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Post by ericn on Jul 28, 2016 10:45:41 GMT -6
I've got a CM7GTS/M7 and did send Mike an email about getting the Suprema mod. It's $150, which isn't all that much money. My biggest concern is wondering if there is enough sonic difference to make it worthwhile and if it changes too much, I might not like it all that well. I personally have wanted just a little more smooth top end on my Wunder. Might be worth it but I hate sending it out and not seeing it for a month. I'm currently in too many sessions with it. It would be cool to hear what kind of difference it makes and see some before and after photos. A $150 is a 57 and a half! If it was me I would probably bite ! Of course I would probably then be nuts enough to send it to Shannon to see what my favorite mic guru could get out of it! But that's me! If you love it keep it like it is
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 28, 2016 12:40:10 GMT -6
I've got a CM7GTS/M7 and did send Mike an email about getting the Suprema mod. It's $150, which isn't all that much money. My biggest concern is wondering if there is enough sonic difference to make it worthwhile and if it changes too much, I might not like it all that well. I personally have wanted just a little more smooth top end on my Wunder. Might be worth it but I hate sending it out and not seeing it for a month. I'm currently in too many sessions with it. Send it to Shannon
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Post by dft on Jul 30, 2016 13:44:44 GMT -6
Hi ...
In a quest for a U47 clone I came across this forum and thread, as the CM7 ... now CM7 S ... was along with the Flea, Bock and Beesneez of interest. I'm sure any of these would surpass anything currently in my meager mic locker. As I'm sure most of you here know, by the time you are considering spending upwards of 3K on a mic, you must start asking yourself, 'why not 4K, 5K, etc?' in the search for that diminishing return that might make a difference.
I must say one thing here disappoints: no one appears to have actually listened to the CM7 S or any other of the Suprema line. For examples: how much "more presence" are we talking about with the CM7 S; can the increased presence be easily EQd if undesired; etc?
While my own 'micography' is probably as low on the totem pole as anyone bothering to come to this forum, I do know a bit about human physiology and perception. Think research on the 'placebo effect' deliberation calibration. While we know that sensitivity to frequencies change across the life span within individuals, we don't know how accurately any of this translates into what anyone actually hears.
Ergo preferences and opinions. While most anyone would agree that either a BMW or a Mercedes is technologically superior to a Yugo, we will invariably get into some nasty spats over whether a BMW or Mercedes is 'better.' Which year? Which model? For what purpose? ... ad nauseum.
However, if we heard a Mercedes fan rant against the shortcomings of a BMW ... only to find he'd never driven or ridden in one, we might be a tad suspect of his opinion, no?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2016 13:51:52 GMT -6
Hey - if you want to buy the Wunder, go right ahead. No one is stopping you. I owned the CM7, CM7-GT (K47) and CM7-GT (M7)...so I think I have had a pretty good handle on their sound. The last thing I would want is more presence.
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Post by dft on Jul 30, 2016 15:10:59 GMT -6
Hey - if you want to buy the Wunder, go right ahead. No one is stopping you. I owned the CM7, CM7-GT (K47) and CM7-GT (M7)...so I think I have had a pretty good handle on their sound. The last thing I would want is more presence. Sure, I understand ... and I didn't mean to imply that you or anyone said anyone shouldn't buy one. But I also note that you yourself mentioned that sometimes you've wondered if you're decision to sell on your CM7 was based upon your perception of a flaw in response to loud dynamics ... whereas in retrospect you opined it had done a great job on other material you'd recorded. I think I got that right? Anyway, mics get sold for lots of reasons and maybe the 'flavor' of Wunder just doesn't tick the right boxes for you. But I'd still like to hear from somebody that actually used one of the Suprema line. Who knows, whatever I end up buying may be up for sale in a few months depending on how the Townsend Lab Sphere turns out.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2016 16:15:48 GMT -6
No - if I gave the impression that it didn't have problems with pinching, I'm sorry. The ones I had definitely could get bitey in the upper mids.
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Post by dft on Aug 3, 2016 12:49:15 GMT -6
No - if I gave the impression that it didn't have problems with pinching, I'm sorry. The ones I had definitely could get bitey in the upper mids. No, you were clear about what you didn't like. What I meant was that you also commented that on some material it was very good and you noted something along the lines (or so I thought/ understood) that in pursuit of perfection there may be a tendency to throw out the baby with the bath water. BTW, how long ago did you own the Wunders? I understand that there has been a fairly steady march of improvement in the components over the years.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2016 12:52:46 GMT -6
I'm not doubting that I could have missed...I'm sure they're great. I probably had them about 5 years ago.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 4, 2016 7:38:37 GMT -6
The one thing I like about the Wunder CM7 is if I want to let rip (as I sometimes do) and do the Blue Eyed Soul Sting thing like his "Shadows in the rain" kinda vibe of Dream of the blue turtles album, where I really get into my higher tenor register and my voice sounds really driven, then the CM7 doesn't sh*t itself as a lot of LDC's do that I've tried - at least the one I have in my possession seems to be able to handle that kinda thing with ease and still sound exactly as I do in the room and yet on a crooning style low register tune sound thick, full and warm.
I find the CM7 to be a very versatile LDC - I like it.
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Post by spindrift on Aug 7, 2017 11:40:35 GMT -6
So I recently bit the bullet and sent my pair of CM7 mics (#299 & #300) into Wunder to have the Suprema mod installed. I must say I was a bit skeptical and I did ask for my parts back in case I ever wanted to revert the sound to the original. Basically, they jam some big-ass expensive Mundorf coupling caps in there in place of the stock ones. I was forward thinking enough to make some before and after recordings so I could hear the differences....and those difference are not subtle. The mods do give the mics a more smooth sound with added clarity.....less graininess and more resolution. I haven't tracked anything official with them yet but overall, I was impressed and happy I did the mods on them. Turnaround was fast and the charges were reasonable ($300/mic and I know those caps are pricey). I will report back after a few sessions with them.
Best, Keith
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 7, 2017 11:49:56 GMT -6
Please do! I'd love to hear the before and after.
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Post by yotonic on Aug 8, 2017 5:04:17 GMT -6
I always liked the Wonder CM7-GT (K47) and CM7-GT (M7). John had this comparison up years ago and I saved it. My experience with the K47 and M7 capsules is also what you can hear in the comparison- a little more detail and fidelity in the M7 but ultimately not as "cool" sounding on his voice, and it should always be about what makes the singer sound better for the song. In this case the K47 just has more cowboy swagger for lack of a better description and that fits this track. So increased detail and prescience doesn't always equal "better" when it comes to making music. Which is why incredible vocals from John Paul White to Bono are made on Shure mics or whatever else. I've said it probably 65 times, but you can get a better sounding vocal out of putting your time into modifying technique and the human voice than a mic capsule. Huge swings in content and quality. Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2017 12:33:46 GMT -6
OK...two Holy Shits here.
1. I haven't heard that song in years...always loved it. 2. Why did I ever sell either one of those. Holy shit, they sounded great. Particularly like the k47...Wow...those sounded freaking awesome.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 8, 2017 12:46:43 GMT -6
This really is awesome Johnkenn and yotonic. That K47 sounds super rich. The M7 sounds reedy and pinched in comparison. Great sounding mic.
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2017 13:00:19 GMT -6
OK...two Holy Shits here. 1. I haven't heard that song in years...always loved it. 2. Why did I ever sell either one of those. Holy shit, they sounded great. Particularly like the k47...Wow...those sounded freaking awesome. 2 because your you !
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2017 13:19:36 GMT -6
I'm fucking depressed.
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Post by yotonic on Aug 8, 2017 13:55:29 GMT -6
The K47 keeps your tenor voice from getting too nasally. The M7 accentuates too much top end, not as much of a peaceful, easy feeling...
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2017 16:05:35 GMT -6
Repeat after me : I love my Upton, I love my Upton!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2017 16:44:12 GMT -6
Repeat after me : I love my Upton, I love my Upton! I'm thinking of ways to have both...
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2017 17:01:32 GMT -6
Repeat after me : I love my Upton, I love my Upton! I'm thinking of ways to have both... Kidney for sale?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2017 17:11:00 GMT -6
Kidney for sale
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Aug 8, 2017 17:12:53 GMT -6
Did you not get an MK-47 at one point ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2017 17:13:49 GMT -6
Did you not get an MK-47 at one point ? Meh...
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Aug 8, 2017 17:14:54 GMT -6
What capsule do you have in it ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 8, 2017 17:40:27 GMT -6
Did you not get an MK-47 at one point ? Meh... I thought it sounded killer...
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