can see. I understand clearly how certain DAW functions can speed us up or slow us down. And that can be frustrating. But the tools we have at our disposal these days are a gift. I've been doing this for 25 years and am still learning. But one thing is evident to me - If anyone has experienced working on the early versions of many major DAW's, or Tape, or ADAT (and perhaps you have), all modern DAW's are pretty awesome in terms of workflow and features. There's so much that we complain about that wasn't even possible 10-15 years ago. Although many prefer tape, I love what can be done with modern tools.
Also, challenging others (I'll show you mine, so show me yours) is probably not the best way to encourage friendships around these parts. If you spend enough time on these forums you'll find that the majority of cats on this site are very real people. Nice guys and great musicians. Not many trolls here on this site, thankfully. Most guys have posted videos and samples of work on the forum. And I know there are cats here who have incredible resumes who humbly participate. Calling people out because they have a screenname seems a bit petty.
My screen name is DRSax. I play sax and my name is Darren Rahn. Hence the "DRSax." Not attempting to hide behind anything. But I don't like getting into a competition about credentials, I prefer to quietly work on music without the pomp and circumstance. I spent too much time in the past trying to prove myself in the industry - and it quickly drained me of my passion for music. With that said, this far into my career, I am still a student - still learning. Many consider me an expert and yet the more music I do, the more I realize that I still have so much to learn. And that learning doesn't come only from cats who have better credentials than me. I have learned as many valuable skills from guys that are just getting started or who are totally unknown. I have learned from cats on this forum who may have never produced something "radio ready", although there are many that have. Anyways, if you wanna engage in a friendly, welcoming way, I'll bet you'll create some cool connections, and we'll learn from you, and maybe you'll learn a thing or too from us. It's a bit cliche, but we're all in this together.
Oh, and Cubase 9 may not be perfect, but as I sat in my studio last night testing it, it was well worth the upgrade price. I'm thrilled with the new features and look forward to them adding more features down the road. Hopefully some of the things you mentioned will be on that list.
Peace - Darren
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 11, 2016 10:24:57 GMT -6
I'm a hack. And my work proves it. So I'm fine using Cubase
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2016 10:25:17 GMT -6
Damn, I should hire Darren to be my spokesperson... He's the Mike Pence to my Donald Trump
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Post by drsax on Dec 11, 2016 10:32:01 GMT -6
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Post by drsax on Dec 11, 2016 10:33:33 GMT -6
Jordan... just be cool man. These are good cats around here. If you knew some of these cats you've offended, you'd probably reconsider your viewpoint. Just chill and learn and contribute. If you get this upset about Cubase features, it's gonna be tough to maintain healthy industry relationships over the long haul when you experience things that really justify being upset
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2016 10:37:45 GMT -6
I would say 90% of the 1% of extremely successful mixers/engineers don't use Cubase in the first place. I happen to like it just as much if not better than Pro Tools, but the truth is that 90% of working studios run on Pro Tools.
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Post by popmann on Dec 11, 2016 13:07:58 GMT -6
And of that 90%, I'm gonna keep repeating....88% of them are using HARDWARE Avid solutions. I repeat because it's both the reason AND the reason the SOFTWARE is inferior when NOT running on their hardware. But, also, like BobO said in the recent PT 12 thread "why would anyone switch DAWs?" He's prolly been using it since it Session Tools.
Same way I am with Cubase at this point. But, I was never interested in a "DAW". I bought Cubase because it was the best cross platform VI host/MIDI sequencer....I didn't use it's audio for more than casual experimentation for YEARS and YEARS of ownership. I had a hardware 24 track recorder/mixer for audio. Anyway--I auditioned apps for specifically native audio tasks when I need to replace the hardware (and there was really no new hardware solutions)....PT10, Reaper(4?), Logic9, I tried to get whatever that era's Mixbuss to run unsuccessfully on my iMac....anyway....it turned out on basic IO compensation and plug in function in stress tests, Cubase was the ONLY one that came through with flying colors. So, I just upgraded to the then latest version of that and started doing audio there, too.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 11, 2016 13:19:48 GMT -6
There's so much that we complain about that wasn't even possible 10-15 years ago. The crux. When we work intensively and intimately with any product, it's normal to have inadequate aspects force some raging frustration at times.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 14:23:33 GMT -6
........ These are good cats around here. ..... "These are good cats around here" drsax (RGO, 2016) "I'll be damned, the universe disposes of its own evil!" dr.sax ( Kerouac 1959) have you come back, Jack?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2016 15:32:03 GMT -6
........ These are good cats around here. ..... "These are good cats around here" drsax (RGO, 2016) "I'll be damned, the universe disposes of its own evil!" dr.sax ( Kerouac 1959) have you come back, Jack? We must gather our sheep when they stray...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 13, 2016 11:42:14 GMT -6
So this guy decided to delete his profile. Oh well.
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Post by drsax on Dec 13, 2016 20:57:48 GMT -6
He's been a bit fired up on "the other site" lately as well. Seems to feel pretty entitled. Shame that he bailed, but If he gets this upset over Cubase features, I wonder how upset he gets over real difficulties. Actually, I don't wanta know.
On topic, The little time I've spent with Cubase 9, I'm pretty impressed so far. Pretty good upgrade I'd say. The mixer undo and sampler are both implemented very nicely.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 14, 2016 1:00:34 GMT -6
Yes, back on topic...I've had two crashes...mixing. Not cool. 8.5 was pretty rock solid. I realized that after having a couple of out-of-the-blue crashes in 9 and it reminded me of the random crashes I would have in Cubase in previous versions. Just absolutely out of the blue. Man, if I were tracking I would be scared to trust right now.
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Post by drsax on Dec 15, 2016 15:50:50 GMT -6
All day drum tracking session in Cubase 9.0.1 and it has been flawless. Digging the updated workflow. Are you guys that are having crashes on Mac? Have you done the update to 9.0.1? I'm on a Windows 10 PC here.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 15, 2016 16:39:07 GMT -6
Always heard and from other users experience that Cubase was always more stable on PC than Mac...
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