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Post by swurveman on Nov 22, 2016 17:18:31 GMT -6
I got an email from Sphere Recording Consoles for an offer to buy a used API Vision console for $120k obo. So, out of curiosity I went on the API website. Expecting to see some great studios, at least half or more API Vision's were at colleges and universities. I thought about all the cash colleges and universities have and all the students who will learn on an API Vision and how many then will never mix on one regularly again. My hope is that those cash rich universities will regularly buy new ones and flood the market with their not so old consoles. One can hope....
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Post by ericn on Nov 22, 2016 17:24:50 GMT -6
There was a time when it was the SSL4k every college had to have
Then it was the Avid/ Digidesign Icon, now it's the API Vision. Here is what I'll bet you will find if you dig deep and hard enough- all those schools hired the same consultant ! Larry at API got very very lucky that someone is pushing his desk.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 22, 2016 17:29:56 GMT -6
When I was at Berklee, we had 3 nice, older SSL consoles (2 4000G series and a 6000E), an Icon, and a few older Sony boards. NS10's and Genelecs in all the rooms. All the stuff was in decent working condition. Good stuff, but all pretty industry standard stuff.
After I left, they got at least a couple brand new API consoles and a Duality with all new studio spaces. Barefoot and ATC monitors now (I think). HUGE upgrades to the technology in the program. Huge bucks must have been spent.
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Post by winetree on Nov 22, 2016 17:58:57 GMT -6
The College I taught at had a Neve V72 in Studio A with 2 Studer 827s and protools setup.
Studio B had a Euphonics 3000 console tied to the machine room. Both studios had tie lines to the concert auditorium.
The Studio complex was a professionally designed free standing 10 million dollar building.
The poor schools never have enough money.
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Post by ragan on Nov 22, 2016 18:07:39 GMT -6
Shit. You're guys' academia is ballin!
My wife is a professor and the school's she's taught at are all budget cuts.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 22, 2016 18:19:15 GMT -6
I did my undergrad at Ohio University. They had just installed an RND 5088. Bad ass.
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Post by ericn on Nov 22, 2016 18:28:33 GMT -6
The school I went had a Crate when I started and a I got them to upgrade to a Spirit before I left!
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Post by EmRR on Nov 22, 2016 18:41:37 GMT -6
Let's see, Recording Workshop (there were virtually no college programs anywhere at the time) had an MCI600, a TAC Scorpion, and a Sound Workshop. The DAT machines had just arrived and no one knew how to use them yet. There was a 2 track (Sonic Solutions?) DAW, single station. 2" 24 with the MCI, 2"16 with the Scorpion, 1/2" 8 with the Sound Workshops. Maybe. Been a few days. There was a 1" 16 with maybe a Sony console in another room. Editing room was about a dozen 1/4" 5050's all in the same plane so you could do mad Frippertronics loops across all the machines at once. Classical guys had to sell their electrics and steel strings and swear off all but classical, Jazz guys didn't play rock, etc etc, blah blah blah.
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Post by kilroyrock on Nov 22, 2016 21:56:49 GMT -6
I got to work at tawes theatre at UMD through college. The manager had a PT rig hooked into the stage from the lighting booth. Nothing crazy, but I didn't know what a pro tool was in 2000. He also mixed Elton John back in the day when doing 7 day stints in DC. His record needles cost more than my text books. I blame him for starting my gear addiction.
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Post by levon on Nov 23, 2016 0:16:44 GMT -6
When I went to school during the 1960s and into the 70s, schools had no recording studios, not over here. SSLs, APIs? You gotta be kidding. My school was happy to have a piano, that's it. You guys were lucky. I had to work on my gear addiction all on my own.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 23, 2016 4:22:21 GMT -6
Went to AIMM and graduated, we had the HDX HD I/O Icon setup with jbl 4328p in a very nice but odd pro designed room, Audient 8024 ( very old no bus comp one ) in non pro room literally a classroom. Tie lines to the drum house and separate drum/ live (class) room, piano (class) room, and I can't even remember the monitors in the Audient class room, kinda sad. The auditorium was tied and ran for live sound off a soundcraft, another room designed by a pro had another Soundcraft and krk and 192's and another utility type 8x8 room with an avid Omni and krk.
I feel extremely disappointed compared to the amazing gear you guys got to learn on. I went to school not being a gear snob but knowing what great gear was and remember thinking during the tour ok where is the real studios.... I still made the best out of it and made that old audient pound with drum sounds....Icon is a mouse... HD I/O sound amazing... 192's those are industry standard but leave a lot to be desired from when compared to the HD's... Soundcraft although taking a beating from noob students always have issues with random weird stuff failing and the lesson used to turn to troubleshooting 😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 5:41:58 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 23, 2016 6:25:30 GMT -6
I started there and convinced myself going to music school to be an engineer would be a good idea. Now I pay a mortgage in student loans every month for a useless degree. Luckily, I got a job in IT while I was in school and have a useful skill set now. |
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Post by keymod on Nov 23, 2016 11:11:37 GMT -6
I started there and convinced myself going to music school to be an engineer would be a good idea. Now I pay a mortgage in student loans every month for a useless degree. Luckily, I got a job in IT while I was in school and have a useful skill set now. Yeah, but between Berklee & Chan's you sure have learned well. |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 16, 2016 11:47:09 GMT -6
I went to Duke for a little bit, my student job was to sit around the music library and listen to vinyl records and CDs all day, on the clock! And occasionally fetch something for someone. And goof off on the computer. I discovered Captain Beefheart, Aphex Twin, the Velvet Underground, and on and on in the period of about 2 months. I was begging the boss to give me more shifts.
Also my decent wage was used to buy my first tube amp a Mesa Boogie Rectoverb.
Have to say, I haven't had any job quite like that since.
(On the topic of sweet-ass mixers they had none, it was more of a classical academia composery kind of music program. I did learn some music theory.)
At my second school they had some sort of typical sound reinforcement kind of mixer, but it was a big one. The guy in charge of the recording class kept yelling at us and telling us stories about being messed up on cocaine on these long tours. Any time we would play a demo recording the only thing he would ever say, in front of everyone, was "Would you dance to this? Do you think people would dance to this?" The guy was a broken, broken record. He pointed at the music computers and said, "OK, go figure it out by yourself." By the end of that course nobody was even showing up to the classroom, and he gave everyone A's to try to cover his behind. One of the worst instructors I have ever seen.
I did meet my first band in the hallway of that building. As well as make connections with some other hot local talent that turned into friendships.
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2016 12:34:12 GMT -6
Shit. You're guys' academia is ballin! My wife is a professor and the school's she's taught at are all budget cuts. t of the "audio" schools here are private, meaning no tuition assistance. It's cash money as far as they're concerned. The kids that go are either rich, or on personal loans. As far as the gear, Apple used to go into these schools and populate them full of Macs for FREE, but with the stipulation that the school could ONLY teach on Apple products, and with Apple approved vendor partners, I.E., Avid, digidesign, etc. Teaching PC or non-approved softwares could get ALL of the Macs removed from the school immediately.. So they typically had themselves over a barrel against the mafia-esque Apple tactics.. Of course, this indoctrinates the kids into working with blinders on, coming to believe that Macs were their only choice for serious production, and therefor creating throngs of rabid Apple customers.. Crafty business decision, but morally bereft.. So that being said, I'd still wonder if those other vendors didn't give the schools massive discounts on their gear in order to get them into the hands of prospective future customers.. A console with a retail price of 100K might seem like a lot to "give away", but it's likely more like 15K COGS and the school probably paid cost + commission. IF you can get a couple kids to grow up and buy some gear and consoles, it's worth the loss-leader. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 16, 2016 13:00:57 GMT -6
Shit. You're guys' academia is ballin! My wife is a professor and the school's she's taught at are all budget cuts. t of the "audio" schools here are private, meaning no tuition assistance. It's cash money as far as they're concerned. The kids that go are either rich, or on personal loans. As far as the gear, Apple used to go into these schools and populate them full of Macs for FREE, but with the stipulation that the school could ONLY teach on Apple products, and with Apple approved vendor partners, I.E., Avid, digidesign, etc. Teaching PC or non-approved softwares could get ALL of the Macs removed from the school immediately.. So they typically had themselves over a barrel against the mafia-esque Apple tactics.. Of course, this indoctrinates the kids into working with blinders on, coming to believe that Macs were their only choice for serious production, and therefor creating throngs of rabid Apple customers.. Crafty business decision, but morally bereft.. So that being said, I'd still wonder if those other vendors didn't give the schools massive discounts on their gear in order to get them into the hands of prospective future customers.. A console with a retail price of 100K might seem like a lot to "give away", but it's likely more like 15K COGS and the school probably paid cost + commission. IF you can get a couple kids to grow up and buy some gear and consoles, it's worth the loss-leader. Trust me Larry never cut that good a deal ! The Apple story is true, but over the years many large Non Profit Universities built some of the larger audio programs and have those big API's Tradition Universities are built on the backbone of giving, Buildings have plaques with the names of the uhber rich and the filthy rich like their names on things to , I'm sure you will find name plates on all those big Visions. |
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Post by swurveman on Dec 16, 2016 13:05:42 GMT -6
Shit. You're guys' academia is ballin! My wife is a professor and the school's she's taught at are all budget cuts. t of the "audio" schools here are private, meaning no tuition assistance. It's cash money as far as they're concerned. The kids that go are either rich, or on personal loans. As far as the gear, Apple used to go into these schools and populate them full of Macs for FREE, but with the stipulation that the school could ONLY teach on Apple products, and with Apple approved vendor partners, I.E., Avid, digidesign, etc. Teaching PC or non-approved softwares could get ALL of the Macs removed from the school immediately.. So they typically had themselves over a barrel against the mafia-esque Apple tactics.. Of course, this indoctrinates the kids into working with blinders on, coming to believe that Macs were their only choice for serious production, and therefor creating throngs of rabid Apple customers.. Crafty business decision, but morally bereft.. So that being said, I'd still wonder if those other vendors didn't give the schools massive discounts on their gear in order to get them into the hands of prospective future customers.. A console with a retail price of 100K might seem like a lot to "give away", but it's likely more like 15K COGS and the school probably paid cost + commission. IF you can get a couple kids to grow up and buy some gear and consoles, it's worth the loss-leader. I just had a friend on Facebook posting about how his son had realized his dream by getting admitted to Full Sail. I thought, "be careful what you wish for". LOL |
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2016 13:20:27 GMT -6
Most of the "audio" schools here are private, meaning no tuition assistance. It's cash money as far as they're concerned. The kids that go are either rich, or on personal loans. As far as the gear, Apple used to go into these schools and populate them full of Macs for FREE, but with the stipulation that the school could ONLY teach on Apple products, and with Apple approved vendor partners, I.E., Avid, digidesign, etc. Teaching PC or non-approved softwares could get ALL of the Macs removed from the school immediately.. So they typically had themselves over a barrel against the mafia-esque Apple tactics.. Of course, this indoctrinates the kids into working with blinders on, coming to believe that Macs were their only choice for serious production, and therefor creating throngs of rabid Apple customers.. Crafty business decision, but morally bereft.. So that being said, I'd still wonder if those other vendors didn't give the schools massive discounts on their gear in order to get them into the hands of prospective future customers.. A console with a retail price of 100K might seem like a lot to "give away", but it's likely more like 15K COGS and the school probably paid cost + commission. IF you can get a couple kids to grow up and buy some gear and consoles, it's worth the loss-leader. I just had a friend on Facebook posting about how his son had realized his dream by getting admitted to Full Sail. I thought, "be careful what you wish for". LOL I know of more than a few kids who racked up 60-80K of personal debt going to FS.. One that I knew personally is now a barista at Starbucks after being turned down by every studio in the city after his graduation.. Occasionally he'll pick up a live sound job or the odd session at a small studio, but nothing like he imagined (and was sold on by the school).. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 16, 2016 13:38:50 GMT -6
Even back in 1990, Recording Workshop was full of disgruntled people who left Full Sail after a semester.
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Post by ericn on Dec 16, 2016 14:02:11 GMT -6
I just had a friend on Facebook posting about how his son had realized his dream by getting admitted to Full Sail. I thought, "be careful what you wish for". LOL I know of more than a few kids who racked up 60-80K of personal debt going to FS.. One that I knew personally is now a barista at Starbucks after being turned down by every studio in the city after his graduation.. Occasionally he'll pick up a live sound job or the odd session at a small studio, but nothing like he imagined (and was sold on by the school).. Hey Starbucks is a record label so their industry job placement stats look good !😎 I never graduated from the college I attended, but the school used Salery figures for years to boost their stats, one of my freinds worked in the presidents office. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 16, 2016 14:14:08 GMT -6
Shit. You're guys' academia is ballin! My wife is a professor and the school's she's taught at are all budget cuts. t of the "audio" schools here are private, meaning no tuition assistance. It's cash money as far as they're concerned. The kids that go are either rich, or on personal loans. As far as the gear, Apple used to go into these schools and populate them full of Macs for FREE, but with the stipulation that the school could ONLY teach on Apple products, and with Apple approved vendor partners, I.E., Avid, digidesign, etc. Teaching PC or non-approved softwares could get ALL of the Macs removed from the school immediately.. So they typically had themselves over a barrel against the mafia-esque Apple tactics.. Of course, this indoctrinates the kids into working with blinders on, coming to believe that Macs were their only choice for serious production, and therefor creating throngs of rabid Apple customers.. Crafty business decision, but morally bereft.. So that being said, I'd still wonder if those other vendors didn't give the schools massive discounts on their gear in order to get them into the hands of prospective future customers.. A console with a retail price of 100K might seem like a lot to "give away", but it's likely more like 15K COGS and the school probably paid cost + commission. IF you can get a couple kids to grow up and buy some gear and consoles, it's worth the loss-leader. Sounds like where I went not a PC in sight, they even offered " free Mbp and NI Komplete with other SW " after I graduated. Of course what they don't tell you is that you are still paying for the mbp and SW, just cost vs retail and it's lumped in with the final tuition costs... nothing is free... Oh, and them paying you to clean up trash was considered a successful position in the industry 😂😅😭 |
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Post by schmalzy on Dec 16, 2016 14:16:58 GMT -6
I started with one of these things a while back. Probably 2004.  I was the only person who could figure out all the knobs on a live mixer board so I was the person who had to run the VS1680 (the band got it and some other pieces like the dreaded C-1000 from an estate sale). I always liked running live sound (the little I got to do it when my punk band played in a country town/state) and I just figured recording was the thing rich people got to do so I had never considered it. Of course, the only time I used the VS1680 was when the band wanted to record sooooo...I didn't REALLY start recording anything with any seriousness or ambition until 2013 - and even then it was just to produce my own work. Over time, I decided I wanted to help/burden others with my "talents." And now I'm here. Aren't you all SO lucky? |
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2016 14:22:02 GMT -6
I've been recording for 21 years now.. I almost have the basics down.
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Post by ericn on Dec 16, 2016 14:27:46 GMT -6
I've been recording for 21 years now.. I almost have the basics down. Let me know when you get there ! But nobody know more about sewer robots! |
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