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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 29, 2016 12:15:46 GMT -6
I sat in on a mixing/editing session last night at a studio in Williamsburg, ny. obviously they were using protools. at the end of the night, they still had to edit the horns and vocals and needed to book another session. The studio was pretty booked up for the next couple weeks and they charge a pretty hefty hourly fee, and it got me thinking. after watching the engineer do what he was doing, aside from being extremely fast with the key commands, I know that I could do what he was doing if I had ProTools. Now, Avid dropped their monthly subscription price to $24.92/mo or buy it for $599. So, i'm kinda thinking that I could pick up some extra work doing editing (definitely not mixing yet) for ProTools Sessions. Now, Sweetwater has PT available on their 24month thing, which makes buying it cost $24.96/mo for 24 months. You guys know that I'm a logic guy, but I learn Faaaaaaaast. Ask Tony.
Now, Sweetwater has PT available on their 24month thing, which makes buying it cost $24.96/mo for 24 months. You guys know that I'm a logic guy, but I learn Faaaaaaaast and I really only saw the engineer use 4 key commands during the process for editing: resize region, crossfade regions, fade in region, fade out region. That, and the take folders/playlists thing were all that he used over the course of editing the drums/percussion.
If you were in my shoes, what would you do?
(apologies for the gearslutz style post lol)
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Post by svart on Jan 29, 2016 12:37:06 GMT -6
Just export the tracks as consolidated wav files and you can import them to whatever DAW you like.. Ultimate portability.
There is even a program that can translate ProFools project files to other DAW files out there too.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 29, 2016 12:40:12 GMT -6
I don't do logic only pt but if transferring files isn't to big s pita could you just transfer back and fourth? Keep logic no pt
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 29, 2016 12:43:33 GMT -6
guys, i'm talking about the raw unedited sessions that have all the different takes unchosen. like, the band just finished tracking their 8th pass thru the song and now it's time to weed thru all of those takes and see what's usable and they don't want to pay the big studio $75/hr to do that.
so, that's the angle i'm viewing this from. I'd be that more economical solution to get the project edited, and then they can bring the unmixed-but-fully-edited project to the big studio they tracked everything at to get mixed.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 29, 2016 13:01:17 GMT -6
Maybe this alto music has an avid mbox solo with pro tools 12 and year support for 349.00 The pro tools is the vanilla version so limited to 32 tracks but it is 12 not express version
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Post by svart on Jan 29, 2016 13:01:20 GMT -6
I would just consolidate each take. It takes me a few seconds to highlight the selection, and consolidate. I then advance the takes with a keystroke, consolidate, and so on. Would take about 5 minutes to do..
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Post by ericn on Jan 29, 2016 13:03:53 GMT -6
Maybe this alto music has an avid mbox solo with pro tools 12 and year support for 349.00 The pro tools is the vanilla version so limited to 32 tracks but it is 12 not express version At this point I prefer mixbus but for situations like yours I did the Alto deal
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 29, 2016 13:07:51 GMT -6
Maybe this alto music has an avid mbox solo with pro tools 12 and year support for 349.00 The pro tools is the vanilla version so limited to 32 tracks but it is 12 not express version www.altomusic.com/avid-fast-track-solo-with-full-protools-12-software you mean this? I don't think i've seen a pro-tools session that involved overdubs that had less than 32 tracks in the types of music i get called to work on, so that's a no-go. Svart, I don't see how consolidation fits in this situation. The engineers for that big session are not going to want to consolidate all of the takes, just so another editor can load them into a different daw to weed thru them, and then later import them back into a protools session. This is literally a "pick up where the other editor left off" situation.
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Post by rob61 on Jan 29, 2016 13:27:44 GMT -6
Have em consolidate the tracks and send you time aligned wave (or aiff if you prefer) files. Then you simply import into Logic.
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Post by rob61 on Jan 29, 2016 13:29:19 GMT -6
"Consolidate" is the term used by Pro Tools to make one continuous file for each track. If there are 50 tracks, you still get 50 tracks, just not 460 files for each punch in/ punch out.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 29, 2016 13:46:26 GMT -6
Just rent it for a month!
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Post by rocinante on Jan 29, 2016 14:16:49 GMT -6
They make translators albeit they're not perfect. I've had a bunch of clients that had stuff they did on various daws that I had to move to pt 10hd to edit. And vise versa. AA translator is one of the better. Honestly pt 10 can be had for affordable prices and its useful if you have the work. That said I do 1/2 my work now in studio one because its getting more and more popular and I personally (and so this is my opinion and my taste) find it to have the best parts of pt but more intuitive. I used to strictly use pt 10hd now its finally 50/50. Also you could always just export the stems and take notes. On like paper or text doc. Old school
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 29, 2016 14:48:59 GMT -6
If you can get real payed work by saying yes I have PT get it (rent) if the work does not cover the rent stop PT is not that hard to learn get the keyboard with the commands that is a game changer.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 29, 2016 15:08:46 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jan 29, 2016 15:09:03 GMT -6
yeah, rent it for a few months, see if you get work... learn it etc...
then Buy...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 29, 2016 15:12:28 GMT -6
Actually I think you can still download a free demo of 11 that will run for a month.
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Post by svart on Jan 29, 2016 15:28:47 GMT -6
Maybe this alto music has an avid mbox solo with pro tools 12 and year support for 349.00 The pro tools is the vanilla version so limited to 32 tracks but it is 12 not express version www.altomusic.com/avid-fast-track-solo-with-full-protools-12-software you mean this? I don't think i've seen a pro-tools session that involved overdubs that had less than 32 tracks in the types of music i get called to work on, so that's a no-go. Svart, I don't see how consolidation fits in this situation. The engineers for that big session are not going to want to consolidate all of the takes, just so another editor can load them into a different daw to weed thru them, and then later import them back into a protools session. This is literally a "pick up where the other editor left off" situation. I don't see it like that at all. Folks consolidate files all the time for use at other studios. You pay for it, they do it. If they give you grief, then they have a personal problem. Even in Reaper, I have an "explode takes to tracks" option which moves each take to a track, and then you can consolidate. Takes about 60 seconds to do. If they are unwilling to do this, then they are just trying to force you to come back and pay the ransom money to keep working.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 29, 2016 16:18:33 GMT -6
That seems like a ton of extra work for several parties (the original engineer, and the other guy doing the edit in the other daw) compared to just working with the original session, which has all the routing already set up by the original guy.
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Post by stratboy on Jan 29, 2016 16:23:04 GMT -6
I agree with bob, formatcytes and wiz. Prototype and test your idea for as little as possible. If it shows promise, push it a little further.
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Post by wiz on Jan 29, 2016 16:36:01 GMT -6
That seems like a ton of extra work for several parties (the original engineer, and the other guy doing the edit in the other daw) compared to just working with the original session, which has all the routing already set up by the original guy. An important point... they won't wanna do it.. I wouldnt... They will want to hand it to you, and you hand it back to them, them open it.. ready to go.. You also keep their rough mix, effects settings etc Working from one DAW to another, has always been a pain in the ass... sure its possible... but it aint as easy or fast as using the same DAW. cheers Wiz
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Post by drbill on Jan 29, 2016 16:37:30 GMT -6
The answer is of course.....
Yes!
Enjoy!!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 29, 2016 16:37:56 GMT -6
I'd just rent it and try it, you'll love the editing features as they are IMO the best by far of any daw i've played with, and you'll be better at it than i am in 2 days! I'd be curious as to how it compares to logic IYO? The main motivating factor for me would be the fact that 0 fast moving pro situations will tolerate the nonsense of dealing with platforms outside of PT, in fact it's a general assumption that you're on PT if you make a pro work connection, and yes Pro Tools is still the de facto professional standard by a huge margin, the second motivating factor is even if your employer is willing to go through the whole convoluted slog of consolidating and exporting regions for your alternate platform(which they won't), they will lose session data, and be littered with potential glitches, as you know Chuck, especially with heavy track counts and multi region playlists, it's WAY more trouble than it's worth, people even run into issues when transferring 100% complete sessions on identical platforms..., regardless of PT hater claims to the contrary, it happens all the time, on ALL platforms.
and btw, Yes, nofillterchuck learns REALLY fast, he could probably make some good cash doing that work, I think he's part computer himself, he has a 6th sense intuition in any software application it seems to me, I don't even get through processing the proper move in my head before he's done with it.... jerk! haha,
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Post by drbill on Jan 29, 2016 16:39:32 GMT -6
Working from one DAW to another, has always been a pain in the ass... sure its possible... but it aint as easy or fast as using the same DAW. cheers Wiz Agree with this 100%. Switching back and forth between DAWs is a drag. And the #1 reason people think PT "doesn't do" something. Cause it usually does, but it's hard to learn stuff switching back and forth between 3-4 DAWs all the time.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 29, 2016 18:22:44 GMT -6
At this point the conversion utilities cost more than Pro Tools does! The rental includes unlimited online technical support and 1 Technical support phone call per month. If you run into a bug, my understanding is that call doesn't count.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 29, 2016 18:30:51 GMT -6
I have PT, Cubase and Logic and it has been really useful...
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