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Post by hadaja on Jun 13, 2017 7:54:00 GMT -6
I sold my WA76 and I have a 1176-kt on the way with possibly an EQP-kt to follow very shortly. I think a 3 year warranty with no wall wart and better knobs and I think the KT might have an advantage. When they arrive I guess I will know soon enough.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 13, 2017 8:27:23 GMT -6
I sold my WA76 and I have a 1176-kt on the way with possibly an EQP-kt to follow very shortly. I think a 3 year warranty with no wall wart and better knobs and I think the KT might have an advantage. When they arrive I guess I will know soon enough. I was going to buy a pair of the Pultecs, but the store wouldn't honor a sale they had posted, so I bailed on them. Ended up grabbing a pair of the new DIYRE eq's instead, but might grab one of the KT's still too.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 13, 2017 14:00:49 GMT -6
Rem: warm audio warranties
Warm def stands behind their products regardless of warranty is valid or not. Warm has great customer service.
Also I am interested in the power supply discussion and it seems from Reading and researching, it is better to have external power supply so idk if internal power supply will be " better "..
Have experienced flimsy UA 1176 knobs as well...
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Post by john on Jun 13, 2017 14:14:16 GMT -6
Chase is correct. I just had Warm provide excellent support far out of warranty. Handled by Bryce himself.
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Post by ragan on Jun 13, 2017 14:59:36 GMT -6
Above and beyond that I like Warm gear, I too love the service. I usually get a reply from Bryce within an hour. Definitely within a day and he takes care of anything. The sonics and that support keeps a lot of Warm stuff in my rack.
That's to say nothing negative about the KT stuff. Seems like it's a great deal and people are digging it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 13, 2017 14:59:50 GMT -6
FWIW, I'm not trying to slag the Warm units. I have much more expensive units with cheap feeling stepped pots too.
As for the internal vs. External power supply debate, I could care less which is technically "better". The line lump supplies are a pain if you ever travel with them. I want all my stuff to use the same AC cable. One less thing to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 15:37:08 GMT -6
I also agree that Warm's customer service is pretty amazing. Not only do they respond to emails very quickly, but one time I was troubleshooting an issue with an EQP-WA on a Saturday and Chad returned my email in 10 minutes and continued to patiently respond to another 3 or 4 back and forth emails in the same timely manner until the issue was resolved. Hard to find other manufacturers who will do that on a weekend.
As much as I'm tempted to pick up the KT-1176, I'm going to wait until the units have been in the field for at least a year to see if any issues with them or KT's service pops up. Chad also told me that the first 1000 units of the WA76 had an input sensitivity issue that was fixed in the next batch so I'm glad I waited on that too.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 13, 2017 16:13:50 GMT -6
Midas (Music Group) support has been shit. I haven't had any issues with my console, but questions via their forum and emails go unanswered.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 13, 2017 16:23:44 GMT -6
Midas (Music Group) support has been shit. I haven't had any issues with my console, but questions via their forum and emails go unanswered. Yikes ... I really hope your console doesn't have any issues... I did not feel you were slagging the warm units.. I also think for the money the KT is a good buy and if you say the sound is there I believe you. I have been vocal in spreading the word recommending ppl to buy the new KT 76 & EQ B stocks for $425 from authorized dealer! I just know when buying Warm Audio the excellent customer service is worth the extra cost and instills a " peace of mind "
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Post by ericn on Jun 13, 2017 17:18:48 GMT -6
Yeah I think Warm is probably worth the extra for simply having a system in place for when shit happens and handling it quickly and realativly painlessly. I don't know of anyone who ever said Music Group and Great Customer Support in the same breath, plus I see the Warm as a better platform for repairs and mods! But the lack of Walmart and the price of the KT....
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2017 17:59:27 GMT -6
Seems like a hard sell to me. Smart move not branding it Behringer, but with the Warm unit coming in at the same price, I can't imagine a lot of guys buying this, relatively unknown to studio guys at least, companies product. Speaking of Behringer though, why is it that they got so much flack for copying all these designs and offering them for low bucks when Warm does the same thing, just with more expensive products and they're looked at as a savior? Because they're doing it under the name of a really famous and formerly highly respected company that wouldn't have been caught dead stooping to something like cloning another company's products. And K-T is a lot more well know than you appear to realize. Or at least was up until quite recently. If you wanted a quality graphic EQ you bought a Klark. If it's less wel;l known in studios at all it's only because graphic EQs aren't all that popular in studios.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2017 18:05:08 GMT -6
Midas (Music Group) support has been shit. I haven't had any issues with my console, but questions via their forum and emails go unanswered. Behringer does not have a good rep for customer support.
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Post by john on Jun 13, 2017 18:07:15 GMT -6
I also agree that Warm's customer service is pretty amazing. Not only do they respond to emails very quickly, but one time I was troubleshooting an issue with an EQP-WA on a Saturday and Chad returned my email in 10 minutes and continued to patiently respond to another 3 or 4 back and forth emails in the same timely manner until the issue was resolved. Hard to find other manufacturers who will do that on a weekend. Yes! I once emailed Chad at 1030 on a Friday night thinking Ill hear back on Monday. I got an email back within 30 minutes and had back and forth convo for an hour.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2017 18:07:54 GMT -6
Midas (Music Group) support has been shit. I haven't had any issues with my console, but questions via their forum and emails go unanswered. Yikes ... I really hope your console doesn't have any issues... I did not feel you were slagging the warm units.. I also think for the money the KT is a good buy and if you say the sound is there I believe you. I have been vocal in spreading the word recommending ppl to buy the new KT 76 & EQ B stocks for $425 from authorized dealer! I just know when buying Warm Audio the excellent customer service is worth the extra cost and instills a " peace of mind " I'm betting the Warm holds its value better. Uli's products don't generally have vey good resale value.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 13, 2017 18:09:00 GMT -6
Seems like a hard sell to me. Smart move not branding it Behringer, but with the Warm unit coming in at the same price, I can't imagine a lot of guys buying this, relatively unknown to studio guys at least, companies product. Speaking of Behringer though, why is it that they got so much flack for copying all these designs and offering them for low bucks when Warm does the same thing, just with more expensive products and they're looked at as a savior? Because they're doing it under the name of a really famous and formerly highly respected company that wouldn't have been caught dead stooping to something like cloning another company's products. And K-T is a lot more well know than you appear to realize. Or at least was up until quite recently. If you wanted a quality graphic EQ you bought a Klark. If it's less wel;l known in studios at all it's only because graphic EQs aren't all that popular in studios. My comment was about Behringer getting flack for cloning gear (like the old Drawmer rip off), but other "boutique" cloners not getting flack. Not related to KT cheapening their brand. Also, I'm hip to KT, their products, and their pedigree. I do most of my work in live sound.
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Post by ericn on Jun 13, 2017 18:23:39 GMT -6
Because they're doing it under the name of a really famous and formerly highly respected company that wouldn't have been caught dead stooping to something like cloning another company's products. And K-T is a lot more well know than you appear to realize. Or at least was up until quite recently. If you wanted a quality graphic EQ you bought a Klark. If it's less wel;l known in studios at all it's only because graphic EQs aren't all that popular in studios. My comment was about Behringer getting flack for cloning gear (like the old Drawmer rip off), but other "boutique" cloners not getting flack. Not related to KT cheapening their brand. Also, I'm hip to KT, their product s, and their pedigree. I do most of my work in live sound. [ Behringer got flack because they were copying gear still protected by patents and Trademarks, to the extent that the PCB of Behringer were such good copies they had the Name Aphex and Aphex part number on the board. They were never found guilty in court because they would settle out of court and admit no wrong doing! Cloning gear where the original manufacturer ceased production years ago & a new company has been formed with the old name is very different.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 13, 2017 18:26:30 GMT -6
My comment was about Behringer getting flack for cloning gear (like the old Drawmer rip off), but other "boutique" cloners not getting flack. Not related to KT cheapening their brand. Also, I'm hip to KT, their product s, and their pedigree. I do most of my work in live sound. [ Behringer got flack because they were copying gear still protected by patents and Trademarks, to the extent that the PCB of Behringer were such good copies they had the Name Aphex and Aphex part number on the board. They were never found guilty in court because they would settle out of court and admit no wrong doing! Cloning gear where the original manufacturer ceased production years ago & a new company has been formed with the old name is very different. UA is still making an 1176 though. When did Purple make theirs? 20 years ago? Were they the first?
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Post by ericn on Jun 13, 2017 18:37:57 GMT -6
Seems like a hard sell to me. Smart move not branding it Behringer, but with the Warm unit coming in at the same price, I can't imagine a lot of guys buying this, relatively unknown to studio guys at least, companies product. Speaking of Behringer though, why is it that they got so much flack for copying all these designs and offering them for low bucks when Warm does the same thing, just with more expensive products and they're looked at as a savior? Because they're doing it under the name of a really famous and formerly highly respected company that wouldn't have been caught dead stooping to something like cloning another company's products. And K-T is a lot more well know than you appear to realize. Or at least was up until quite recently. If you wanted a quality graphic EQ you bought a Klark. If it's less wel;l known in studios at all it's only because graphic EQs aren't all that popular in studios. EVI , Telex , Bosch screwed the pooch when it came to keeping KT relevant, KT was very live, Broadcast highend install centered. In addition the fact that in a modern rig all of what were KT boxes are now in the amps or console EVI was doing great in the live world for a while by giving great lease deals when you bought their line array amps a couple of Midas and racks of KT, but when dB went belly up and their inventory was cleared out suddenly their was a huge amount of well maintained EVI gear to be had for very little Telex hadn't introduced thing new so people bought used. Without dB doing National tours with their gear Midas was the only member of the family to stay relevant and rider friendly.
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Post by ericn on Jun 13, 2017 18:41:30 GMT -6
[ Behringer got flack because they were copying gear still protected by patents and Trademarks, to the extent that the PCB of Behringer were such good copies they had the Name Aphex and Aphex part number on the board. They were never found guilty in court because they would settle out of court and admit no wrong doing! Cloning gear where the original manufacturer ceased production years ago & a new company has been formed with the old name is very different. UA is still making an 1176 though. When did Purple make theirs? 20 years ago? Were they the first? UA isn't still makeing 1176's a New Company Named UA is again makeing 1176's . Urei/UA was bought by Harman and pretty much shuttered in the late 80's early 90's. Purple was the first 76 reproduction late 80's.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 13, 2017 18:51:59 GMT -6
UA is still making an 1176 though. When did Purple make theirs? 20 years ago? Were they the first? UA isn't still makeing 1176's a New Company Named UA is again makeing 1176's . Urei/UA was bought by Harman and pretty much shuttered in the late 80's early 90's. Purple was the first 76 reproduction late 80's. I assumed UA purchased UREI and held the rights/assets and started selling the reissues. Is it just that the patent ran out and UA ran with it? Was the Purple around before the UA reissue?
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Post by ericn on Jun 13, 2017 19:02:21 GMT -6
UA isn't still makeing 1176's a New Company Named UA is again makeing 1176's . Urei/UA was bought by Harman and pretty much shuttered in the late 80's early 90's. Purple was the first 76 reproduction late 80's. I assumed UA purchased UREI and held the rights/assets and started selling the reissues. Is it just that the patent ran out and UA ran with it? Was the Purple around before the UA reissue? Purple was the reason the Putnam Kids Bought the UA Name back from Harman, I was suprised Harman didn't reissue all the old Urei stuff. Some say the numbers weren't big enough but At that point, before Every car had the option of a Stereo with a famous name they had Levinson and Madrigal. I think Sidney just didn't like old stuff. Purple 1176 ,Anthony Demaria LA2, EAR & Manley Pultec were all building the stuff we could no longer get, they weren't Clones everybody who followed were the clones.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2017 21:52:20 GMT -6
Because they're doing it under the name of a really famous and formerly highly respected company that wouldn't have been caught dead stooping to something like cloning another company's products. And K-T is a lot more well know than you appear to realize. Or at least was up until quite recently. If you wanted a quality graphic EQ you bought a Klark. If it's less wel;l known in studios at all it's only because graphic EQs aren't all that popular in studios. My comment was about Behringer getting flack for cloning gear (like the old Drawmer rip off), but other "boutique" cloners not getting flack. Not related to KT cheapening their brand. Also, I'm hip to KT, their products, and their pedigree. I do most of my work in live sound. Well, "boutique" cloners hopefully will do a better job than a cut rate Chinese mass production job using cheap bulk purchased generic components. And K-T is is NOT an indie, one or two man "boutique" operation. This isn't a labor of love it's a labor of profit, milking the market as hard as possible.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2017 22:01:26 GMT -6
UA isn't still makeing 1176's a New Company Named UA is again makeing 1176's . Urei/UA was bought by Harman and pretty much shuttered in the late 80's early 90's. Purple was the first 76 reproduction late 80's. I assumed UA purchased UREI and held the rights/assets and started selling the reissues. Is it just that the patent ran out and UA ran with it? Was the Purple around before the UA reissue? The patents ran out a LONG time ago - before Purple started production. Unlike copyright, a patent is only good for something like 17 years. (Why is why some companies don't file patents and rely on "trade secrets".) I believe that it's possible to get a limited patent extension (and only if) you make "significant improvements" to the original design. I don't know whether the extension then covers the complete, improved design, or if it only covers the upgrades though, nor do I know the duration of the extension of what constitutes a "sufficient upgrade". Could this be why there are so any revisions of the 1176? Who knows? The current UA didn't need to purchase UREI from Harman to get the right because the patents were long expired and in the public domain. The only thing to be obtained by purchasing UREI from Harman is the name "UREI". Not a huge amount of value there.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 14, 2017 5:39:27 GMT -6
My comment was about Behringer getting flack for cloning gear (like the old Drawmer rip off), but other "boutique" cloners not getting flack. Not related to KT cheapening their brand. Also, I'm hip to KT, their products, and their pedigree. I do most of my work in live sound. Well, "boutique" cloners hopefully will do a better job than a cut rate Chinese mass production job using cheap bulk purchased generic components. And K-T is is NOT an indie, one or two man "boutique" operation. This isn't a labor of love it's a labor of profit, milking the market as hard as possible. Even in the post you quoted, I mention how I'm not talking about KT. We get it, you're upset that KT isn't what it used to me. You've made it perfectly clear in 2 threads now. You're beating a dead horse. As Eric has said a number of times, the market for KT has dried up. Permanent install, live sound, analog processing is dying. Digital boards are taking over the market and providing most of the processing. Either KT shut it's doors completely, or they get swallowed up by Music Group and stay open as a shell of themselves and try some products with more general mass appeal. When their 76 and eq hit the market, they were selling at the same prices as Warm, and probably not selling many. They seem to have since dropped their prices, could be temporary or permanent, but the new price point is more appealing for a "new (in the home studio world)" company without a track record. I paid $385 for a used Klark 76. I don't care what it's made out of (including the Midas branded (probably) Chinese transformers), it sounds good and the price is right. What brand of 76 should I have purchased hashed in your eyes? The Warm (also Chinese made, so I doubt it), the UA at 4x the price, a vintage unit at 10x or more? This unit will make my tracks sound better at a reasonable price. What more can you ask for?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 14, 2017 6:02:05 GMT -6
Do we know anything about where the parts in the KT are sourced from ? I can certainly vouch for the Warm pre and after sales support: excellent !
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