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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 28, 2016 0:10:41 GMT -6
So I'm trying out these speakers. I love listening on them. They sound great although very different than what I was use to. Could you guys please check this rough mix on your systems and tell me what you hear? Clarity, separation, bass, treble, whatever. Just looking for feedback to adjust to these things. Thanks. dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65640533/First%20Amphion%20Mix.wav
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 28, 2016 1:30:32 GMT -6
Which model of amphion and are they burned in ?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 28, 2016 8:08:17 GMT -6
One 18s. Yes they are burned in.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 28, 2016 8:11:43 GMT -6
Saw your review afterwards .
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Post by swurveman on Feb 28, 2016 10:06:11 GMT -6
On both my Adam A7x and NS10's the level rim/snare volume level was a bit low and the snare tuning/mix emphasized low frequencies, but that may be what you intended. I enjoyed how clean sounding the instruments were. Nice tune.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 28, 2016 11:13:57 GMT -6
Sounds good to me, listening via earbuds thru my phone tho. The twangy guitars are a bit harsh but every instrument is in their own space on the sound stage, which is good. My only other comments are performance related, but it just sounds like an early production (you havent done edits or tightening yet). The speakers are definitely helping you get everything sounding right when you track it, thats for sure!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 28, 2016 12:14:41 GMT -6
Sounds good to me, listening via earbuds thru my phone tho. The twangy guitars are a bit harsh but every instrument is in their own space on the sound stage, which is good. My only other comments are performance related, but it just sounds like an early production (you havent done edits or tightening yet). The speakers are definitely helping you get everything sounding right when you track it, thats for sure! That's the very thing I've noticed Chuck! Love using them to dial in a sound for tracking!
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Post by sozocaps on Feb 28, 2016 13:08:03 GMT -6
Good tracking, but to me there is too much 930 in the vocal too much 825 guitar. Remove some 3.5K to the kic and some 5.3k. Hard to hear exactly what frequency without soloing the tracks. Overall there is clashing mid frequencies in the 800-1k and 3-5k ranges but just a little. This is what I hear.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 28, 2016 13:30:52 GMT -6
Sounds good to me, listening via earbuds thru my phone tho. The twangy guitars are a bit harsh but every instrument is in their own space on the sound stage, which is good. My only other comments are performance related, but it just sounds like an early production (you havent done edits or tightening yet). The speakers are definitely helping you get everything sounding right when you track it, thats for sure! That's the very thing I've noticed Chuck! Love using them to dial in a sound for tracking! How do you go about that if you're tracking yourself tho? Record, Listen back on speakers, adjust, repeat ad naseum?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 28, 2016 14:24:19 GMT -6
That's the very thing I've noticed Chuck! Love using them to dial in a sound for tracking! How do you go about that if you're tracking yourself tho?  Record, Listen back on speakers, adjust, repeat ad naseum? Yep. For mics I've always done that. It's a pain in the ass but headphones are not reliable enough. Only now with these, I feel like it's more accurate on playback.
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Post by jazznoise on Feb 28, 2016 19:52:24 GMT -6
As said, the upper mids on the kick are too much. Overall it's very mid-forward. The snare is very quiet, and quite dull. Considering the kick and hat has so much attack and volume, the snare and toms are little disconcerting.
I'm hearing noise on clips of this. Just mains hum, but it'd need to be removed for the quieter passages.
Really liking the guitars and the overall vocal timbre. Again a little midpushed but there's a great balance between everything, it's just the snare and toms.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 29, 2016 12:47:04 GMT -6
Using the recommendations of everyone above (Thanks for the help guys), here's the final. It's not perfect I know but I think it's going to take me some time getting use to these things.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/louisiana-moon
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 29, 2016 13:04:51 GMT -6
Hey Herbie,
you know, I have been listening carefully to your recordings for what 3-4 years now ?
first thought, when I listen to this recording is that the soundstage sounds improved, bigger, deeper and clearer or another way of saying that is that everything in the mix sound more defined , clearer and more in its place: including the ambiance.
Given the typical high quality of your recordings, that is saying a lot. I'd say the amphions are working for you in the sense of just letting you hear better into your mix and to mix accordingly.
Hope this reads as a compliment, as that is how it is meant.
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Post by porkyman on Feb 29, 2016 18:35:28 GMT -6
id get rid of the click in the kick. bring it down so you can just feel it accenting the bass but cant really hear it on its own. id also try to tame the hihat somehow. maybe a lpf or de-esser and/or move it out of the way... great song.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 29, 2016 21:34:09 GMT -6
Hey Herbie,
you know, I have been listening carefully to your recordings for what 3-4 years now ?
first thought, when I listen to this recording is that the soundstage sounds improved, bigger, deeper and clearer or another way of saying that is that everything in the mix sound more defined , clearer and more in its place: including the ambiance.
Given the typical high quality of your recordings, that is saying a lot. I'd say the amphions are working for you in the sense of just letting you hear better into your mix and to mix accordingly.
Hope this reads as a compliment, as that is how it is meant. Thx Matt. You're using Amphions too aren't you? Which amp are you using?
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Post by donr on Feb 29, 2016 22:55:08 GMT -6
Herbie, I don't know if it's the Amphions, but while Louisiana Moon's instrumentation sounds a bit clearer and defined, the mix sounds less gelled and less "like a record" than your other recordings on Soundcloud. I get more warmth and mesh from the band and vocal closeness and sense of 'finished' from previous efforts.
I've never heard Amphions, so I don't know if you got that 'finished' sound out of them. If so, I think they sound too good.
BTW, I heard "This Ain't That Song" for the first time. I love it!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 1, 2016 7:14:31 GMT -6
Hey Herbie,
you know, I have been listening carefully to your recordings for what 3-4 years now ?
first thought, when I listen to this recording is that the soundstage sounds improved, bigger, deeper and clearer or another way of saying that is that everything in the mix sound more defined , clearer and more in its place: including the ambiance.
Given the typical high quality of your recordings, that is saying a lot. I'd say the amphions are working for you in the sense of just letting you hear better into your mix and to mix accordingly.
Hope this reads as a compliment, as that is how it is meant. Thx Matt. You're using Amphions too aren't you? Which amp are you using? yup one 18s and a Jim Williams modded adcam 545, I just bought thick treated copper cable and gold plugs
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 1, 2016 7:23:51 GMT -6
Herbie, I don't know if it's the Amphions, but while Louisiana Moon's instrumentation sounds a bit clearer and defined, the mix sounds less gelled and less "like a record" than your other recordings on Soundcloud. I get more warmth and mesh from the band and vocal closeness and sense of 'finished' from previous efforts. I've never heard Amphions, so I don't know if you got that 'finished' sound out of them. If so, I think they sound too good. BTW, I heard "This Ain't That Song" for the first time. I love it! Thx Don. This Ain't That Song is my favorite that I've written. Comes from the heart so to speak lol. About the speakers, you're exactly right. They are clean and clinical and it's disconcerting to me honestly. It's almost like when I mix on them, I'm afraid to trash stuff up because everything sounds so accurate. It's really weird and something I'm going to have to get use to. Thx for listening and offering advise!
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Post by matt on Mar 1, 2016 8:31:18 GMT -6
It's interesting to think about monitors being too good. I'm in the market for an upgrade to my Dynaudios this year, but (for once) I go into sticker shock whenever I do pricing. It will be tough to part with many $K for speakers (powered or not). I guess I don't see where the cost is in building them.
This said, I would love to try Amphion and support a Finnish company since my family roots go back there. But man, $3K for a pair of One18s - a passive 6.5in/1in dome two-way? Seems a bit exorbitant. Not being critical of everyone who has made the investment, just stuck in a recursive cycle of justification.
Sorry, I can't believe that I'm arguing for NOT spending money on gear. I'll go adjust my attitude and come back later.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 1, 2016 9:05:44 GMT -6
Cowboy, you know I know your mixes well. I hear the improvements in separation and soundstage, but don't love the overall effect. The biggest improvement is the kick drum isn't quite so overpowering, which is good, but I feel a certain thinness, in the guitar somewhat, especially in the vocal. they might be making you cut too much or something. I feel like you need something in-between what you had, and what the Amphions are leading you to do.
I know I might get called out on this, as some of the guys here have Amphions, and I enjoy and respect their work, and value their opinions highly, but...
When I heard them at AES, I was first in, so there wasn't a crowd yet. I listened carefully to all the different sizes. What I couldn't get out of my head was they reminded me of NS-10's. I'm not saying I'm right, it just happened. I cringe when I even see NS-10's after using them for 10 years every day. There is absolutely no reason one can't enjoy listening to monitors, it doesn't have to be a "this thing sucks, but translates well" thing. After reading Malcolm Gladwell's "Blink", I've learned to pay special attention to my first impressions, they're usually spot on, then we talk ourselves out of it.
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Post by henge on Mar 1, 2016 10:15:10 GMT -6
Sounds good but the drums are not working for the production imo. The kick is too busy and personally I'd prefer a higher pitched snare, maybe a bit looser on the damping. Also there's a looseness in some parts that sticks out because other sections are nice and tight.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 1, 2016 10:33:13 GMT -6
I'm starting to worry that you're right, Matt. These things might be too good. Mixing is HARD on these speakers because it seems there are hundreds more decisions to make. I miss the ease of my JBLs.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2016 10:48:15 GMT -6
maybe listen to a bunch of your fav music through them for a period to acclimate yourself too them.
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Post by matt on Mar 1, 2016 10:53:28 GMT -6
I'm starting to worry that you're right, Matt. These things might be too good. Mixing is HARD on these speakers because it seems there are hundreds more decisions to make. I miss the ease of my JBLs. I'm struggling with a definition of too good, and what it means for monitoring a mix. If the goal is flat and wide frequency response (with low distortion), how can you have too much of either? Also, how can you have too much accuracy in transient response? Shouldn't a fast/accurate/flat/wide monitor be the best option, in any situation, even in a poor room (which is not your case Herbie)? Perhaps there comes a point, in some cases, where it all becomes less pleasant to hear. Less euphonic. And therefore harder to work with.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 1, 2016 11:11:09 GMT -6
So I'm trying out these speakers. I love listening on them. They sound great although very different than what I was use to. Could you guys please check this rough mix on your systems and tell me what you hear? Clarity, separation, bass, treble, whatever. Just looking for feedback to adjust to these things. Thanks. dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65640533/First%20Amphion%20Mix.wavTo loud and to much 3-4 khz on the kick, and the base is way to low in level. But that maybe is your room not the monitors??
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