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Post by jeromemason on Nov 3, 2016 20:25:13 GMT -6
Transformers play a big role in the sound of gear like Pultecs and other tube circuits. It can be the "blanket off the speakers" between two different versions.
I've never heard Midas transformers, doesn't mean they didn't do a good job at choosing quality core material and original winding specs. Now, I have heard plenty of Cinemags and that's a company I trust, they do a wonderful job.
IMO on eq points, things have changed since they first created the Pultec, because of digital we reach for other frequencies than they did back in the day of vinyl and tape. If a company is smart, they'll tune these simple circuits to mesh with the world we live in today, that's certainly what Pultec was doing back when they created it.
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2016 20:34:45 GMT -6
Transformers play a big role in the sound of gear like Pultecs and other tube circuits. It can be the "blanket off the speakers" between two different versions. I've never heard Midas transformers, doesn't mean they didn't do a good job at choosing quality core material and original winding specs. Now, I have heard plenty of Cinemags and that's a company I trust, they do a wonderful job. IMO on eq points, things have changed since they first created the Pultec, because of digital we reach for other frequencies than they did back in the day of vinyl and tape. If a company is smart, they'll tune these simple circuits to mesh with the world we live in today, that's certainly what Pultec was doing back when they created it. Every Midas or DDA I have seen that had transformer's either had the little Beyerdynamic or Neutrik's, Midas transformers are a development of the new owners. the proof is in the iron, we got to hear one to know!
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 4, 2016 9:51:53 GMT -6
I guess I'd draw the line at copying the copy, but even then, I only draw it to a certain price point. Below that I'm thankful I can afford one Re-inventing existing wheels may be good for one's bank account but it does little in forwarding research for greater results. I liken it to watching MJ do the moon walk.
I'd rather use my talents for new designs and pushing envelopes, not a safe return to the past designs. "Been there, done that" comes to mind every time I see a new Urei, Neve or API clone.
In that regard, there is no silver bullet, the future belongs to the future. It's coming whether you like it or not.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 4, 2016 10:36:30 GMT -6
Thank you jeromemason and ericn that's all I was asking about is the quality of the Midas transformers and the role they play in HW like this... jakeharris I don't know why you feel the need to continue to quote me regarding KT... I am not in Live Sound... I'm sorry I have not heard of KT... If you don't like Cinemag/ Reichenbach / Jensen family transformers that's cool with me... If you do not like Warm Audio that's fine with me as well. I hope you have HW or SW you enjoy from which ever company it may be... Can you name a pultec eqp-1a clone that had 200, 400, & 800 Hz added to the LF before Warm Audio designed their version as such? I had never seen those frequencies implemented... Do you use gear from BAE? AMS-Neve? Heritage Audio? UA? Great River? New API? CAPI? Chandler LTD? TFunk EA/ USA? Flea? Wunder? All of these companies use circuits and known builds from past companies and clone, or improve, reissue, build upon and modify their gear based on.... For me, I was asking about the quality of the components and the sound of the KT unit....I have a tight budget and research meticulously before purchasing because I don't have a pro audio store local and don't have credit cards... jakeharris have a good day making/ mixing/ enjoying music
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2016 11:15:00 GMT -6
All of these companies use circuits and known builds from past companies and clone, or improve, reissue, build upon and modify their gear based on.... Well of course! And every Fender amp was based on old Western Electric circuit designs, and Marshalls and Boogie were based on Fenders and Ceriatones, Friedmans, Soldanos, and more were based on Marshalls. It's an evolution of design, not a revolution of design. Whether comps, preamps, guitar amps or other electronic designs in our world.
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Post by kilroyrock on Nov 4, 2016 11:30:02 GMT -6
I guess I'd draw the line at copying the copy, but even then, I only draw it to a certain price point. Below that I'm thankful I can afford one Re-inventing existing wheels may be good for one's bank account but it does little in forwarding research for greater results. I liken it to watching MJ do the moon walk.
I'd rather use my talents for new designs and pushing envelopes, not a safe return to the past designs. "Been there, done that" comes to mind every time I see a new Urei, Neve or API clone.
In that regard, there is no silver bullet, the future belongs to the future. It's coming whether you like it or not.
And you, sir, are doing great things. That pip chip in the diyre colour pre is the cleanest, quietest preamp I've ever heard.
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2016 11:34:38 GMT -6
Thank you jeromemason and ericn that's all I was asking about is the quality of the Midas transformers and the role they play in HW like this... jakeharris I don't know why you feel the need to continue to quote me regarding KT... I am not in Live Sound... I'm sorry I have not heard of KT... If you don't like Cinemag/ Reichenbach / Jensen family transformers that's cool with me... If you do not like Warm Audio that's fine with me as well. I hope you have HW or SW you enjoy from which ever company it may be... Can you name a pultec eqp-1a clone that had 200, 400, & 800 Hz added to the LF before Warm Audio designed their version as such? I had never seen those frequencies implemented... Do you use gear from BAE? AMS-Neve? Heritage Audio? UA? Great River? New API? CAPI? Chandler LTD? TFunk EA/ USA? Flea? Wunder? All of these companies use circuits and known builds from past companies and clone, or improve, reissue, build upon and modify their gear based on.... For me, I was asking about the quality of the components and the sound of the KT unit....I have a tight budget and research meticulously before purchasing because I don't have a pro audio store local and don't have credit cards... jakeharris have a good day making/ mixing/ enjoying music Some where out their on the net is a PDF of the history of KT/ Midas/ DDA. KT is best known for building What until the recent Exceptance of digital live boards was/ is the defacto Standard Graphic EQ for live, high-end install and studio tuning. They acquired numerous other small companies along the way developing a universally excepted line of of signal prossors. At one point they were the distributor of the only other Graphic to be as universally excepted and one of my Faves the BSS FCS 960. They were later bought by EV/ Mark IV. Terry Klark one of the founders would latter start XTA , lovely Graphic and Digital drive rack type systems (XTA is / has been used by many Top PA and large Scale Monitor manufactures including Quested and Turbosound) Terry would also later start MC2 builder of Power AMps for studio monitors and PA. At one point Turbosound Quested and MC2 were all located in the same building and MC2 amps can be found as OEM's for Quested , Turbosound and Dynaudio. Man like Jonathan Lipp I spent way to much time reading and listening. It also helps when you have known long time Turbosound/ Quested & MC2 former US distributor Since Childhood!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 11:41:31 GMT -6
The thing that always amazes me is how "right" the original designers got the Pultec's and La's etc... 40 odd years on and we haven't really moved forward only sideways... and now vinyls back big time ....
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Post by wiz on Nov 4, 2016 13:34:25 GMT -6
I guess I'd draw the line at copying the copy, but even then, I only draw it to a certain price point. Below that I'm thankful I can afford one Re-inventing existing wheels may be good for one's bank account but it does little in forwarding research for greater results. I liken it to watching MJ do the moon walk.
I'd rather use my talents for new designs and pushing envelopes, not a safe return to the past designs. "Been there, done that" comes to mind every time I see a new Urei, Neve or API clone.
In that regard, there is no silver bullet, the future belongs to the future. It's coming whether you like it or not.
I agree... and no more than in computer land. Its a little sad we have so many plug in clones of stuff 50 years old.. and so little effort into making the creative part easier and less cumbersome. cheers Wiz
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2016 15:32:57 GMT -6
The thing that always amazes me is how "right" the original designers got the Pultec's and La's etc... 40 odd years on and we haven't really moved forward only sideways... and now vinyls back big time .... A very big part of that is the guys who designed and sold them used them! Even today the stuff that sounds best is stuff where guys who use them are behind the decisions not accountants!
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2016 15:39:12 GMT -6
Re-inventing existing wheels may be good for one's bank account but it does little in forwarding research for greater results. I liken it to watching MJ do the moon walk.
I'd rather use my talents for new designs and pushing envelopes, not a safe return to the past designs. "Been there, done that" comes to mind every time I see a new Urei, Neve or API clone.
In that regard, there is no silver bullet, the future belongs to the future. It's coming whether you like it or not.
I agree... and no more than in computer land. Its a little sad we have so many plug in clones of stuff 50 years old.. and so little effort into making the creative part easier and less cumbersome. cheers Wiz That's my biggest problem with plugins, as nice as it is to run a ok imitation 1176 on almost everything and having recall, I don't need 14 different ok interpretations of the 1176! With all the possibilities to do things you can't do in analog why is everybody still trying to build another digital 1176 ! Son OZ is one of the few that pretty much tries to do what digital can do!
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Post by Guitar on Nov 15, 2016 16:16:01 GMT -6
Personally, I welcome competition in pro audio. Let's see who can do it best, or offer the best value and total customer experience. I am happy to see KT marketing these new products.
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Post by jakeharris on Nov 16, 2016 5:38:37 GMT -6
Personally, I welcome competition in pro audio. Let's see who can do it best, or offer the best value and total customer experience. I am happy to see KT marketing these new products. The voice of reason...
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Post by hadaja on Jun 7, 2017 7:17:59 GMT -6
So did anyone buy one?
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 7, 2017 7:28:42 GMT -6
I posted in the KT1176 thread but yes, I have one. Slapped it on my kick and then sold my pair of A designs EM-peq500 since it did pretty much what I was using those for. I plan to get another. They sound great, solid build, knobs feel good, just like with the kt1176 they did a great job at an amazing price.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 7, 2017 7:39:41 GMT -6
I posted in the KT1176 thread but yes, I have one. Slapped it on my kick and then sold my pair of A designs EM-peq500 since it did pretty much what I was using those for. I plan to get another. They sound great, solid build, knobs feel good, just like with the kt1176 they did a great job at an amazing price. Who did you buy these things from?
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 7, 2017 7:48:19 GMT -6
I posted in the KT1176 thread but yes, I have one. Slapped it on my kick and then sold my pair of A designs EM-peq500 since it did pretty much what I was using those for. I plan to get another. They sound great, solid build, knobs feel good, just like with the kt1176 they did a great job at an amazing price. Who did you buy these things from? My local rep.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 7, 2017 8:15:21 GMT -6
Who did you buy these things from? My local rep. Ahh, cool. I'll give him a call.
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 7, 2017 9:13:06 GMT -6
Ahh, cool. I'll give him a call. David Henderson or Peter Solak since it looks like you are in New England. If you need contact info shoot me a pm.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 7, 2017 9:16:56 GMT -6
Ahh, cool. I'll give him a call. David Henderson or Peter Solak since it looks like you are in New England. If you need contact info shoot me a pm. Found it. Thanks a lot. -Jesse
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 7, 2017 15:48:49 GMT -6
David Henderson or Peter Solak since it looks like you are in New England. If you need contact info shoot me a pm. Found it. Thanks a lot. -Jesse Wow people really got mad at me in this thread for asking about the quality of these new KT units lol.. I had never heard of KT analog gear.. jcoutu1 how is the 76 ! Do you to want to purchase these Eq's?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 7, 2017 17:52:55 GMT -6
Found it. Thanks a lot. -Jesse Wow people really got mad at me in this thread for asking about the quality of these new KT units lol.. I had never heard of KT analog gear.. jcoutu1 how is the 76 ! Do you to want to purchase these Eq's? Didn't get to fire it up yet, hopefully tonight. Feels good and looks solid. I tried to buy a pair of the eq's the other day, but missed a deal.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 7, 2017 18:19:59 GMT -6
So these are $499 a piece for the Eq and the 1176?
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Post by Guitar on Jun 7, 2017 22:27:31 GMT -6
So these are $499 a piece for the Eq and the 1176? Apparently so... Look out, Warm Audio.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 7, 2017 23:50:51 GMT -6
So these are $499 a piece for the Eq and the 1176? Apparently so... Look out, Warm Audio. Yes for new customers looking for units and yes it is stiff competition for Warm, looking forward to jcoutu1 info / comparison ... If KT made live sound/ digital gear and it's top notch, how long have they been making analog hardware? I looked it up and couldn't find info. This is a guess, but I imagine Music Group/ Behringer to manufacture their own cases and components in their own facilities. Also their production runs is prob another reason why they are now cheaper at retail. I swear they were $599 for the kt76 and $699 for the KT pultec when they first released. I am seeing new units for $499 even on eBay lol.
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