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Post by Randge on Jun 10, 2016 3:19:06 GMT -6
From the sound of what you describe, try the Great River PWM 501 or another option, the Elysia X-pressor.
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Post by joseph on Jun 10, 2016 5:37:09 GMT -6
In order: Slowest attack, fastest release (input low)-6ish GR on 4:1 4:1 12:1 ABI slowest attack, fastest release (input med)-20 GR on 4:1 4:1 12:1 ABI Fast-ish attack, fastest release (input med) -20 GR on 4:1 4:1 %0Ahttps%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/snare526-1Thanks! This sounds great, sustain is not too opaque but tone and peak control is very nice.
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Post by joseph on Jun 10, 2016 5:41:50 GMT -6
Yeah that's Jean's auction. I've bought from him he's a good guy. I bought a nice sounding U87 from him. Always wanted an 1178, but may be more expense than what I actually need. I don't necessarily need 2 channels since I have bus duties taken care of.
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Post by yotonic on Jun 10, 2016 6:49:22 GMT -6
The UREI 1178 is one of my favorite compressors for vox. Has the coolest mojo ever. You can hear it slamming here on this record Fields did.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 10, 2016 7:32:50 GMT -6
The UREI 1178 is one of my favorite compressors for vox. Has the coolest mojo ever. You can hear it slamming here on this record Fields did. Forget the vocal, listen to that snare. Wowzer.
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Post by svart on Jun 10, 2016 7:41:53 GMT -6
I typically shave transients by pushing the level into gear, rather than compressing the transient. I leave compressors to add slow dynamics later.
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Post by joseph on Jun 10, 2016 8:17:19 GMT -6
I prefer to do things that way too, but I'm talking about super loud rimshots that will poke out of the mix without any sustain once you bring in the guitars. Nothing will help except squashing that transient, preferably with a little saturation to darken the timbre of the initial edge. I've tried clipping my preamps, it's not enough.
Figure I can get a nice option for belty vocals too.
FC526 seems almost perfect for the job, but I have to say the Splice is still appealing because the A mode sounds pretty awesome on vocals.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2016 8:58:57 GMT -6
Maybe I can slam a vocal a little later...
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Post by joseph on Jun 10, 2016 9:30:41 GMT -6
Got anything belty?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 10, 2016 10:14:04 GMT -6
If you can wait a few days, I can run some files through a Tonelux TX5C and an Alta Moda AM-10 if you're interested. Out of the studio for the weekend though.
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Post by joseph on Jun 10, 2016 12:30:39 GMT -6
That's very kind of you. I will probably think it over for another week.
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Post by ericn on Jun 10, 2016 12:33:20 GMT -6
I'll second the Aphex, the thing is great for doing the job and not changing the tone.
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Post by drbill on Jun 10, 2016 12:49:42 GMT -6
Third the Aphex. Especially if you want something a little more transparent. Used around $150-200. A true sleeper.....
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Post by joseph on Jun 12, 2016 8:47:37 GMT -6
Dave Hill Titan is another option... bit spendy. Seems people like the trakker for vocals and this is pretty similar.
Class A, parallel mix and you can adjust knee. Seems good for snares, rooms.
I do like the idea of a faster peak compressor that will leave the tone alone to allow Cl1B to do its magic on vocals. 1176 character can sneak up on you and dominate, sometimes slowest attack is still too much for vocals, and smashing can alter tone of room mics too much. Both 1176 and especially distressor can make cymbals sound too edgy. Apparently titan color knobs give a range for this and can darken the parallel compressed signal.
Too many damn options, sorry!
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Post by sozocaps on Jun 12, 2016 10:53:22 GMT -6
Soon it will be my Stam 4k on drum bus and mixbus ! woot !
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Post by rowmat on Jun 12, 2016 17:23:37 GMT -6
Had a girl in yesterday who went from a whisper to a scream in a nano second and then back again.
She hasn't had much experience recording and didn't seem to understand that at some point the laws of physics will trounce any signal path.
Ran her into an Aphex Expresser and then into a WA76.
Still had to ride the preamp gain around 30db as she was slamming the pre so hard when she let fly.
I'm picking up a 3-way mic splitter this week. In situations like these I think multiple pre's set at different gains are probably the best option.
The other option was to get her to record each loud and soft section separately so I could set the gain structure better to match the her level but this wasn't easy as she didn't like stopping and starting and was saying she didn't want to wear out her voice.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 13, 2016 10:33:17 GMT -6
I typically shave transients by pushing the level into gear, rather than compressing the transient. I leave compressors to add slow dynamics later. Clipping opamps/transistors is not my favorite way to limit. That's the fastest way of producing ugly music here. The 651 Expressor is my tool here. With a 50 us attack time and 50/1 ratios, it does a bang up job limiting peaks without clipping the tops off.
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Post by joseph on Jun 13, 2016 10:56:07 GMT -6
See, I think I want something that can clip the tops off if need be, has a little saturation to dial in, to soften the tone of a close mic. It's not just the level but the pokey timbre that annoys me. A snare does not sound like that in real life, nor for that matter does a belting singer in the room (thinking of the inverse square law Bob likes to cite).
But not something that is always opaque or dirty sounding in that shitty transitory or grimey in that old vca way.
Something that has a nice line amp tone, not clean. FC526 is open and has great tone, so that plus a saturation control would be ideal. Daking FET II is similar.
The BAC500 has a distortion option but seems to sound less open than the FC526 from the demos I've heard
Perhaps super fast attack is enough, but the unmodified Expressor seems to me to sound rather plain and gray.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 13, 2016 12:57:30 GMT -6
I wonder if the DIY Recording Equipment Colour module would be up your alley? You could go for tube, transistor, transformer etc saturation and blend to taste.
I know that I use saturation a lot when I'm dealing with a peaky snare mic, etc. Things that are too fast and clean sounding that shouldn't be.
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Post by joseph on Jun 13, 2016 13:12:01 GMT -6
Ah, thanks, I'll look into that.
From the other perspective I want a distressor with better tone and not as edgy on vocals.
I guess this is why people often use a distressor on snare and 1176 on vocals.
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Post by svart on Jun 14, 2016 8:01:13 GMT -6
I think it's important to know that, if you "round" a peak, you're already adding "saturation", AKA distortion. There is no such thing as distortion free compression.
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Post by joseph on Jun 14, 2016 8:51:00 GMT -6
I think it's important to know that, if you "round" a peak, you're already adding "saturation", AKA distortion. There is no such thing as distortion free compression. Yeah I know, but the character of each compressor will affect transient in different way, and because of element and knee rounding of edge can occur before you hear the obvious compression or grab per se. Some compressors are not going to calm the edge of a rimshot sufficiently without the compressor being set at too high a ratio or too fast with too much grab. So I'm looking for a compressor with right attack and saturation curve to deal with pokey timbres, not a clean super fast compressor and not a dirty one. And not a transient designer, don't want to go down that rabbit hole. Seems FET is best bet.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 14, 2016 9:21:35 GMT -6
I think it's important to know that, if you "round" a peak, you're already adding "saturation", AKA distortion. There is no such thing as distortion free compression. My modified 651's do .002% THD+noise, best I've ever measured in a compressor, opto, VCA or jfet. It does not "round off" waveforms, it reduces amplitude without affecting waveform symetry. There are ways of reducing peaks without introducing distortion. I use these on acoustic jazz and no one can detect them operating. The guys at the Record Plant said it best: "The Expressors work like there's a little man inside running a fader up and down who's faster and smarter than we are".
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Post by Randge on Jun 14, 2016 9:25:12 GMT -6
The Capi 526 and Elysia Envelope together are working pretty well here for that type of work. I also will use the Valley People Dynamite plug for some push and edge.
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Post by joseph on Jun 14, 2016 14:58:08 GMT -6
Thanks for all the great suggestions, guys.
Capi 526 is looking real good. Maybe I can get one tweaked out for max color.
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