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Post by jdc on Jun 6, 2017 8:01:13 GMT -6
I remember that Randy Kohrs had done shootouts in his Slack Key studio between the RTZ and real Neves, and the conclusion was everyone picked the RTZ. I vaguely recall the consensus of it being the same basic sound, only better. The Stam is designed to be like a Neve and not an RTZ, so there's no fault if it in fact sounds different than the RTZ, which is meant to be a modernized Neve style sound. But it would be interesting to hear the differences, because they may be differences of taste, and not necessarily one being "better" than the other. Thank you! I have a two channel RTZ and am wondering how the Stam would compliment it. So far I love the SA4000 I've got and I'm excited to get my 47 from him
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2017 8:09:16 GMT -6
The RTZ's sound great. I remember it being thicker than the Heritage I had at the time. IMHO, I think the Stam is thicker and a little darker (less brightness on top - which is a good thing to me) than the Heritage.
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Post by stam on Jun 6, 2017 8:48:24 GMT -6
stam Johnkenn ( so you know immediately ) First let me say publicly that I apologize. However I have been frustrated with how our business dealings went. Now I am apologizing because I Am Wrong and You Are Right regarding the refund and trying to make right with me. On 3/21 / 2017 YOU ACTUALLY OFFERED ME A FULL REFUND and to that email you see I never mentioned or responded regarding a refund because I Never Got It until now. I have email correspondence from us in my inbox but it appears I have missed a few emails from you in my Junk / trash/ spam folder. I have emails from 3/11, 3/21, 3/22 which I just got and read now. I would love a full refund thank you 🤠🙏 PayPal is nkornman66@yahoo.com $590 was the total. Please contact me via email to take care of your refund, this way we can make sure it does not go into spam again. stamaudio@gmail.com
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 6, 2017 10:17:53 GMT -6
The RTZ's sound great. I remember it being thicker than the Heritage I had at the time. IMHO, I think the Stam is thicker and a little darker (less brightness on top - which is a good thing to me) than the Heritage. Now I'm even more excited. My SA73 is on the way. I assume it will sound the same as the 1073MP, only one channel.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 6, 2017 10:37:22 GMT -6
stam Johnkenn ( so you know immediately ) First let me say publicly that I apologize. However I have been frustrated with how our business dealings went. Now I am apologizing because I Am Wrong and You Are Right regarding the refund and trying to make right with me. On 3/21 / 2017 YOU ACTUALLY OFFERED ME A FULL REFUND and to that email you see I never mentioned or responded regarding a refund because I Never Got It until now. I have email correspondence from us in my inbox but it appears I have missed a few emails from you in my Junk / trash/ spam folder. I have emails from 3/11, 3/21, 3/22 which I just got and read now. I would love a full refund thank you 🤠🙏 PayPal is nkornman66@yahoo.com $590 was the total. Please contact me via email to take care of your refund, this way we can make sure it does not go into spam again. stamaudio@gmail.com Email sent. Thank you again for going to the extra lengths to take care of me. You are a man of your word.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 6, 2017 10:42:14 GMT -6
Anyone have the chance to compare the Stam to an RTZ? Leave one for me please
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 1, 2017 0:50:24 GMT -6
I remember that Randy Kohrs had done shootouts in his Slack Key studio between the RTZ and real Neves, and the conclusion was everyone picked the RTZ. I vaguely recall the consensus of it being the same basic sound, only better. The Stam is designed to be like a Neve and not an RTZ, so there's no fault if it in fact sounds different than the RTZ, which is meant to be a modernized Neve style sound. But it would be interesting to hear the differences, because they may be differences of taste, and not necessarily one being "better" than the other. Thank you! I have a two channel RTZ and am wondering how the Stam would compliment it. So far I love the SA4000 I've got and I'm excited to get my 47 from him R u wanting to sell the RTZ to fund any of these new purchases? Have heard that once you use the RTZ you become more friendly and sharing with your forum buddies and want them to relish in the wonderful sound as well 😎😂
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 2, 2017 16:00:48 GMT -6
I've only done one brief thing with the SA73, and my very early impression is I like it. I needed a reference of a new song, so I just sang and played at the same time. I have a good sense memory for sound, and it's too premature to say anything definite, but it really did remind me of the sound of the Neve console I used at Fab Dupont's studio two years ago.
I had the same initial gut response, and my best description is "muscular". I didn't find any weakness anywhere, the low end is solid, and surprisingly, there's a little sheen and sparkly sweetness in the very high end. Like when a good guitar is balanced, the low end is tight, but the highs are not dulled.
I'll have to use it more to get a comprehensive feel for it. Maybe I'll start a new thread when I do.
I'd love to know more about the differences when compared to the RTZ. But even if the RTZ is something even more desirable, I don't think I'd ever want to let this one go. I didn't feel that way about the other preamps I've had.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 19:19:29 GMT -6
I got the Sowter output transformers...I'm sure you guys have read where I've mentioned it before, but I really, really like this thing. A lot. Super natural on the top end and upper mids. And that's what I remember from using the vintage stuff. Bigger than life on bottom and natural on top. I would highly, highly recommend this thing. you still using this? how u liking it? i have one on backorder.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 23, 2020 21:36:06 GMT -6
Yes I am Gearlust. It's untouchable on bass. It's also good to have the Neve style option for vocals and guitars. It depends on the song's vibe which preamp I use.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2020 23:09:39 GMT -6
I got the Sowter output transformers...I'm sure you guys have read where I've mentioned it before, but I really, really like this thing. A lot. Super natural on the top end and upper mids. And that's what I remember from using the vintage stuff. Bigger than life on bottom and natural on top. I would highly, highly recommend this thing. you still using this? how u liking it? i have one on backorder. My main pre
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2020 23:16:45 GMT -6
Well, the 1073 eq.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 7:41:10 GMT -6
Yes I am Gearlust. It's untouchable on bass. It's also good to have the Neve style option for vocals and guitars. It depends on the song's vibe which preamp I use. Martin you have the older version? mk1?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2020 8:40:38 GMT -6
Yes, I think it's Mk 1.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 9:09:28 GMT -6
you still using this? how u liking it? i have one on backorder. My main pre which other pres you have? that one guy who u kicked from site, that was complaining about the DI, is it really that bad? either way, id be more than happy if the preamp is close to the vintage.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2020 9:27:24 GMT -6
which other pres you have? that one guy who u kicked from site, that was complaining about the DI, is it really that bad? either way, id be more than happy if the preamp is close to the vintage. Wait - who did I kick from the site? I remember one guy that said he did extensive testing and it was much better than his BAE...then he completely reversed his opinion...then come to find out he only played direct guitar through the DI lol. That guy? (He deleted his own account btw) I don't use the DI actually, I tried it in the beginning and it didn't floor me...I can check again, though. Didn't buy it for the DI, though. I have had hundreds of pres. Right now, I've only got this, CAPI Platinums and a Shinybox Si Pre...which is a really killer, affordable clean pre.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:16:04 GMT -6
which other pres you have? that one guy who u kicked from site, that was complaining about the DI, is it really that bad? either way, id be more than happy if the preamp is close to the vintage. Wait - who did I kick from the site? I remember one guy that said he did extensive testing and it was much better than his BAE...then he completely reversed his opinion...then come to find out he only played direct guitar through the DI lol. That guy? (He deleted his own account btw) I don't use the DI actually, I tried it in the beginning and it didn't floor me...I can check again, though. Didn't buy it for the DI, though. I have had hundreds of pres. Right now, I've only got this, CAPI Platinums and a Shinybox Si Pre...which is a really killer, affordable clean pre. lol yea him, actually he kicked himself out. yea dude switched to BAE out of nowhere by paying 3xtimes the price for a DI, screw that. wow if you went through hundreds of pre, and now this is your main one, that's saying something. i been checking out pres shootout, and most sound pretty indistinguishable, unless my ears are shot lol. i just wanted to see what the hype hype behind neves, cause i never owned one. the talk alone on gearslutz made me want to try it, or maybe it isnt hype. sofar i gota spl aes pre which is awesome.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2020 10:20:53 GMT -6
OK, ok...maybe hundreds is hyperbolic...more like 50...Anyway, yes - it's a really well done clone. Love the Sowter transformer. There are a couple on Reverb I saw...Anyway, I could use any number of pres...I prefer the Neve style for vocals - or a Helios. BAE, Avedis, RTZ, Martech, etc. The list of good pres is a long one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:29:38 GMT -6
OK, ok...maybe hundreds is hyperbolic...more like 50...Anyway, yes - it's a really well done clone. Love the Sowter transformer. There are a couple on Reverb I saw...Anyway, I could use any number of pres...I prefer the Neve style for vocals - or a Helios. BAE, Avedis, RTZ, Martech, etc. The list of good pres is a long one. helios is another one i was debating to get from stam. you have the original? how different are they from neves? they more transparent? how would you describe them, since you used it. you gona get one stam is making?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2020 10:36:05 GMT -6
Have no idea what the Stam version sounds like. The reissue Helios which are no longer made sounded great. Really beautiful top end - different than Neve. That 10khz shelf on the Helios was beautiful. I preferred the midrange EQ on the Helios too - the freq choices that is. Pre wise, it had kind of a nice lower mid bump in comparison - kind of a fullness. People often call it "woody." Whatever the hell that means. The one negative to the Helios was the headroom. Horrible headroom and very unpleasant distortion (if you ask me.) So, they have to be gain staged correctly. That often meant me adding an in-line pad before the pre or the -20 pad on the pre. Then making up gain with a compressor or clip gain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:43:14 GMT -6
Have no idea what the Stam version sounds like. The reissue Helios which are no longer made sounded great. Really beautiful top end - different than Neve. That 10khz shelf on the Helios was beautiful. I preferred the midrange EQ on the Helios too - the freq choices that is. Pre wise, it had kind of a nice lower mid bump in comparison - kind of a fullness. People often call it "woody." Whatever the hell that means. The one negative to the Helios was the headroom. Horrible headroom and very unpleasant distortion (if you ask me.) So, they have to be gain staged correctly. That often meant me adding an in-line pad before the pre or the -20 pad on the pre. Then making up gain with a compressor or clip gain. thanks for the valuable information. i was confused about woody too, im guessing it means natural sounding, who knows i went to your soundcloud.. you have any tracks on there you using the stam 1073, or helios re-issue on vocals that i can check out?
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Post by brenta on Jan 24, 2020 10:48:29 GMT -6
I've got a Stam mk1 with Sowters (no EQ) and a BAE and several other pres. The DI on the Stam is awesome. Usually I am going into a direct box then into the Stam. The only time I go direct in the DI is when I'm recording myself, mostly just because of laziness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 11:12:03 GMT -6
I've got a Stam mk1 with Sowters (no EQ) and a BAE and several other pres. The DI on the Stam is awesome. Usually I am going into a direct box then into the Stam. The only time I go direct in the DI is when I'm recording myself, mostly just because of laziness. i believe the mk2 has more low end.. how do stam compare to BAE? in your opinion cause the other is much more expensive.
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Post by brenta on Jan 24, 2020 12:20:09 GMT -6
The Stam as more low end and low mids. Its also a bit darker. The BAE has more harmonic distortion in the upper mids. The BAE has a little more detail but that is probably because it's a little brighter. The Stam has a bit higher fidelity.
I haven't tried the Stam with Carnhills but I would guess that it would sound really, really close to the BAE. The difference in price is more because of where they are manufactured. California vs Chile/China.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2020 12:41:02 GMT -6
Have no idea what the Stam version sounds like. The reissue Helios which are no longer made sounded great. Really beautiful top end - different than Neve. That 10khz shelf on the Helios was beautiful. I preferred the midrange EQ on the Helios too - the freq choices that is. Pre wise, it had kind of a nice lower mid bump in comparison - kind of a fullness. People often call it "woody." Whatever the hell that means. The one negative to the Helios was the headroom. Horrible headroom and very unpleasant distortion (if you ask me.) So, they have to be gain staged correctly. That often meant me adding an in-line pad before the pre or the -20 pad on the pre. Then making up gain with a compressor or clip gain. thanks for the valuable information. i was confused about woody too, im guessing it means natural sounding, who knows i went to your soundcloud.. you have any tracks on there you using the stam 1073, or helios re-issue on vocals that i can check out? Most of those first 7-8 were the Stam...but by the time you fit everything in the mix - a dense mix - the preamp is kind’ve six of one half dozen the other in my opinion. If the pre is thick and doesn’t futz up the top end I’m good. Check out Angry Right Now on my reverbnation page. That’s a Helios vocal that sounds great.
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