Bought KT in 2009, released 1176 clone in 2016... Yep, they're definitely attempting exactly what you describe.
You can't get something for nothing. There's always a price. "Economies of scale" is no exception.
You keep repeating the same things, but apparently the KT 1176 sounds the same as UA and Urei units. Mission accomplished, and for cheaper than anyone else => better economies of scale than anyone else.
So where do the deficient transformers come in? Did you want it to sound 'better' than the original? Or you think replacing the transformers in these units with Cinemag, will make them sound even more the same?
You're also making sweeping generalisations, comparing boutique to mass market low-end China wares. If you think they're incapable of making a good transformer, you have a very poor understanding of Chinese capabilities. It's the clients of Chinese factories who demand cheap transformers. It's these clients who demand something for nothing, and the Chinese give them exactly what they want.
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Actually I remember seeing made in China on Samson, Harman and DBX before Behringer, so Uhl wasn't the first of that either.
You remember seeing Made in China on gear in the 1980's? Not so sure about that. 90's yes, 80's no.
early 90's before Harmanbought AKG.
China is as capeable of makeing anything at the same quality as anybody else if given the parameters. They have Copied many of the worlds favorite loudspeaker drivers, they differ from the originals in price and virtually eliminating rejects. What keeps them from dominating the audio Transformer Buisness is 2 factors First the exceptence of brand names, second Most of China's manufacturers are not set up for the small runs that are the norm in the audio Buisness. This is where Warm was an innovator, Nobody building La2, 1176, 312 or Pultec clones had the capital or guts to bet the farm on a large quantity production run that would bring the price down to where Warm is at. Behring built a City around its factories , has the Capital and the guts to redesign these classics and a Worldwide distribution system set up to move the products and a fairly unused at this point Brand to use as a Mid priced channel to distinguish them from Behringer! I'll bet if Warm had brought out the KT SMT redesign at KT's price they would have been a flop! The market expects a more traditional execution from the little guy, From Uhli, many have lowered expectations & many see only the price.
"While Behringer products were manufactured in Willich, Germany, many of the individual components were imported from mainland China. In 1990, to lower production costs, Behringer shifted production from West Germany to mainland China."
Interesting conversation:resonates for me ironically cus like 5 years ago when I bought my used chameleon labs 7802 I mentioned this in an email to Bryce at warm he congratulated me but immediately recommended I contact David at Cinemag to upgrade the transformers essentially for the reasons stated above. David then made me some custom transformers as he said he had always wanted to for a tube based circuit. ok by me mr nobody getting some custom Cinemag transformers made !:) Bryce recommended what he called zebra 50/50 steel/nickel:sounded smooth and clear !
Big props to Cinemag from me. Great company to deal with even as a small time customer. Also very fairly priced for what you get. I've got their iron in one microphone, and two mic preamps, with plans for a few more down the road.
"The company is currently building a large new complex, that is currently the largest industrial undertaking in Zhongshan, China. The complex will house a new factory and dormitories for up to 10,000 workers."
I hope they take a leaf out of Apple's corporate manufacturing strategy and include bars on the factory windows to stop the workers jumping out!