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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 2, 2016 21:49:41 GMT -6
Looks like they are building another cool pre. From what I gather, this one is more in the vein of the old RCA's (OP-6) type. Should be cool. From what I also gather, Matt might need to hire some help to keep up with orders  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2016 22:44:05 GMT -6
Meet the Dizengoff Audio DA2. It’s a tribute to the venerable RCA BA2C tube preamp. RCA’s BA2C found wide use in film, broadcast, and recording during the 1950’s. I like to think of it as the “little brother” to the RCA OP6 because they use the same tube.
The DA2 has wonderful headroom, and it packs a nice low-mid wallop. The tone is smooth, warm, and sort of heavy–just what you’d expect from an American tube design of this era.
Signal transformers are wound right here in Chicago. The DA2 uses a hi-nickel input (80% nickel) and lo-nickel (45% nickel) for excellent fidelity. Transformer frequency response is flat from 10Hz to 50kHz.
The power supply is internal. Like the D4 and D864, it’s built around a Japanese Nippo Steel R-core power transformer. It has extremely high efficiency and low noise compared with traditional E-I core transformers and plays a significant part in achieving the DA2’s low noise performance.
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Post by wiz on Feb 2, 2016 22:53:56 GMT -6
If it has more headroom than the D4 I am keen.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by M57 on Feb 3, 2016 16:59:42 GMT -6
The site says it's immediately available, but I can find a way to put it in my cart to actually buy it.
What applications/mics would folks pair a D2 with?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 3, 2016 17:49:08 GMT -6
It's going to be a darker pre. Kinna rolled off. Be good for some smokey vocals, guitar cabs etc.
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Post by ericn on Feb 3, 2016 18:58:56 GMT -6
It's going to be a darker pre. Kinna rolled off. Be good for some smokey vocals, guitar cabs etc. If you have ever been in the room when our Cowboy is singing this description from him makes you spine twingle because with his old school country voice and a dark old school tube pre and a ribbon , You think magic! |
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Post by john on Feb 3, 2016 19:05:26 GMT -6
Whew, thought I was the only one who couldn't add it to the cart. I use the d4 ALOT. I'm psyched to add this to the fold.
Hello all! First time posting, long time reader.
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Post by odyssey76 on Feb 4, 2016 4:41:38 GMT -6
Whew, thought I was the only one who couldn't add it to the cart. I use the d4 ALOT. I'm psyched to add this to the fold. Hello all! First time posting, long time reader. Welcome john! |
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Post by Ward on Feb 4, 2016 14:29:41 GMT -6
It's going to be a darker pre. Kinna rolled off. Be good for some smokey vocals, guitar cabs etc. So, sort of like a Neve 33420/1272?? But tube based? |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 4, 2016 16:21:29 GMT -6
It's going to be a darker pre. Kinna rolled off. Be good for some smokey vocals, guitar cabs etc. If you have ever been in the room when our Cowboy is singing this description from him makes you spine twingle because with his old school country voice and a dark old school tube pre and a ribbon , You think magic! Oh my, flattery will get you....everywhere!! |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 4, 2016 16:22:56 GMT -6
It's going to be a darker pre. Kinna rolled off. Be good for some smokey vocals, guitar cabs etc. So, sort of like a Neve 33420/1272?? But tube based? Never used those, Ward. But I have used the 1081's. And I imagine a similar sound to those. We shall see. But yes, tube based. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 4, 2016 16:36:17 GMT -6
Whew, thought I was the only one who couldn't add it to the cart. I use the d4 ALOT. I'm psyched to add this to the fold. Hello all! First time posting, long time reader. Welcome, john! |
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Post by john on Feb 4, 2016 23:02:38 GMT -6
Whew, thought I was the only one who couldn't add it to the cart. I use the d4 ALOT. I'm psyched to add this to the fold. Hello all! First time posting, long time reader. Welcome, john ! Thanks, john! According to Matt it will be a few more weeks before the pre is actually ready to roll out. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 6, 2016 8:16:04 GMT -6
So, sort of like a Neve 33420/1272?? But tube based? Never used those, Ward. But I have used the 1081's. And I imagine a similar sound to those. We shall see. But yes, tube based. The broadcast console 33400 series mic pre front-ending a 1272 line amp combo is an interesting and not impossible to find studio preamp. It is a beautiful thing actually. But it is totally different to a 1081, which is a 1073 preamp with a different EQ. The 33K/1272 is dark and sweet. It is the most beautiful sounding pre on 'pingy' sources such as ride cymbals, some hats, chimes. It's also quite something dealing with shrill or sibilant sources also. So, if there's a tube version of that on the way? Giggity! |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 7, 2016 3:01:25 GMT -6
Never used those, Ward. But I have used the 1081's. And I imagine a similar sound to those. We shall see. But yes, tube based. The broadcast console 33400 series mic pre front-ending a 1272 line amp combo is an interesting and not impossible to find studio preamp. It is a beautiful thing actually. But it is totally different to a 1081, which is a 1073 preamp with a different EQ. The 33K/1272 is dark and sweet. It is the most beautiful sounding pre on 'pingy' sources such as ride cymbals, some hats, chimes. It's also quite something dealing with shrill or sibilant sources also. So, if there's a tube version of that on the way? Giggity! I thought the 1073 was class A and 1081 was class A/B. I know they don't sound the same. |
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Post by rocinante on Feb 7, 2016 10:55:22 GMT -6
Im pretty certain its the same amp cards that make up the 1290 in the 1073 and 1081 but different eq. I believe the 1272 was the talkback mic amp but when Sir Rupert Neve was told people were using them as outboard mic pres he said 'why not its all the same stuff in there'
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Post by Ward on Feb 7, 2016 11:06:58 GMT -6
Im pretty certain its the same amp cards that make up the 1290 in the 1073 and 1081 but different eq. I believe the 1272 was the talkback mic amp but when Sir Rupert Neve was told people were using them as outboard mic pres he said 'why not its all the same stuff in there' High-5 to you for bringing up the 1290. I forgot to bring that into the equation. And to the earlier question about a 1073 being Class-A and a 1081 being Class-A/B. "Same stuff in there" -Rupert Neve. Same preamp. Just the EQ and output sections are different. Now, you may be referring to the output section which is AB therefore different. Good discussion!! |
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Post by rocinante on Feb 7, 2016 11:21:04 GMT -6
Cheers, yeah both class A. I like talking Neve too.
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Post by wiz on Jul 8, 2016 0:59:33 GMT -6
Anyone tried it?
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 8, 2016 1:11:59 GMT -6
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Post by malkit on Jul 8, 2016 11:27:14 GMT -6
If it has more headroom than the D4 I am keen. Cheers Wiz
Hi Wiz,
This is a totally different beast from the D4. Almost a yang to the D4's yin. It has great headroom...I'm able to ping the meters without much distortion or break-up.
I've had mine for a bit, now, but haven't yet shot it out against my Danfield (ultra-clean and fast).
It definitely feels a little weightier and heavier in the mids. I didn't totally dig it on a female vox, but that could've been a number of other factors at play. I did like it on bass and on male (baritone) vocals, though. Agreed with the heaviness. That, coupled with the 864, really nailed the bass for some demo tracks. Should have more time to play with it in the studio over the next two weeks.
Best, M
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Post by EmRR on Jul 8, 2016 11:51:01 GMT -6
No, nothing like a Neve anything. BA-2 is the best RCA preamp IMO, also nothing like an OP-6. Pure triode, no negative feedback, gain control. Open slow fat and forgiving in the originals. You can drive drums or distorted guitars into squarewaves and maybe not hear it as distortion. More like the guitar amp analogy people who've never used a tube mic pre have in their head. Different transformers from RCA, who knows, very distinctive.
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Post by winetree on Jul 8, 2016 14:25:01 GMT -6
Any inside pictures of the D2.
Would like to see what's under the hood.
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Post by wiz on Jul 8, 2016 16:56:00 GMT -6
If it has more headroom than the D4 I am keen. Cheers Wiz
Hi Wiz,
This is a totally different beast from the D4. Almost a yang to the D4's yin. It has great headroom...I'm able to ping the meters without much distortion or break-up.
I've had mine for a bit, now, but haven't yet shot it out against my Danfield (ultra-clean and fast).
It definitely feels a little weightier and heavier in the mids. I didn't totally dig it on a female vox, but that could've been a number of other factors at play. I did like it on bass and on male (baritone) vocals, though. Agreed with the heaviness. That, coupled with the 864, really nailed the bass for some demo tracks. Should have more time to play with it in the studio over the next two weeks.
Best, M
thanks for the info... I am waiting for the dealer here in Oz to get one, I will get it up to demo... cheers Wiz |
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