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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 8:00:00 GMT -6
 TaDa~ ....why, though? Would you buy it if you didn't know the brand of this particular eq? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2016 8:09:09 GMT -6
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 8:19:36 GMT -6
yeah and I was quiet shocked when I saw those photos for the first time. But this thing is on a different level... wasted space lvl 9999.. and it costs $2000 more, ha. |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 24, 2016 8:37:15 GMT -6
You would buy it based on the brainpower that went into it and the way it sounded. Or you could try EQing with some silicon off the beach.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2016 8:40:25 GMT -6
yeah and I was quiet shocked when I saw those photos for the first time. But this thing is on a different level... wasted space lvl 9999.. and it costs $2000 more, ha. I think it has so much space for a couple reasons though. The rotary switches and knobs physically take up a bunch of space on the faceplate. You can't fit that stuff comfortably on a 1 or 2 space unit. I assume the PS is towards the back with the gap in the middle to help keep the power separate from the audio path. FWIW, the Passeq sounds great, but I wouldn't spend $5k on it. |
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 8:45:11 GMT -6
yeah and I was quiet shocked when I saw those photos for the first time. But this thing is on a different level... wasted space lvl 9999.. and it costs $2000 more, ha. I think it has so much space for a couple reasons though. The rotary switches and knobs physically take up a bunch of space on the faceplate. You can't fit that stuff comfortably on a 1 or 2 space unit. I assume the PS is towards the back with the gap in the middle to help keep the power separate from the audio path. FWIW, the Passeq sounds great, but I wouldn't spend $5k on it. Fair reasoning. But then again.. if you are going to charge $7k for something at least try to use that empty space to add more features you know.. does nothing more than a typical stereo eq. |
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 8:46:28 GMT -6
You would buy it based on the brainpower that went into it and the way it sounded. Or you could try EQing with some silicon off the beach. Seen better or equally good sounding eqs with more features and better components for less $$$. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2016 8:50:19 GMT -6
I think it has so much space for a couple reasons though. The rotary switches and knobs physically take up a bunch of space on the faceplate. You can't fit that stuff comfortably on a 1 or 2 space unit. I assume the PS is towards the back with the gap in the middle to help keep the power separate from the audio path. FWIW, the Passeq sounds great, but I wouldn't spend $5k on it. Fair reasoning. But then again.. if you are going to charge $7k for something at least try to use that empty space to add more features you know.. does nothing more than a typical stereo eq. Precision matched switches so both channels match and your frequency and gains are accurate. Precision recall. Those are things that cost a premium. What additional features do you want in a Mastering EQ? |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 24, 2016 8:50:45 GMT -6
Bears little relation. Market effect long term is a different question. If they need to make that mark to keep it in production, they will either get it, or not, and it will be available, or not.
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 8:54:49 GMT -6
Bears little relation. Market effect long term is a different question. If they need to make that mark to keep it in production, they will either get it, or not, and it will be available, or not. which I don't really care about. I am seeing things from a customers point of view. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2016 8:57:17 GMT -6
You would buy it based on the brainpower that went into it and the way it sounded. Or you could try EQing with some silicon off the beach. Seen better or equally good sounding eqs with more features and better components for less $$$. Have you heard the Maselec EQ? What eq's do you think sound better for less? The Buzz is more money. The SPL PQ is more. IBIS is more. Massive Passive and API 5500 are less, but are color pieces. All the clean Mastering eq's go for high dough. |
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 8:58:35 GMT -6
Fair reasoning. But then again.. if you are going to charge $7k for something at least try to use that empty space to add more features you know.. does nothing more than a typical stereo eq. Precision matched switches so both channels match and your frequency and gains are accurate. Precision recall. Those are things that cost a premium. What additional features do you want in a Mastering EQ? M/S matrix, possibility of an in/bypass function for each band would be a good starting point. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2016 9:00:55 GMT -6
Precision matched switches so both channels match and your frequency and gains are accurate. Precision recall. Those are things that cost a premium. What additional features do you want in a Mastering EQ? M/S matrix, possibility of an in/bypass function for each band would be a good starting point. The Millennia is less dough (I think) and has the individual band bypasses. I really enjoyed working with that unit. (Note to self, don't forget the Millennia). |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 24, 2016 9:02:54 GMT -6
Well, that is exactly the part you care about. If it's not good value for you, it won't end up in your arsenal. I can't defend the product, nor do I have a reason to cut it having not heard it. Whether or not I can afford its' price range has nothing to do with whether it would work well in my process. I'm not in mastering, which has very definite needs in terms of recall and accuracy, all being very expensive to do. Look at any product with a mastering version versus a standard, mastering can cost 2x. If you need mastering and buy standard, you are gonna pay that extra mark in lost labor over time.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2016 9:03:06 GMT -6
If we're gonna talk build quality, my TC Phoenix Mastering compressor feels like junk. Terrible feeling switches on that unit.
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 9:04:16 GMT -6
Seen better or equally good sounding eqs with more features and better components for less $$$. Have you heard the Maselec EQ? What eq's do you think sound better for less? The Buzz is more money. The SPL PQ is more. IBIS is more. Massive Passive and API 5500 are less, but are color pieces. All the clean Mastering eq's go for high dough. Yes, I've heard the maselec mea2 and although it sounded good it didn't sound $7k good. Not sure about the IBIS but I had a chance to look at the innards of the Buzz unit and I can understand why it costs so much money. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2016 9:16:44 GMT -6
Have you heard the Maselec EQ? What eq's do you think sound better for less? The Buzz is more money. The SPL PQ is more. IBIS is more. Massive Passive and API 5500 are less, but are color pieces. All the clean Mastering eq's go for high dough. Yes, I've heard the maselec mea2 and although it sounded good it didn't sound $7k good. Not sure about the IBIS but I had a chance to look at the innards of the Buzz unit and I can understand why it costs so much money. I haven't heard anything that sounds $7k good. |
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 9:18:03 GMT -6
Yes, I've heard the maselec mea2 and although it sounded good it didn't sound $7k good. Not sure about the IBIS but I had a chance to look at the innards of the Buzz unit and I can understand why it costs so much money. I haven't heard anything that sounds $7k good. Good point. Me neither.. |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 24, 2016 9:29:24 GMT -6
$7K is a big obstacle if the sole benchmark is 'sounds good'. Too subjective. Does the job needed becomes the larger question as the price goes up.
Unless it's a rare unobtainium piece that by definition must impart some sonic glory, even if it doesn't. Then it can easily cost a lot more, even if it's possible produce a new version for pennies on the dollar relative to the original.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 24, 2016 9:31:58 GMT -6
Yeah. All of this is SO subjective. What is something's worth? If I made $500k a year, a lot of this would be invaluable lol. I guess it just depends if they have a market of rich dudes enough to turn a profit. In my world, right not, other than a mic, nothing is "worth" $7000. Honestly - when an impression on the internet is $.000113, this unit makes no sense whatsoever. It would only take 60 million spins to pay for this.
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Post by jin167 on Nov 24, 2016 9:40:04 GMT -6
past a certain price point 'sounds good' should be a bare minimum requirement. On top of sounding good it should be able to offer extra functionalities that allow its user to achieve more with less time & effort. This particular piece of gear does none of that. IME it sounded like nothing which some people may prefer but to me, a well designed plugin EQ will do the same at the fraction of a cost.
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 24, 2016 10:24:32 GMT -6
Looks like about $4000 profit. I'm not a fan of Evox blue mylar caps for EQ either.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 24, 2016 15:38:23 GMT -6
past a certain price point 'sounds good' should be a bare minimum requirement. On top of sounding good it should be able to offer extra functionalities that allow its user to achieve more with less time & effort. This particular piece of gear does none of that. IME it sounded like nothing which some people may prefer but to me, a well designed plugin EQ will do the same at the fraction of a cost. Do you own the maselec mea-2? |
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Post by Ward on Nov 24, 2016 16:43:42 GMT -6
I was expecting to see some gold bars inside of it... or at least gold plated latinum with a copy of the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 24, 2016 17:56:41 GMT -6
I think it has so much space for a couple reasons though. The rotary switches and knobs physically take up a bunch of space on the faceplate. You can't fit that stuff comfortably on a 1 or 2 space unit. I assume the PS is towards the back with the gap in the middle to help keep the power separate from the audio path. FWIW, the Passeq sounds great, but I wouldn't spend $5k on it. Fair reasoning. But then again.. if you are going to charge $7k for something at least try to use that empty space to add more features you know.. does nothing more than a typical stereo eq. Not if that space is there to eliminate problems caused by inductive coupling. Poor layout is one of the major problems in much of today's less expensive gear. |
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