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Post by chasmanian on Sept 3, 2016 17:41:16 GMT -6
hey y'all, a piano playing friend (awesome player), told me about this new piano program whch will be released, a week from Monday. I checked the introductory video on Youtube. I love the C7 piano and the LA Custom Model E Rhodes. and Cory Henry......I think he's the best player I've ever heard. there are a couple other people in there that you may have of before demoing it too. so, I'll post a link to that video, and to the company website. and then, for entertainment purposes on this beautiful Saturday night, I will post another video, (related because its about piano).  www.spectrasonics.net/products/keyscape/ |
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Post by drbill on Sept 3, 2016 17:51:28 GMT -6
I gotta say, I love EVERYthing Eric or Spectrasonics puts out, but I'm disappointed in this release. It's probably great, and I'll probably end up owning it, but it's been done a thousand times.....
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 8, 2016 15:24:26 GMT -6
roger that drbill.
hey, I just saw this:
Keyscape Pre-Orders are $60.00 off at AudioDeluxe - $379.00 + plus additional in-cart discount
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Post by 79sg on Sept 8, 2016 18:05:16 GMT -6
I own every product Spectrasonics has ever released and historically bought them immediately on release but Keyscapes has left me a bit deflated. At the moment I have zero desire to purchase it. The only advantage to me would be that it can run inside Omnisphere 2. I was hoping for an update to RMX as the last major update was ages ago. it seems that may never happen.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 8, 2016 23:05:25 GMT -6
they do seem a little late to the Piano Library Party....
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Post by popmann on Sept 9, 2016 18:55:10 GMT -6
I actually don't think there is anything playable for EPs. Why I bought the Kronos. I'm much more likely to buy this than anything else they've made.
There's only two acoustic pianos in the collection so far as I can tell--it's all old electro mechanical beasts.
I think the lack of stand alone app is bad form for a playable piano/keyboard library. Is Mainstage still a thing since LogicX?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 17, 2016 0:23:07 GMT -6
The patch that this guy comes up with is pretty amazing. Being able to build sounds like this, this quickly is a pretty good reason to pick it up:
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 17, 2016 15:43:55 GMT -6
yeah, enjoying this video. thank you.
I don't have O2.
just started playing around a tiny bit with Keyscape.
there is a lot to it. many instruments. many settings that can be tweaked........so much, that I think it will take a longgggg time for me to really thoroughly check it out.
that said, a couple immediate thoughts.
I mainly bought it for the C7.
if I am brutally honest, I will say: at first disappointed.
that said, its growing on me.
mind you, there are many presets, and an endless amount of tweaks that can be done to it.
I am no virtuoso, hahahhahahaha. but I can have humongous fun playing keys.
there are some incredibly good and beautiful things about it.
and there are some things that to me, are flaws. I get the thing with leaving the flaws in for realistic-ness. but, there are some high notes that jump out at you. to my ear they are not balanced. in my opinion, this is not a nitpick. I understand that I am not good at dynamics. pppppp to fffffff and all.
that said, I can see changes being made in updates.
ok, tired of typing and korrecting misteaks now.
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Post by popmann on Sept 17, 2016 17:01:04 GMT -6
Are there per octave velocity curves or something super granular about the velocity response so you can tune it to your controller?
That IS the problem with software instruments….always….there's ZERO actual play testing with the hardware (both DSP, DAC, and physical controller response) you will be playing it with….
Why I said elsewhere that if this were a $3k new hardware board, I'd be driving to wherever to lay hands and ears on it, CC in hand….yet at a $400 piece of software (with such system requirements to boot) I'm much less likely to buy it. I don't WANT to do the play testing and tweaking. It's not a matter of preference when it comes to emulations….electro mechnicals (broad strokes) will need a controller to trigger note on at half way down to emulate the reality of literally being on when the key gets to the bottom of the throw. Many of the digital organs do this, as Hammonds are going to be the snappiest, because they're not using hammer to strike something….the C7 should have a solid I dunno 20-30ms of latency at certain velocity levels--and less at other velocity levels of the same key--they can achieve the DELAYS in the sample editing process by leaving time at the beginning of the sample--and hoping your MIDI+DSP+DAC doesn't add more….
I will probably end up buying it….someone will run some sale….it really is about time for a new machine. I always do the latest Cubase upgrade and look for some "excuses" to show off the new CPU….
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 17, 2016 17:25:03 GMT -6
they have velocity curve presets for a bunch of controllers.
I'm not seeing how you can tweak it yourself. but I could just not be finding it.
thank you for your very interesting post about the subject.
I will ask support about it.
I got it from Audio Deluxe for $341 shipped.
its funny how things work. I had just bought Pianoteq 5.
I absolutely love it. the playability is extremely good.
I think that in my DAW, Reaper, I might be able to blend Keyscape with Pianoteq 5.
not sure. maybe give it a try one of these days.
thank you again for your excellent post.
as for being disappointed, I should know better by now, how super high expectations can skew one's experience.
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Post by popmann on Sept 17, 2016 21:18:51 GMT -6
It's fairly impossible to blend acoustic pianos. There's way too much difference in key to key tuning and attack time and such....
I've never gotten along with modeled acoustic pianos. But, there's so much difference in how people PLAY instruments that sort of defines values of attributes....I just watched a video--I think I'm wrong about the velocity curves. I think they're global across the board. Is it the RANGE up there or a handful of keys/velocities that stick out? If it's a handful, I'd send Spectrasonics an email....that would be a editing bug....stuff gets missed....but, if it's the whole top "post damper" range, that's likely just how the instrument responds. They didn't likely "miss" the whole top octave and a half on the only acoustic piano in the library, you know?
It's funny how individual piano samples are....I was surprised to see him include an acoustic at all. Maybe there's a story behind the kind of mods they did to it....like that was the kind of mods done for all the west coast David Foster era Yamaha stuff (which it's the Blue Rhodes, no?)....and that piano was long gone so they took another C7 and did the same mods....I don't know what makes a C7 a "collector keyboard".
I gotta quit watching videos of it.....want....GAS bad.....
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 18, 2016 5:40:59 GMT -6
awesome man. thank you very much for all you said.
I never knew that there was a "post damper range".
ok, lets see, I'll try to answer you.
it is only a coupe or few notes. a couple octaves down from the top.
I may talk to Spectrasonics on the phone.
there is a Velocity Curve graph. not sure yet if I can manually adjust. the presets are for sure gobal.
no idea on the C7 specifics.
I do remember clearly the David Foster era. and the sound you are talking about. I remember wanting to get that sound, and feeling that it was simply out of my price range to afford.
my immediate feeling about you getting it, is do it!!
mind you, I have just begun checking it out.
I don't know if I will still feel that way after I have checked it out more.
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Post by chasmanian on Sept 18, 2016 6:37:50 GMT -6
just checked some more.
that graph IS manually adjustable.
you can grab a little gizmo, thats on the graph and move the curve around.
also there are 2 sliders, 1 on each side of the graph, that you can slide to adjust as well.
its still global, as far as I can tell, or what I'm trying to say is, I don't see a way to go in and surgically note note by note........
btw, this things growing on me.
just played it a bit.
I think I'm scoring it (har har), high on realistic - ness.
I think I really like it alot.
and super highly recommend it.
I had to get a feel for it you know?
its different. but I think in a really good way.
all my opinion of course.
I didn't hear the too loud jump out unbalanced notes now. though I was playing in different keys than yesterday. (yesterday D only.....today, Bb, C and F.)
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Post by unit7 on Oct 18, 2016 10:59:01 GMT -6
Just installed this. Though not that impressed with the acoustic grand piano, after browsing many of the other keyboards I say wow! My new go to for electric pianos and when something calls for a touch of experimental stuff.
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Post by chasmanian on Oct 18, 2016 13:05:52 GMT -6
hi Paul,
thank you for your post.
just felt like chiming in to mention that my friend who told me about Keyscape, said that his favorite preset for the acoustic piano (C7), is just the plain old default preset.
just posting this in hopes that it is of help for you.
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Post by unit7 on Oct 18, 2016 14:27:53 GMT -6
hi Paul, thank you for your post. just felt like chiming in to mention that my friend who told me about Keyscape, said that his favorite preset for the acoustic piano (C7), is just the plain old default preset. just posting this in hopes that it is of help for you. Thanks, appreciate it! But I prefer Ivory. Tack piano though was great. I believe a bit more brilliant and kind of extreme spikey tack piano compared to Ivory. Nice option. For me, as a keyboard player that grew up on and for years was deeply addicted to the three Al Jarreau albums Spain, Breakin' away and Jarreau, what stood out was the Classic Rhodes.. Best software Rhodes I've heard, no competition.. |
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Post by chasmanian on Oct 18, 2016 14:50:26 GMT -6
Right on!!!
Very digging it.
I love the combination preset of the C7 and the LA Custom Rhodes.
Extra wow city!!!
I am still freaked to the max over james ingrams just once.
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Post by unit7 on Oct 18, 2016 15:44:36 GMT -6
Right on!!! Very digging it. I love the combination preset of the C7 and the LA Custom Rhodes. Extra wow city!!! I am still freaked to the max over james ingrams just once. Yep, Just Once and 100 ways. Classics! And bragging time.. :-) I worked with James in the end of the 90's. Arranged, played and recorded the intro and played synth bass on this song: Unforgettable moment when I played the intro in my studio with him sitting beside me, digging and wailing. I thought I would start to levitate.. |
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Post by chasmanian on Oct 18, 2016 15:50:55 GMT -6
ok, definitely impressed beyond ability to express in words.
I have to tell you man, the influence that Ingram's just once has had on me over the past few decades is humongously huge large gigantic.
I am in awe of you, that you worked with him and did all of that.
you're amazing man.
another song that I must tell you about right away, is another one that is absolutely 100% engraved in my heart and soul. its by Gil Scott-Heron. a Lovely Day.
here's a link:
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 18, 2016 19:41:16 GMT -6
Does this thing have a workable demo?
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Post by popmann on Oct 18, 2016 20:22:25 GMT -6
It's 80gb, so.....no. Ships on USB drives.
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Post by chasmanian on Oct 18, 2016 20:23:02 GMT -6
no it doesn't.
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Post by kilroyrock on Oct 19, 2016 13:19:06 GMT -6
It's 80gb, so.....no. Ships on USB drives. Man, imagine dealing with corruption with that. |
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Post by popmann on Sept 23, 2017 18:51:05 GMT -6
FWIW. As you know I feel the need to report from the "I don't spend shit on my computers" district. Keyscapes, as of the latest release (I say because I never had any older ones).....runs flawlessly (at 88.2) even on the ten year old Windows 7 PC I built that many years ago AS a host for virtual instruments. Runs sketchy as all shit on my low rent MacBook Air. But, before one thinks "it's a Air....duh"---45gb Ivory American D doesn't even make it sweat. I can load the VSL legato of all the Chamber strings at ONCE to sequence a quartet--that gets tight on the 4gb of soldered in RAM....but, since storing them on an SSD means I can reduce the RAM use....it's fine. Tight, but fine. Comparable NEW Scarbee 88? Flawless. I've had some issues with a few VIs having weird issues where the CPU spikes from 20% to OVER to 20%.....but, in general, it's been good for VIs. I WILL say it takes f'n minutes to load some of the patches off my antique magnetic drive....AND I'd point out that I have it on an external USB3 magnetic on the Mac, because frankly I need to make some priority choices with regards to my SSD....putting this on there now, would max it in an unhealthy way....so, MAYBE the Mac version will performa better when I get it onto the SSD. I'm tempted to move just the big demanding C7 and see.This makes me want to install a Samsung 960 Pro 1TB drive with a PCIe adapter in the antique....see if those minutes turn to seconds, or if I can even get my hands from computer to keyboard before they're loaded. Maybe I need to just build home studio PCs. I apparently can build you one that will be able to run new (and demanding) software ten years from now. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 26, 2017 9:33:58 GMT -6
I just bought Keyscape...I do think the Yamaha C7 is the best sounding piano I have...but I was afraid it would be a little expensive for the use it's going to get...and that's exactly what I've found. If I had a redo, I'd probably pass.
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