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Post by ericn on Oct 20, 2016 16:59:51 GMT -6
Interesting could Warm and Stam have some really big computation?
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Post by kilroyrock on Oct 21, 2016 7:16:50 GMT -6
Oooooooo, look at the jewel light..
At least it doesn't say behringer on it, so it'll sell. I'd expect it to be cheaper than WA76, but it actually costs 90 cents more <gasp>
Love how they are listing it at SW:
Original Mfg. List Price $3448.85 Sweetwater Savings -$449.85 $599.90
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 21, 2016 7:48:09 GMT -6
Seems like a hard sell to me. Smart move not branding it Behringer, but with the Warm unit coming in at the same price, I can't imagine a lot of guys buying this, relatively unknown to studio guys at least, companies product.
Speaking of Behringer though, why is it that they got so much flack for copying all these designs and offering them for low bucks when Warm does the same thing, just with more expensive products and they're looked at as a savior?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 7:50:09 GMT -6
Whats the link with KT and Behringer?
Only reason I ask is Sweetwater write " When quality counts, count on Klark Teknik and Sweetwater! We proudly stand behind Klark Teknik products because we know that they deliver outstanding quality and bang for the buck. Your music is important to you, and Klark Teknik can help you make it the best it can be"
Didn't see the same endorsement on their Behringer page.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2016 7:55:13 GMT -6
Seems like a hard sell to me. Smart move not branding it Behringer, but with the Warm unit coming in at the same price, I can't imagine a lot of guys buying this, relatively unknown to studio guys at least, companies product. Speaking of Behringer though, why is it that they got so much flack for copying all these designs and offering them for low bucks when Warm does the same thing, just with more expensive products and they're looked at as a savior? Big difference, Warm, has been careful to not infringe on any current patens copyrights etc. Bryce has re-engineered his products, Uli, well nothing like employing the same plant as Aphex and selling copies so good the PCB's said Aphex, without Aphex's permission !
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 21, 2016 8:01:31 GMT -6
Whats the link with KT and Behringer? Only reason I ask is Sweetwater write " When quality counts, count on Klark Teknik and Sweetwater! We proudly stand behind Klark Teknik products because we know that they deliver outstanding quality and bang for the buck. Your music is important to you, and Klark Teknik can help you make it the best it can be" Didn't see the same endorsement on their Behringer page. Mus!c Group is the parent company to Behringer, KT, Midas, Turbosound, TC Electronic, Bugera, and a few others and the head of Behringer runs Mus!c.
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Post by kilroyrock on Oct 21, 2016 8:47:52 GMT -6
Seems like a hard sell to me. Smart move not branding it Behringer, but with the Warm unit coming in at the same price, I can't imagine a lot of guys buying this, relatively unknown to studio guys at least, companies product. Speaking of Behringer though, why is it that they got so much flack for copying all these designs and offering them for low bucks when Warm does the same thing, just with more expensive products and they're looked at as a savior?
From what I take, what WA has done on the whole, is offer products that aren't available on the market in a current state at a price that's affordable? Specific revision 1176, LA2A
For example, there's the API 312 clone/kit but there are no API 2500 bus compressor kits, but there are SSL bus comp kits, but there are no SSL VHD preamp kits?
It's a gray area, that's for sure. It's okay though because my finances are a gray area.
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 21, 2016 10:28:42 GMT -6
I hear so many different spoofs on the 1176 that I don't even know what a real 1176 is!!!! I don't think I ever heard a good one! Where do I search now?
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2016 11:27:00 GMT -6
Whats the link with KT and Behringer? Only reason I ask is Sweetwater write " When quality counts, count on Klark Teknik and Sweetwater! We proudly stand behind Klark Teknik products because we know that they deliver outstanding quality and bang for the buck. Your music is important to you, and Klark Teknik can help you make it the best it can be" Didn't see the same endorsement on their Behringer page. When Behringer's holding company Music Group bought Midas from Bosch / EV they also bought KT. They went on a highend buying spree buying Turbosound , Midas/KT , Lake & Lab Gruppen. They have been pretty good with these brands pumping in cash for R&D and bringing out with new products.
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 21, 2016 14:27:23 GMT -6
I guess I'll call Chris Lord Algae
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Post by reddirt on Oct 21, 2016 15:23:41 GMT -6
Putting the words Behringer and perfect in the same sentence are not normally something I'd do but you have to say it's perfectly ironic and perfectly sad that Behringer could make a fortune from pillaging other companies ideas and ultimately have enough money to buy the ' jewel in the crown' companies to give themselves cred ( "pre amps by Midas " etc). The fact that in today's market some of those companies would have found it challenging to survive doesn't make it any better.
If I let myself, I get pissed thinking abut it.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 21, 2016 16:10:21 GMT -6
Imagine if our Government were to build an 1176? I'll stop there...
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2016 16:14:35 GMT -6
Putting the words Behringer and perfect in the same sentence are not normally something I'd do but you have to say it's perfectly ironic and perfectly sad that Behringer could make a fortune from pillaging other companies ideas and ultimately have enough money to buy the ' jewel in the crown' companies to give themselves cred ( "pre amps by Midas " etc). The fact that in today's market some of those companies would have found it challenging to survive doesn't make it any better. If I let myself, I get pissed thinking abut it. Cheers, Ross The only one of the upper level companies that might not have already been part of a huge conglomerate was Labgruppen. turbosound- AKG which was bought by Harmon, sold to management then bought by Music Group Lake bought by Dolby then sold to Music Group KT / Midas bought by Mark iV(EV) , which was Bought by Telex , Then TElex was Bought by Bosch who sold it to Music Group.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 22, 2016 2:31:46 GMT -6
They went on about the Midas transformers in the kt1176.. How good are Midas transformers? Do they have the same heritage/ prestige/ quality as the Jensen/ Reichenbach/ Cinemag family? They also said they recreated the D and E in one unit? Hmmmm....It's likely that they saw success of Warm Audio WA76 and wanted to cash in too, even down to the price point... I would like to see a shootout between the WA76 and the KT76....
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2016 10:36:15 GMT -6
They went on about the Midas transformers in the kt1176.. How good are Midas transformers? Do they have the same heritage/ prestige/ quality as the Jensen/ Reichenbach/ Cinemag family? They also said they recreated the D and E in one unit? Hmmmm....It's likely that they saw success of Warm Audio WA76 and wanted to cash in too, even down to the price point... I would like to see a shootout between the WA76 and the KT76.... I don't think Midas ever made their own transformers! When I first saw it I was wondering if they had gotten the factory Bryce uses to copy his design! One big point most MI dealers don't know KT and are not KT dealers So they are going to have to push this to compete with Warm!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 22, 2016 10:54:55 GMT -6
ericn I assumed the same that after they have copied more prestigious products out of the same factory this does not surprise me knowing the behringer relation... Ya in the video the guy was like we recreated this rev d with Midas transformers... Then states how wonderful they are even though everyone I have asked replies like you saying they never heard of a Midas transformer
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 22, 2016 13:36:07 GMT -6
Imagine if our Government were to build an 1176? I'll stop there... It would cost $50,000 and not work.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 15, 2016 16:02:02 GMT -6
I hear so many different spoofs on the 1176 that I don't even know what a real 1176 is!!!! I don't think I ever heard a good one! Where do I search now? I suppose this is how I feel too. I wonder if the old ones even sound like they used to at this point.
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Post by kilroyrock on Nov 16, 2016 7:03:33 GMT -6
I hear so many different spoofs on the 1176 that I don't even know what a real 1176 is!!!! I don't think I ever heard a good one! Where do I search now? I suppose this is how I feel too. I wonder if the old ones even sound like they used to at this point. Keep that talk up and you'll end up with the audio manufacturing mafia stuffing you into a trunk.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 16, 2016 9:17:31 GMT -6
I suppose this is how I feel too. I wonder if the old ones even sound like they used to at this point. Keep that talk up and you'll end up with the audio manufacturing mafia stuffing you into a trunk. LOL!!
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Post by ericn on Nov 16, 2016 9:26:32 GMT -6
I suppose this is how I feel too. I wonder if the old ones even sound like they used to at this point. Keep that talk up and you'll end up with the audio manufacturing mafia stuffing you into a trunk. You should have met John Reda, perhaps one of the most powerful guys in pro audio, Rep for Hartman lines in 3 0f the top 10 Territories, little Italian guy in nice suits who after his fight with throat cancer had that soft sand paper tough guy voice, I always liked him, but there were always rumors!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 1, 2016 11:15:21 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 1, 2016 13:58:34 GMT -6
What a tiny PCB for a 1176, when's the 500 series version coming!
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Post by dandeurloo on Dec 2, 2016 8:10:09 GMT -6
I hear so many different spoofs on the 1176 that I don't even know what a real 1176 is!!!! I don't think I ever heard a good one! Where do I search now? Check out the Serpent Splice. It is the only real sounding one that I have heard. All the others are thin and offensive sounding with half the vibe. You get what you pay for IMO.
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 2, 2016 10:09:14 GMT -6
I hear so many different spoofs on the 1176 that I don't even know what a real 1176 is!!!! I don't think I ever heard a good one! Where do I search now? Check out the Serpent Splice. It is the only real sounding one that I have heard. All the others are thin and offensive sounding with half the vibe. You get what you pay for IMO. Thanks Dan. One on the way, if it doesn't get damaged in shipping like my other piece a few weeks ago!
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