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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 7, 2016 15:31:49 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2016 16:39:41 GMT -6
Hmm...not much I would use in it...although I do like the new Mix Zones. Not sure it's worth $99 for me though.
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Post by Bender on Dec 7, 2016 16:49:43 GMT -6
Still wishing I didn't sleep in that summer sale had my fingers crossed for holiday specials. It it didn't happen..
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 7, 2016 17:23:53 GMT -6
Hmm...not much I would use in it...although I do like the new Mix Zones. Not sure it's worth $99 for me though. The scroll down "mix position recall" is the big draw for me. It sends you back to a snap shot of "time" you were at in the mix for an ultimate A/B comparison in real time. Super groovy.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 7, 2016 17:26:25 GMT -6
I like the mix zones too JK. Eapeacialy the mix window/transport/editor feature. I mix pretty much only on the editor anyway so the extra visual is a big plus for me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2016 17:27:30 GMT -6
I'm sure I won't be able to hold out. I'm a sucker.
Aw hell, I'm just gonna buy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 17:59:39 GMT -6
I have been quietly grumbling for a few years to myself over some Steinberg garbage but I've always maintained it was way ahead of the curve in a lot of ways. But this is it for me. I'm letting all my complaints out.
1) import session data is still not a thing 2) exporting a click track is still a pain in the ass 3) clip gain is terrible and clip effect doesn't exist 4) no "latch prime in stop" automation 5) can't store i/o templates 6) Inexplicably poor performance on Mac OS, I can get logic to record an entire session off the floor but somedays Cubase can't handle a single audio track regardless of settings. 7) OVERPRICED. This shitty DAW costs the same as PT these days. 8) Support is poor and responds very slow. Never once has Steinberg ever been able to solve a problem for me. Waves, Slate, Antelope and many others have. Sternberg's explanation is that my computer is not spec'd for recording work while Logic runs without as much as a hiccup. 9) that stupid, miserable, piece of shit, purple fucking licenser. USE iLOK YOU IGNORANT FUCKS THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE USE. OR. BETTER YET. DON'T RESORT TO THIS AT ALL. I'VE PAID FOR EVERY VERSION SINCE 5. It SURE would be a nice feature to be able to open a session away from those delicate usb dongles I constantly worry are going to break. Look at that ilok3! Let me put my license with the rest of the ones I own at the least.
we got a half update last year in 8.5, it's been two full years since a real update and the best they got is mixer undo? Fuck it. I'm gonna make the PT jump in the new year and be over with it. I had my mind half made up a few months back but I wanted to see if this update would solve some of my workflow issues and this really doesn't do it for me. RIP. It was a good decade.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2016 18:33:08 GMT -6
You should try xanax
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 20:01:03 GMT -6
The walls are closing in. The Leafs are losing and Cubase sucks now. My whole world is crumbling.
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Post by ragan on Dec 7, 2016 20:23:38 GMT -6
The walls are closing in. The Leafs are losing and Cubase sucks now. My whole world is crumbling. Gonna need more than Xanax.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 7, 2016 20:25:10 GMT -6
The walls are closing in. The Leafs are losing and Cubase sucks now. My whole world is crumbling. That was a classic rant post! Let it all out bro 😃
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Dec 7, 2016 20:34:10 GMT -6
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 7, 2016 20:34:10 GMT -6
The walls are closing in. The Leafs are losing and Cubase sucks now. My whole world is crumbling. Haha. Tell us how you really feel Jordan. Look at the bright side. It's hockey season, right?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2016 20:35:31 GMT -6
This thing should finally be downloaded.
Btw - as soon as Google Fiber gets here...I'm in.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 7, 2016 20:46:57 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2016 23:11:46 GMT -6
OK...the installer that took 2 hours to download is getting stuck on verification. I deleted and started the DL again...not the most promising of starts.
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Post by popmann on Dec 8, 2016 0:03:31 GMT -6
They knew I just did my 30 day demo of 8.5....thought they'd raise the price $50 on me to make that decision easier! They're certainly not making these apps for me anymore. I certainly don't have issues exporting click tracks they need to address.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 8, 2016 9:14:58 GMT -6
I certainly don't have issues exporting click tracks they need to address. Yeah...don't really get that complaint.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 8, 2016 9:16:41 GMT -6
Gonna go up and try this again in a bit. I googled ".dmg verification stuck" and found a "solution" of opening the .pkg file with the installer.app. Problem is, it's not a .pkg file - it's a .dmg. So when you drill down to open it with the installer.app, .dmg is greyed out...So I just deleted and re downloaded.
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Post by popmann on Dec 8, 2016 10:56:17 GMT -6
Honestly question to Jordan....if "cubase sucks now", which for the sake of the argument, when did it NOT suck? Your license is good for THAT version, too.
Sometimes I think people get a kind of theoretical "doesn't effect me" envy....they get spun up because Steinberg isn't implementing something Apple did in Logic....or that Avid is switching to a model where they pay yearly maintenance rather than what the same person did before which is "buy" every upgrade every 18months...I'm not saying these are irrelevancies--I'm saying they didn't make your actual use experience different today knowing that as yesterday NOT knowing that....sometimes we need to be reminded. If the reason you don't feel like you can go back is because you're committed to Apple and they are what disallows you to run v4,5,6,7 on your current system, see past posts about how I love Apple and rarely end up with one as a DAW. It is what it is....it's a constant crossgrade wallet emptying process. I just did the figuring that if I buy a new Mac, I'll have to put out almost $2k in various "peripheral" (both had and software replacements and upgrades) to make it a go. Amount for a Win10 faster PC? $0. The cost of the computers themselves isn't really that different--sure the Mac is a little more $, and less powerful....or equally powerful and about 2.5x as much $. But, functionally for a DAW, I'm not sure the ultimate power matters a lot.
I'm also going to offer this--you need to understand the difference in Logic an Cubase's buffering. When you say Logic recorded the live band and Cubase couldn't do one track, I think you're using software monitoring. Why? Because that means you need a low buffer. Thing is--when you turn Logic to 64 samples, it's PROCESS buffer is it's fixed 1024. Cubase would record that same or more tracks at 1024. But, if you're feeding someone's monitors with a 1024 buffer, that would be absurdly latent. But, Cubase does the opposite--it has a fixed VIRTUAL INSTRUMENT input buffer that's always 128 or whatever low'ish...and the setting YOU'RE making is for the audio mixer's process buffer. You shouldn't be using software monitoring for anything really, IMO....if you need to do that, you need PCIe and/or Thunderbolt audio, a workstation class machine (which is likely why Steiny said what they did)....or you should move to Logic which handles buffering differently.
I'm honestly really surprised as badly as Steiny obviously wants to eat Logic's audience....that they haven't included Groove Agent. The Grand. While these VIs are not cutting edge of awesome sauce....that's actually WHY no one buys them--just like no one would buy the VIs in Logic, but if they're INCLUDED....man what a perceived bonus. If you don't have a good Hammond emu, and you get Amel's new Logic organ....color you happy as a pig in dung. If you don't have a piano sample, the Grand is AMAZEBALLS compared to you 1998 Roland keyboard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 11:41:59 GMT -6
Honestly question to Jordan....if "cubase sucks now", which for the sake of the argument, when did it NOT suck? Your license is good for THAT version, too. Sometimes I think people get a kind of theoretical "doesn't effect me" envy....they get spun up because Steinberg isn't implementing something Apple did in Logic....or that Avid is switching to a model where they pay yearly maintenance rather than what the same person did before which is "buy" every upgrade every 18months...I'm not saying these are irrelevancies--I'm saying they didn't make your actual use experience different today knowing that as yesterday NOT knowing that....sometimes we need to be reminded. If the reason you don't feel like you can go back is because you're committed to Apple and they are what disallows you to run v4,5,6,7 on your current system, see past posts about how I love Apple and rarely end up with one as a DAW. It is what it is....it's a constant crossgrade wallet emptying process. I just did the figuring that if I buy a new Mac, I'll have to put out almost $2k in various "peripheral" (both had and software replacements and upgrades) to make it a go. Amount for a Win10 faster PC? $0. The cost of the computers themselves isn't really that different--sure the Mac is a little more $, and less powerful....or equally powerful and about 2.5x as much $. But, functionally for a DAW, I'm not sure the ultimate power matters a lot. I'm also going to offer this--you need to understand the difference in Logic an Cubase's buffering. When you say Logic recorded the live band and Cubase couldn't do one track, I think you're using software monitoring. Why? Because that means you need a low buffer. Thing is--when you turn Logic to 64 samples, it's PROCESS buffer is it's fixed 1024. Cubase would record that same or more tracks at 1024. But, if you're feeding someone's monitors with a 1024 buffer, that would be absurdly latent. But, Cubase does the opposite--it has a fixed VIRTUAL INSTRUMENT input buffer that's always 128 or whatever low'ish...and the setting YOU'RE making is for the audio mixer's process buffer. You shouldn't be using software monitoring for anything really, IMO....if you need to do that, you need PCIe and/or Thunderbolt audio, a workstation class machine (which is likely why Steiny said what they did)....or you should move to Logic which handles buffering differently. I'm honestly really surprised as badly as Steiny obviously wants to eat Logic's audience....that they haven't included Groove Agent. The Grand. While these VIs are not cutting edge of awesome sauce....that's actually WHY no one buys them--just like no one would buy the VIs in Logic, but if they're INCLUDED....man what a perceived bonus. If you don't have a good Hammond emu, and you get Amel's new Logic organ....color you happy as a pig in dung. If you don't have a piano sample, the Grand is AMAZEBALLS compared to you 1998 Roland keyboard. I wasn't using software monitoring for the live recording, it was an entirely separate set up consisting of just mics to storage. All those features I mentioned were major features I needed and was really hoping for. Cubase 6 introduced the quantize panel, that feature saved me hours, it's hit point detection has always been really good, render in place modes for 8 (?) was a great feature. I say it sucks now because this is the first time since four where every feature they've rolled out has zero use to someone who's doing large recording projects. I'm not a huge fan of the lower zone at all, I bought a few of the CMC controllers a year ago and I've always liked having the transport off the screen. One of the window arranger views looks like it could be of some use but all those issues remain. If you look on the Steinberg forum there are tons of threads about all of those topics and people requesting those features. Rather than reskinning stock plugins that already work great, retool some of these other things and just use ilok. The new ilok looks great. I feel like I exist in some weird dystopian shithole where I'm the only one without an ilok grievance and the Leafs outshoot teams 2:1 and still lose. It's a disappointing update for me for sure, it was very frustrating wanting to do things in a certain way and knowing that functionality existed elsewhere. Considering how many people were asking for a lot of those features on the Steinberg forum, I was expecting to see some of those.
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Post by popmann on Dec 8, 2016 13:24:42 GMT -6
Well, some people doing large recording projects don't use quantize panels and hit detection at all. But, see what I mean--it didn't change for the negative. I wish they'd implement my "let me play in free time, detect my tempo, and create a map that's not functionally retarded automagically have the integrated virtual drummer play along". That, I would buy. But, no app seems to want to implement those things. I mean, I can dream up apps--I wish they'd support multitouch that's been available at OS level since Win. With 8 they made the entire everything in GUI resizable for no real reason OTHER than being able to set yourself up to use a Surface type unit....I mean, I can dream up stuff that would be useful all day, if they don't implement it I'll be pissed at them? I've been doing this too long for that. You'd be in a constant state of pissed off. I feel you on waking up in a dystopian shithole...but, for different reasons. ....sorry you feel that way.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 8, 2016 13:38:37 GMT -6
I wish they'd implement my "let me play in free time, detect my tempo, and create a map that's not functionally retarded automagically have the integrated virtual drummer play along". That, I would buy. But, no app seems to want to implement those things. Didn't Logic do this? Or something that incorporates with Logic? wiz used it right?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 8, 2016 13:55:16 GMT -6
I wish Logic didn't seem so illogical to me as it seems to have the most wide ranging features. The process buffer with vsti's in Cubase is the tits for me.
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Post by popmann on Dec 8, 2016 14:48:33 GMT -6
I wish they'd implement my "let me play in free time, detect my tempo, and create a map that's not functionally retarded automagically have the integrated virtual drummer play along". That, I would buy. But, no app seems to want to implement those things. Didn't Logic do this? Or something that incorporates with Logic? wiz used it right? They've come the closest with their "follow" option in the new drummer. I've asked the LogicX users I know, but honestly--they don't even follow me. They stop at "why wouldn't you just play to a click"... I do it now in my antique C6--I just have to use the manual time warp tool to set bar lines fine tuned by ear....I give myself a two bar countoff at "the right" starting tempo....and then just play....I've learned over 25 years of doing this that you just want the bar lines defined. If you try to define subdivisions ultra accurrately you end up with something functionally unusable. In fact the whole thing has given me a new found love of drum machines--meaning preset patterns/fills/loops....because, when they can play to ME....they're much more useful. When you can bend the accenting in real time WHILE it follows like you can in Addictive2....occasionally, I'll play a simple backing TO a click, as audio will follow the tempo map, too--so I can hear the beat AND a bass line play along with my "non clicked" take. Wiz, drop me a line if you've used this....I don't want to derail the C9 thread with Logic talk....I am curious. My point was simply that you can't NEED what you don't have. Literally. You can THINK you need it. You can convince yourself of that....and get piss at Steiny for not implementing it....but, that's just a recipe for being unhappy constantly.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 8, 2016 15:03:13 GMT -6
6) Inexplicably poor performance on Mac OS, I can get logic to record an entire session off the floor but somedays Cubase can't handle a single audio track regardless of settings. Just curious: What audio interface are you using?
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