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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2016 18:26:00 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Aug 26, 2017 19:45:31 GMT -6
I had made a mental note....they're on 30% off right now, so I bought the Wurlie and B5.
The B5 is lovely. The acoustic wind noise is hilarious. Love it. SO leaving it on....
I think organ emus are personal due to the kinds of sounds people prefer....in a mix, I might prefer the new LPX organ....but, at the same time, solo'd this will sound more "real" just because of all the noises.
The drawbars move during sustains....which is super important to anyone (I know) who plays....no one sets the drawbars and leaves them there. it's the reason physical modeling has been the best solution.
This does hit my little mobile i5 really hard....and as such, I get a good amount of glitching sitting here playing it with a full band playing around it....just pointing that out for anyone who considers such things--this is one where not having a fast SINGLE CORE performance will hurt.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 26, 2017 20:00:43 GMT -6
I'm loving it. How's the wurlie?
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Post by popmann on Aug 26, 2017 20:26:30 GMT -6
It's nice sounding....it has some tuning issues hat pissed me off when I got it last week. But, since they give you a place in the UI to tune each note, I'm going to assume they KNOW that....I wish they' make some presets though--like "440"....."stretch tuned"....and "original condition" or something. I don't want to custom tune a virtual instrument I buy, you know? And, I suppose there are people who just use it as is like "hey--it's charming"....they probably weren't counting on using it as reference chords to play a fretless bass track to.... I like it. It's much less rich than the Scarbee....which in a mix is a good thing--solo, not as much....much more kind boxy and....not pretty? I don't think it's as nice as the Kronos's EP1 run in through the LA610....but, it's close....and it's....you know--"already IN".
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 27, 2017 13:10:21 GMT -6
I thought it was more "throaty" than others I've used...you can really get it to scream. Where are the tuning issues? I know Vintage Organs B3 is off like 4 or 5 cents altogether. It's crazy to me that anyone would have any use for that.
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Post by popmann on Aug 27, 2017 14:41:07 GMT -6
The Wurlie had the tuning issues. Low C was "gone" out....and I remember some of the octaves in the middle of the board's Ebs were what alerted me to it....because the tune I bought it to use on is in Bb....so, everytime I'd move to the 4 chord I would grimace....I kept mentally blaming my fretless bass, because well--it's me playing fretless bass and sometimes, it's.....liquid ....but, then I sat down to work on the part with just the Wurlie and still grimaced no matter what voicing I used for the Eb.... I didn't notice anything with the organ. shouldn't be....because frankly, for better or worse, you CAN'T get an out of tune Hammond. It's how I know my old Peterson is 3cents sharp. I just went through with my Kronos's Wurli (which is properly stretched FWIW) on note by note in their UI and matched pitch. Saved the patch as "in tune". I've sat down with it and forgotten to recall that and had it not bother me....and then other times it did....so, likely just key specific.
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Post by popmann on Aug 27, 2017 20:36:37 GMT -6
And to further add to this....it's only out of tune in Logic. Um.....if I run it stand alone, the default tuning is in tune. Both running 88.2....so....no idea why it was so sour in Logic. But, then Logic has all kinds of "global tuning" settings per project....I know that one isn't currently set weird....BUT....since the ability exists, maybe it's corrupt somehow.
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Post by popmann on Aug 28, 2017 12:50:17 GMT -6
FWIW....just tried them on the antique Windows box....pulled it out of the closet with the thought "if it can't handle these newer VIs, I'll give it away."
It handled them (except load time--from it's magnetic) WAY better. Lower latency, more responsive....and while they use more CPU than the nearly none that most sample based VIs use....I ran the three most CPU demanding all at once in a rave up gospel vibe--AD2 looping some beat while I played chords on the Wurlie and glissando'd all up and down the B5.
Of course, there are WAY more differences than the OS....in fact there's nothing the SAME EXCEPT the UVI Workstation!! But....wow....I gotta get back to a desktop class machine in the studio.
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Post by popmann on Sept 3, 2017 0:08:23 GMT -6
I dunno that I love the Wurlie. If you need a Wurli for a rock tune--where Scarbee's (or my Kronos) is too "soft" to cut....maybe...but, it's really boxy.
The B5 I've got a bug with....well...."bug"....my hardware drawbars that have worked for 25 years with literally every piece of software organ emulation ever....stop at "1"--otherwise, all drawbars are always on at least at one click unless you take a mouse and click it all the way off. I need to draft up a quick explanation for them...see if we can get it fixed. I'll need to record the throw of my drawbar control and see what it's technically sending....but, B4, B4II, LPX Vintage Organ, Blue, Vb3....have I used other over the years? They all work as expected--all the way in turns the drawbar off. What makes it a worse bug here is that this is sample based--so, it means all those drawbars that are "barely out" are chewing another voice of polyphony.
Just update for the record.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 15, 2017 21:12:44 GMT -6
These guys make some of my favorite sample banks. I love love love the Wurlie. Very real sounding.
The old black grand is great, too. I really want this organ now. Though I really do enjoy the native instruments vintage organs. A friend swears by the trillian guys keys. Forget their name. They make omnisphere.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 15, 2017 21:28:07 GMT -6
Yeah. Keyscape. I want that too. In fact I put it in my basket on sweetwater and then saw it was boxed. Moment over. That will probably be what I end up with.
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Post by popmann on Sept 15, 2017 22:49:11 GMT -6
Native Instruments Vintage Organs is the worst of the worst. Don't expect this to RESEMBLE that.....this is more on par with the new model in LogicX. Better than the Cx3/B4/Vb3 era models. IMO, obviously....kinda my jam, though. For both the B5 and the Wurlie, the unique bits are that they include all the "acoustic" noises. So, it doesn't sound more like a Wurlie on a record than say Scarbee or the Kronos--but, because it has those acoustic noises, it sounds more like it does to sit at a wurly and play. All the plink and plunks of the mechanism. You'd only pick those up o na recording if you mic'd the little speakers, which isn't the typical modern way to record a Wurly. Regardless....they're nice VIs. I'm helping their support roll in a preset for the old Voce MIDI Drawbar unit for the next version. That's been my only gripe--is that is doesn't read those right, and if I can't move my drawbars while I play....well, I gotta. Keyscape doesn't have a Hammond. FWIW. Wulitzers, yes.....you can download Keyscapes, John. It's not ONLY boxed.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 16, 2017 7:10:51 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Sept 16, 2017 8:40:24 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 16, 2017 14:48:03 GMT -6
I didn't notice anything with the organ. shouldn't be....because frankly, for better or worse, you CAN'T get an out of tune Hammond. It's how I know my old Peterson is 3cents sharp. Actually that's not quite true. Hammonds use a synchronous motor that locks the tuning to the line current frequency. Usually that's quite reliable, but not always. Obviously if you use a US 60 Hz Hammond on UK 50 Hz it's going to be off unless you VSO it. But the really insidious case is if you're running off a generator with poor speed regulation on the motor. This is actually annoyingly common on local outdoor gigs put on by promotors who skimp on the tech. Why it would happen on a sample set I don't know unless those creating it were running on backup power for some reason, or if the local power company had poor frequency regulation. That's extremely uncommon but not impossible.
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Post by popmann on Sept 16, 2017 18:03:51 GMT -6
The Hammond samples have no tuning issues. It was the Wurlie....and at my request, they've issued an update that makes it 440 by default. They didn't include a stretch preset (yet), which I also requested, but....they updated the 440 within a day or two of my logging it. They apparently had already done that at some point in the past and overwrote the tuning table by accident in an update.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 26, 2017 22:29:22 GMT -6
Native Instruments Vintage Organs is the worst of the worst. Why's that? Save
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Post by popmann on Sept 27, 2017 7:45:08 GMT -6
Because it sound less like a Hammond than the product it replaced in their line? One of the handful of instrument that "brung them".
You can't move the drawbars while you play and have that reflected in the sound.
They went from market leader in Hammond emulation....to being in the back of the line. That's quite a feat.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 27, 2017 17:22:42 GMT -6
Because it sound less like a Hammond than the product it replaced in their line? One of the handful of instrument that "brung them". You can't move the drawbars while you play and have that reflected in the sound. They went from market leader in Hammond emulation....to being in the back of the line. That's quite a feat. I'm not sure how the first sentence is a question, though I see what you are getting at. I was just curious as to your reasoning behind the very sweeping bold statement above. So the older product it replaced sounded more like a Hammond, and the drawbars are static. Got it. Save
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 3, 2017 20:49:40 GMT -6
Just gonna leave this here...
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Post by ragan on Nov 3, 2017 22:45:09 GMT -6
Actual organ sound is closer than the Leslie emulation is but still pretty cool if you ask me. Wish there was a truly convincing Leslie emulation.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2017 9:18:19 GMT -6
They just came out with an update yesterday.
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Post by ragan on Nov 4, 2017 9:25:37 GMT -6
They just came out with an update yesterday. Is that update what we’re listening to in this clip or no?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2017 9:35:59 GMT -6
I don’t think so. They redid the Leslie simulator I think.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2017 10:12:47 GMT -6
We just released the Version 2.2 of the B-5 Organ, it has a few new features and optimizations that are listed below. If you already own it, the steps to get it are explained at the bottom of this email. CPU optimization When we released the version 2, the CPU took a hit because of the very detailed features we added (Leslie, tube saturation, loudness robbing, voltage stealing, etc...) These features are still here but we optimized every bit of them as much as we could and it is now even more efficient than the V1. A new swell pedal model We knew from the start that the swell pedal wasn't just a volume change, but our model was just a little off. So we went back and recorded a few things and now have a very precise behaviour that allows for the bass to stick even if the pedal is all the way down just like on real organs. More precise Clicks We changed the way the voices are handled which allows us to be much more precise in how the clicks are triggered and they are now more in sync with the tonewheel voices. More precise Percussion For the same reason as for the clicks, the percussions are now also more precise resulting in an overall more responsive instrument. Hammond SK and XK support Thanks to the guys at UVI, we are now able to support the RPN and NRPN MIDI messages sent by the hammond XK and SK series. We asked a few of our users to help send some MIDI data and with their precious help (thanks again guys btw), we were able to pre-map all of these models. They can now be used without the use of third party MIDI softwares and everything will work straight out of the box (using the corresponding preset in the MIDI preferences). A refined Pedalboard simulation The pedalboard might not be used by all organ players, but the ones that do need it to be spot on! So we took another look at how it works and sounds and it is now almost indistinguishable from the real one.
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