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Post by mrholmes on May 10, 2016 7:37:24 GMT -6
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Post by sozocaps on May 10, 2016 7:46:55 GMT -6
It's REAL EASY... Create a rule that says if you upload content that is copy-written your account gets suspended and you can not get a new account ever... DONE.
They would never do that because they get to use and abuse and exploit the artist and make a billion a year off us...
But this country has such a problem... they can't even enforce the laws they have and the lobbyist with money corportations that pay for office seats(youtube) get the laws that benefit them (youtube) through congress... YouTube hides behind the DMCA’s "safe harbor" provision vs the artist outdated Digital Millennium Copyright Act
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Post by Quint on May 10, 2016 8:04:35 GMT -6
It's REAL EASY... Create a rule that says if you upload content that is copy-written your account gets suspended and you can not get a new account ever... DONE. They would never do that because they get to use and abuse and exploit the artist and make a billion a year off us... But this country has such a problem... they can't even enforce the laws they have and the lobbyist with money corportations that pay for office seats(youtube) get the laws that benefit them (youtube) through congress... YouTube hides behind the DMCA’s "safe harbor" provision vs the artist outdated Digital Millennium Copyright Act Agreed |
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Post by ericn on May 10, 2016 8:50:27 GMT -6
The problem is "The New Economy" isn't reinventing anything it's simply a bunch of guys who have found a way of circumventing the rules because it's digital!
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Post by rocinante on May 10, 2016 9:07:08 GMT -6
Yeah umm... I hate to be the bearer of bad news as well but no one is gonna stop this. The only answer is to find ways to use it.
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Post by sozocaps on May 10, 2016 9:10:10 GMT -6
Yeah umm... I hate to be the bearer of bad news as well but no one is gonna stop this. The only answer is to find ways to use it. I thought about that too but HOW ? even if you get 5 million views you get like a hundred dollars ! Maybe you can become an advertising company on youtube... but that is NOT what I want to do for a living or I would of been a marketing major in College.... |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2016 9:11:03 GMT -6
It's REAL EASY... Create a rule that says if you upload content that is copy-written your account gets suspended and you can not get a new account ever... DONE. They would never do that because they get to use and abuse and exploit the artist and make a billion a year off us... But this country has such a problem... they can't even enforce the laws they have and the lobbyist with money corportations that pay for office seats(youtube) get the laws that benefit them (youtube) through congress... YouTube hides behind the DMCA’s "safe harbor" provision vs the artist outdated Digital Millennium Copyright Act YouTube (Google) would never do that. They couldn't care less that artists are exploited. All they care about is traffic to sell ads. No legislation will ever be passed in this country to change it. Bitch and moan all we want but it won't help. Lobbyists own this country. Plus the Internet is global. They would simply setup off shore and continue buisiness as usual. Very sad but true. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2016 9:20:37 GMT -6
Why can't artists and content owners for a "collective" that boycotts youtube...or something...have the RIAA, NARAS, CMA, BMI, ASCAP, SESAC get on board with it and promote it. Spend money and make it a campaign.
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Post by rocinante on May 10, 2016 9:28:44 GMT -6
John someone will always sell out and in turn sell you (us) out.
I haven't a solution I am just stating the reality.
I'm not saying give up either but fighting this is like trying to coerce a tornado out of trailer park (you guys can keep that one).
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Post by ericn on May 10, 2016 9:29:54 GMT -6
Why can't artists and content owners for a "collective" that boycotts youtube...or something...have the RIAA, NARAS, CMA, BMI, ASCAP, SESAC get on board with it and promote it. Spend money and make it a campaign. Reality check my man, you me maybe the wives but now let's try and get my son and your daughter to boycott ! The other problem is for everything that's in violation there's something an artist put up there! The other big problem is we no longer have record companies, we have media companies and they make money! Music is just a marketing tool now, the new Timberlake is from a movie! Oh the brave new world scares the hell out of me! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2016 9:38:08 GMT -6
I'm just spitballing
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Post by sozocaps on May 10, 2016 9:52:43 GMT -6
Artists lives matter ALM group
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Post by mrholmes on May 10, 2016 17:38:17 GMT -6
Why can't artists and content owners for a "collective" that boycotts youtube...or something...have the RIAA, NARAS, CMA, BMI, ASCAP, SESAC get on board with it and promote it. Spend money and make it a campaign. German GEMA did try that. What we need is an international writers union. ASCAP NARAS GEMA SACEM etc and all the other collectors in the world. Because the Problem is Global, its not a small region its everywhere in the world. But we a react like the dogs with the electric shock - learned helplessness. The big data leaders laugh at us as as long a single country makes a law. But we have seen in the past they stop to laugh if the whole EU, or the whole USA is reacting on a Problem. The best would be if they the USA and the EU would protect the writers. At least its an industry with million of Jobs on both sides of the ocean. Its nothing as robbery. And if my school time wasn't for bad I remember that the USA did divide Standard-Oil because the company got too powerful. Same is true for Google.... they have too much concentrated power. |
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Post by rowmat on May 10, 2016 17:51:12 GMT -6
I have a friend who pays for none of the music or movies he downloads and hasn't for years.
Of course this is also the norm for many.
He seems unperturbed that he is effectively stealing from the artist and justifies it because... "Everybody does it".
He has also been hinting at me for months that he'd like to come into the studio and bring his friend's daughter who he said is a talented budding musician for us to record.
I said to him... "How can she afford to pay us to record her if guys like you are going to steal her music after she records it?"
His response was... "You mean you aren't going to record her for free??"
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Post by jeromemason on May 10, 2016 18:46:07 GMT -6
It's pretty scary just how powerful Google is. Back in '07ish I assisted in a lawsuit filed by a blues record company against Google for allowing their ads to be placed on torrent and pirate websites. We collected piles and piles of data, built an algorithm that crawled Google 24/7 and automatically sent DMCA's. After a year we found that infringement just on that little label, a blues label had grown, not decreased and that there were more ads on the pirate sites despite the lawsuit filed.
It made national headlines about a little blues label suing Google, but these guys have so much damn money it's basically impossible. We even started lobbying congress and I found out really quickly that you don't lobby against Google or any other company with that kind of capital unless you got it too. You're turned away before you ever even reach the steps..... once Google found out we were there some crazy stuff started happening and I'm not getting into conspiracies, but it was very real for us in the middle of it.
By Azoff directly addressing Google in a public manner he automatically puts them on the defensive in the public eye, but Google knows most of the public is on their side, they want their free music so who cares. It's going to take legislation that is backed by people and congressmen/women that is personal. Until it affects them Google will just throw a million here a million there, they don't care. Of course they can control it, but that would eat away at what we came to call their "grey revenue." They wave a white flag with "we can't control that" like they're some kind of open source based company..... rubbish. They can fix it anytime they want.
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Post by mrholmes on May 10, 2016 21:02:40 GMT -6
It will only work if we stand united and if we, the right holders, make this public as often as we can.
Last year I did talk to mayor managers why we do not work together in the yt case .... now they want - but just because google is blackmailing them by now too.
It needs something to happen because google is destroying the music culture, special the one in the us where pop music is grown naturally.
Who thinks that its a good idea to kill his own culture?
The truth is that google and fb are the ones who want to destroy democracy.
They want the total deregulation, they want to let do algorithms decissions.
How well will a society work based on Google algorithm?
And how well deregulation works can we see since the 70s with the banking sector.
We are in a constant crisis mode since then.... well done?
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Post by drbill on May 10, 2016 21:44:10 GMT -6
We live in very sophisticated times. Very technologically advanced times. But politics is a century behind. Before they even had a clue, technologists had them by the balls, and the rest as they say is history. As much as I'd like to think things can be regulated and straightened out, I think we passed that opportunity a decade or so ago. If you're a spiritual person, one might think we are in the end times.....
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Post by yotonic on May 10, 2016 21:59:50 GMT -6
Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end
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Post by tonycamphd on May 10, 2016 23:14:47 GMT -6
It's a matter of law enforcement, ISRC codes exist, so does "shazaam", it identifies music, so those types of code/algo's could protect creators if laws were enforced, and meant to be followed by the monied, it seems the American dream is just that anymore, a dream, because you have to be fucking asleep to believe it! Having opportunity fosters hope, taking away opportunity kills hope, a hopeless population gives rise to demagoguery, and can turn dangerous real quick, just sayin.....
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Post by rowmat on May 11, 2016 1:16:19 GMT -6
It's a matter of law enforcement, ISRC codes exist, so does "shazaam", it identifies music, so those types of code/algo's could protect creators if laws were enforced, and meant to be followed by the monied, it seems the American dream is just that anymore, a dream, because you have to be fucking asleep to believe it! Having opportunity fosters hope, taking away opportunity kills hope, a hopeless population gives rise to demagoguery, and can turn dangerous real quick, just sayin..... |
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Post by mrholmes on May 11, 2016 3:42:28 GMT -6
It's a matter of law enforcement, ISRC codes exist, so does "shazaam", it identifies music, so those types of code/algo's could protect creators if laws were enforced, and meant to be followed by the monied, it seems the American dream is just that anymore, a dream, because you have to be fucking asleep to believe it! Having opportunity fosters hope, taking away opportunity kills hope, a hopeless population gives rise to demagoguery, and can turn dangerous real quick, just sayin..... Watch the monolog "the end of the american dream" its not only meant for the USA. In all western countries those things happen. Today it obvious to everyone. Politics is not about you me - the people. Its about to support super rich people and thier businesses. Its not a left wing topic anymore. I can see it year by year doing my taxes. I pay the taxes the rich should pay, but they pay way less taxes, in percentage, than I do. With this everybody works for making the rich class even more rich... I dont have any questions. I just want to see a true change in politics around the globe. They cant fool everyone all the time. Google is a part of this system. If everything fails they buy opinions.... |
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2016 8:44:50 GMT -6
It's a matter of law enforcement, ISRC codes exist, so does "shazaam", it identifies music, so those types of code/algo's could protect creators if laws were enforced, and meant to be followed by the monied, it seems the American dream is just that anymore, a dream, because you have to be fucking asleep to believe it! Having opportunity fosters hope, taking away opportunity kills hope, a hopeless population gives rise to demagoguery, and can turn dangerous real quick, just sayin..... Part of the problem is it is not realistic nor practical for govement to enforce all the laws it creates. We are left with the courts and class action as the only venue to right the wrong. Class action would mean a law firm would profit and those wronged would receive checks worth less than the paper they were printed on. The irony is if we were still in the age of the label owns our soul they would be fighting for every red cent. |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2016 9:03:29 GMT -6
It's a matter of law enforcement, ISRC codes exist, so does "shazaam", it identifies music, so those types of code/algo's could protect creators if laws were enforced, and meant to be followed by the monied, it seems the American dream is just that anymore, a dream, because you have to be fucking asleep to believe it! Having opportunity fosters hope, taking away opportunity kills hope, a hopeless population gives rise to demagoguery, and can turn dangerous real quick, just sayin..... Part of the problem is it is not realistic nor practical for govement to enforce all the laws it creates. We are left with the courts and class action as the only venue to right the wrong. Class action would mean a law firm would profit and those wronged would receive checks worth less than the paper they were printed on. The irony is if we were still in the age of the label owns our soul they would be fighting for every red cent. interesting, I hear ya but, if i don't pay my electric bill, my lights magically shut off, if I don't pay my phone bill, my phone magically shuts off, if i don't pay my car payment, it magically disappears while i'm in the store, if i don't pay for a piece of music, a simple algorithm shuts it down..., oh wait... whaaaaaaaa? I say it's a matter of monied will. |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2016 9:08:06 GMT -6
you know what would be badass, is an ISRC counter in devices, you get 5 free listens, then your rig shuts it down, and you have to buy it, ISRC codes do NOT get removed as far as I understand, alas, i'm probably wrong...
you can only assign an ipod to certain devices... right? the tech is out there if the will is...
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 11, 2016 9:21:32 GMT -6
you know when you bounce down a mp3 from your session and you don't include any information about yourself in the metadata? and the resulting file is just pure audio data with no means of identifying who owns it (other than shazam)?
If you buy music on iTunes nowadays, you might have noticed that they stopped distributing m4p's and went back to m4a's, which can be opened on any computer. they removed the DRM protection because everyone complained about not being able to play the music they bought on their android/Windows device or burn it to a mp3(data) CD to play it on their car stereo that doesn't have an AUX or USB input.
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