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Post by M57 on Jun 23, 2016 4:33:47 GMT -6
Do you use it? When? When you don't, what plug(s) do you reach for and why? One of the things I like about the EQ in Logic (and I assume this is true in most DAWs) is that there's a thumbnail of the curve in the channel strip. Not a big deal, but it's conveniently integrated.
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Post by rob61 on Jun 23, 2016 5:21:44 GMT -6
I like the EQs in Nuendo. When I need something extra, I'll use FabFilter Q2.
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Post by javamad on Jun 23, 2016 6:49:39 GMT -6
I used to use the stock Logic EQ, until I got UAD Pultec and FabFilterEQ. I tend to go for the 3rd party ones first now .. the Pultec because boosting sounds great and FabFilter because of the user interface being awesome.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 23, 2016 6:55:06 GMT -6
DP eq is pretty good, no real complaints. If I need surgery I might look elsewhere like RX5, if I need color I'll go hardware.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 23, 2016 7:11:48 GMT -6
The Cubase ones are decent...but I like to be able to see immediately if I have EQ on the channel - e.g. I like to look at it and see an FF instance on the channel. With the Cubase rack, you can't really see the inserts/sends/etc. at the same time you're looking at the EQ section. Also, after using the FF interface, the limited bands of the Cubase EQ seem clunky. I don't ever use the PTs EQ...I thought they didn't sound as good in the past...haven't tried in a while.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 23, 2016 7:12:15 GMT -6
I'll use the 1 band for high pass frequently
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 23, 2016 7:13:09 GMT -6
DP eq is pretty good, no real complaints. If I need surgery I might look elsewhere like RX5, if I need color I'll go hardware. Yeah. DP is great.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 23, 2016 7:25:32 GMT -6
I don't use the built in Pro Tools EQ3 or Channel Strip anymore. The FabFilter interface is so much deeper, easier to use, and quicker to get where I'm going it makes the stock PT plugins feel like a joke. For certain things, I want more of a sound or some set Q's and use an emulation instead. IK API/SSL/Neve style EQ's, Softube Grand Channel, PSP NobelQ, MAAG, Clariphonic, Elysia Museq. FabFilter is the first insert on every track for me though. The others might see 1 or two instances per session.
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Post by mjheck on Jun 23, 2016 8:29:08 GMT -6
I do use the stock Logic EQ for surgical stuff on busses, more so after they redesigned at a couple of years ago.
I typically use Metric Halo Channel Strip on individual channels as I really like the gate on that plug in.
If I want color in addition to EQ, it is usually the UAD Pultecs or Manley MP, or I get color via some other route.
MJH
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Post by Ward on Jun 23, 2016 11:02:25 GMT -6
Nothing
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Post by wiz on Jun 23, 2016 15:40:38 GMT -6
Since I am doing most of my heavy lifting on the console...I have been using the stock Logic EQ to little seating notches at mix time... working really well.
Not to be THAT guy, but I have found since using the console, and lots of outboard (read, transformers and tubes and ilk) that I don't mind the stock EQ and Dynamics for little teeny tiny adjustments at mix stage. Rather than the "colour" eq and dynamic plug ins.
Seems perfectly obvious now that I am doing it.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 23, 2016 16:03:40 GMT -6
Since I am doing most of my heavy lifting on the console...I have been using the stock Logic EQ to little seating notches at mix time... working really well. Not to be THAT guy, but I have found since using the console, and lots of outboard (read, transformers and tubes and ilk) that I don't mind the stock EQ and Dynamics for little teeny tiny adjustments at mix stage. Rather than the "colour" eq and dynamic plug ins. Seems perfectly obvious now that I am doing it. cheers Wiz +1. Most of my mixing if fabfilter and outboard.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 23, 2016 16:12:17 GMT -6
For me personally I catch myself distracted with the visuals I'm still listening of course but maybe not intently as if using hardware Other words I think the visual influence my decision sometimes by what I think is right instead of what is I usually catch it later lol
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Post by wiz on Jun 23, 2016 16:19:25 GMT -6
For me personally I catch myself distracted with the visuals I'm still listening of course but maybe not intently as if using hardware Other words I think the visual influence my decision sometimes by what I think is right instead of what is I usually catch it later lol I also expend a huge amount of energy (stupidly) fine adjusting things to round them off..I drives me crazy to see something sitting at 11.8 I HAVE TO ROUND IT OFF TO 12... 8) I think one of the biggest shames... is DAW interfaces aren't designed ergonomically/creatively enough... They mimic analog controls, which I can understand. Imagine if they were designed completely from the creating of music aspect, rather than to mimic an existing workflow. of course, you would probably go broke trying to bring it to market cheers Wiz
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Post by popmann on Jun 23, 2016 16:26:03 GMT -6
So, it depends on why you're reaching for an EQ. That's not meant to sounds smart ass. To "air up" a vocal, you need saturation involved to do it well, IME. Don't believe me--get Slate's freebie saturation based "Revival". Your DAW EQ can't do that. Same with if you're trying boost midrange in an Egtr or bass track--you need the saturation on the output end of that...ala Neve/API EQs. My fave for this is the IK Pultec. If you work at double rate it's not that much better (maybe just different) than the Waves version, but for client single rate tracks, enabling the oversampling make it ENORMOUSLY better.
There are varying reasons. I still find the Waves Linear Phase "Lowband" (not Broad band plug in) to be the least side effects for HPF'ing. But, you still have to watch what a filter leaves behind.
Mid/Side....I've been spoiled. I don't want to set up a matrix so I can EQ some lows out of the side when I can patch in an EQ with the matrix built into it.
I also really enjoyed the Tilt EQ....which I've not seen stock anywhere. I loved the freebie from Elysia maybe? But, it had no makeup gain, so it didn't get reinstalled last go round. I demo'd ProQ when they put Tilt in with v2...that is such a subtle EQ it mostly sounds OK, but nothing else I might use that for did, so I didn't buy it. I've wanted to demo some of the "new school" "impossible without digital" types--like the AIReq and such....I thought Slate's Custom Shop EQ was really nice--however they had the dynamic Q set up was really quickly musical and hard to make things sound ugly.
So, I think there are reasons, for sure. But with the exception of the role of saturation in boosting EQ bands, I think it's mostly workflow--like you could make the same Q and such as the Slate Custom Shop, but they preset them to change based on frequency and likely also how much you boost vs cut---that's a really clever development, IMO.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 23, 2016 16:34:14 GMT -6
Do you use it? When? When you don't, what plug(s) do you reach for and why? One of the things I like about the EQ in Logic (and I assume this is true in most DAWs) is that there's a thumbnail of the curve in the channel strip. Not a big deal, but it's conveniently integrated. I like the logic stock EQ for cutting out special for FXs. I found out that the top end compared to the SSL simulation sounds smeared, dull without separation. If I want something LOFI I use the Stock -EQs and at the moment I am on a LOFI TRIP. I guess the SSL by Native Instruments are more accurate modeled because they bite more. Thats what I remember from using hardware they just grab the signal different. I have no other word for it - non native speaker - I hope grab is right....
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 23, 2016 20:54:20 GMT -6
I use the PT eq7 for quick cuts and filters and that's pretty much it. Always comes across lifeless and dull for boosts and there are better options out there for that.
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Post by rocinante on Jun 28, 2016 9:44:57 GMT -6
i Never use the DAW's eq's. Not PT 10. Not Studio One. Not cubase. I am a hardware guy so that is what i use first. For software Fab Filter is my go to followed by waves stuff like API and Pultec eqs. I just think a lot of focus was put on these third party eqs and they work well. I do use the room reverbs that come with studio one a lot though. I prefer trueverb.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2016 11:56:38 GMT -6
I use Logic's track EQ to quickly see the frequency graph, but mainly use Logic's EQ for cutting the low end out of certain things because It's so easy to use. I occasionally use it for a surgical cut, but almost never to boost. For boosting I use either the Waves API or SSL EQ's, and for drums, Piugtec or UAD Pultec for a little fat and some snare boost. Clariphonic plugin for an occasional high end lift that's musical.
I have the Elysia EQ plugin, but still can't figure out how it works. Their "tutorial" video shows how nicely it sounds, but basic instructions are missing. I'll have to find the manual one day and finally figure out what the hell the two little buttons actually do, it wasn't that cheap and I never use it, although I really liked how it sounded in the video when they demonstrated how to improve the tone of a vocal.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 28, 2016 12:24:59 GMT -6
I use Logic's track EQ to quickly see the frequency graph, but mainly use Logic's EQ for cutting the low end out of certain things because It's so easy to use. I occasionally use it for a surgical cut, but almost never to boost. For boosting I use either the Waves API or SSL EQ's, and for drums, Piugtec or UAD Pultec for a little fat and some snare boost. Clariphonic plugin for an occasional high end lift that's musical. I have the Elysia EQ plugin, but still can't figure out how it works. Their "tutorial" video shows how nicely it sounds, but basic instructions are missing. I'll have to find the manual one day and finally figure out what the hell the two little buttons actually do, it wasn't that cheap and I never use it, although I really liked how it sounded in the video when they demonstrated how to improve the tone of a vocal. The left button on the high and low bands switch from shelf boost to cut filters with resonance. The left button on the middle bands give you a narrow q option for surgical work. The right button always switches the band from boost only to cut only. Easy as that.
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Post by popmann on Jun 28, 2016 15:42:45 GMT -6
Yeah, I have to chime in, so as not to be all negative all the time, that I've grown to like the MusEQ a lot--but, I only ever use the mastering version, often in mid/side mode. When I first demo'd I didn't hear any benefit of the Waves Linear Phase I was used to, but over a longer term--more program material, I get it. It's got a really natural sound.I could do without the goofy "screw as output level" UI, as someone who is OCD about not adding/removing level with DSP....but, that aside...very clean natural EQ. FWIW--I never like the "warm" button....but, again--I mean program material....not a single track where that might be more flattering.
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Post by donr on Jun 28, 2016 23:03:39 GMT -6
The DP MW eq is totally capable, but I keep reaching for console eq emu's I know first, unless it's a utilitarian eq task.
Thinking about the model of the Slate CLA mix program, I'd love to see someone with mix credentials like CLA, do a comparo of stock DAW sounds and plugins, mixing the same piece of multitrack. Think of any of the remix greats doing their best on all the available stock platforms, for the buyer/user to hear.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 29, 2016 10:02:42 GMT -6
Yeah, I have to chime in, so as not to be all negative all the time, that I've grown to like the MusEQ a lot--but, I only ever use the mastering version, often in mid/side mode. When I first demo'd I didn't hear any benefit of the Waves Linear Phase I was used to, but over a longer term--more program material, I get it. It's got a really natural sound.I could do without the goofy "screw as output level" UI, as someone who is OCD about not adding/removing level with DSP....but, that aside...very clean natural EQ. FWIW--I never like the "warm" button....but, again--I mean program material....not a single track where that might be more flattering. Holy shit...I NEVER KNEW the screw was the output level. That's fantastic, thanks!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 29, 2016 15:40:04 GMT -6
Using PT eq7 I like to adjust each band to a bell with Q between 2.00-4.00 ( depending on how narrow/ wide cut you want) then holding Shift + Control ( Mac ) while clicking the frequency knob it will solo the frequency range you are in so you can fine tune and hear exactly what you want to cut. You don't have to boost +10db to find resonances, and for me that type of boosting to then cut makes all the frequency range sound bad lol and I find this way more natural! Here is a quick vid
Pro q2 obviously makes this easier by being able to click the headphone button on the band but not everyone can afford ff pro q2!
Waves Ren Eq also has similar option/ shift/ control and multiple band movement features as well and I find the Ren Eq to be rounder or softer than PT eq3-7, notch things out with eq3-7 they are gone even -3 to -5 db of cuts, where as Ren Eq doesn't cut as sharply/ drastically IMO!
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Post by jazznoise on Jul 1, 2016 14:46:45 GMT -6
Nothing, I use ReaEQ all the time. I use VoS' SlickEQ and Baxter EQ a lot though for saturatey/mojo EQ and M/S EQ respectively
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