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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 17, 2016 6:48:20 GMT -6
should be fun! it's for a CCM-type tune for a client.
Mics worth using at my disposal are:
MicRehab CV4
AKG 414B-ULS
RE20
Pair of RODE NT5s
Preamps to pick from:
AML ez1073-500 (pair)
VP28 (pair)
Apogee Symphony 8MicPre card
Any advice for how to get the best sound? Track 'em in stereo? Double-track?
We'll be layering some electrics as well, so it'll be pretty guitar-heavy.
they want this type of sound for the guitars:
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Post by odyssey76 on Mar 17, 2016 7:00:48 GMT -6
Depends on the style obviously but unless it's an intimate, singer-songwriter type I'm a huge fan of double tracking acoustics and electrics. Two different guitars if possible with 2 different mics, pan one hard left and one hard right and, if the takes were really good and close to one another performance-wise, you'll have a very wide, huge stereo image.
Watch out for strange, unpleasant resonances from the AC Git/ room combo and take your time placing your mics appropriately. VP28's all the way for me and guitars!!
Good luck!
Edit: didn't listen to the clip you posted because I'm on an iPhone. I'll check it out later.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 17, 2016 7:08:28 GMT -6
cool, appreciate the advice! That clip sounds like it's live, so i'm guessing it's all DI'd acoustics...
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2016 7:12:11 GMT -6
Yeah - unless it's an intimate guitar focused part, I would track 2 different acoustics in mono. Pan L&R. Second one in a different inversion. No phase to deal with and you can get cool voicings.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2016 7:13:05 GMT -6
I bet the CV4 would sound great on the 12th fret.
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Post by unit7 on Mar 17, 2016 7:18:27 GMT -6
CV4 approx 10" from approx where the neck meets the body, slightly pointing towards the center of body. Musician, instrument, pick, room and mic placement will affect the sound more than the choice of your nice pres, so I wouldn't care that much about that choice. Re stereo, I do stereo only if the arrangement/instrumentation has room for it. Doubling is quite another thing, another estethic so to speak. And DI'd acoustics...could be used in special cases (didn't listen to the reference) but generally it's a dreadful sound...  (if you're looking for a natural acoustic sound) |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 17, 2016 7:47:03 GMT -6
^ all good advise IMO, don't be afraid to take that CV4 even farther away than 10" if your room is quiet enough today? 8) pay attention to low whoomph, it's presence is usually dictated by the instrument and player, just back off as far as you need to keep the guitar sounding natural, use a modest high pass, distance=depth until you fall off the edge of the earth, or get attacked by crickets 8)
btw, huge Vp28 proponent for AC guitar, cracked on the input, wide open on the output for sparkly pretty, wide open input(within reason) , closed up output for dirty sweet 70 AC, good luck Chuck!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 17, 2016 7:58:52 GMT -6
For something like this, I would think double tracked and thin. This CCM stuff is all about the big vocals and the acoustics are usually just fill sounds right?
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Post by svart on Mar 17, 2016 8:08:15 GMT -6
Sounds like they aren't the focus of the music. I'd do mono with the NT5's and 1073's. Start positioning around 8" back from the 12th fret and angle them towards or away from the sound holes for more or less "body" sound.
Closer micing will give more "hifi" sound, further makes it more dull but more even sounding frequency wise.
I'd actually do the other basic instruments first, the ones that will be the main focus, and then do the acoustics after. This allows your placement to make the acoustics fit into the mix better.
I'm with Jesse though, I bet it will be a thin sound you're after based on my experience.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2016 8:15:08 GMT -6
another thought, might be MS as you could use either the mono signal and or spread out to what ever level of stereo you want in your mix ?
depend on how flat your room sound is as that would be picked up by the figure 8 ? |
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 17, 2016 10:43:11 GMT -6
Yeah, definitely track mono if it's a gtr heavy tune. I've tracked with a modded CV4 -> VP28. Sounds badass. Double track for extra width. Don't be afraid to back that mic up. Low mid oomph from proximity is really hard to dial out without losing body and sounding fake. Find the right balance between proximity and getting too much room in the mic. Definitely think ahead. You'll be tempted by a full rich low end, but it'll just give you a headache come mix time.
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Post by Randge on Mar 17, 2016 11:05:17 GMT -6
Most importantly with heavy laden guitars is proper high pass filtering to get them to speak without fighting each other.
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Post by svart on Mar 17, 2016 11:11:44 GMT -6
Most importantly with heavy laden guitars is proper high pass filtering to get them to speak without fighting each other. So many times I've had guitarists listen to my tracks solo (looking for bad notes, etc) and complain about how thin they sound.. Then when unsoloed they suddenly "get it".. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 17, 2016 19:49:54 GMT -6
Thanks for all the advice guys! I can't share the track publicly, but if ya want to hear it, shoot me a PM and you can hear what we came up with.
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Post by sopwith on Mar 18, 2016 1:22:41 GMT -6
Ive had great luck recording mid side on acoustic with the modded cv4 in figure 8 turned perpendicular to where the neck meets the body, and a Gefell m300 right above it. Silky smooth tone, body from the cv4, presence and articulation from the gefell, but then you can mix the room back in for stereo image and space.
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(if you're looking for a natural acoustic sound) 
