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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 13:31:56 GMT -6
Hi Guys, My 17" Zildjian A custom crash has just developed a crack  I'm not too bothered though as I bought it second hand on a whim but never really loved it. I am looking for a replacement that would compliment my other crash which is a 17" Paiste 2000 thin crash. I play in two bands, one very loud and fast and another slow and soulful!! I don't have an awful lot of experience with different cymbals and would love some recommendations. all the best pace |
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Post by svart on Oct 17, 2013 13:53:03 GMT -6
I have A custom crashes and hats, Sabian AAX/AA/HH crashes and an 18" wuhan crash.
I like the AAX/AA/HH the best. The A customs tend to break easily. I've had a few of them over the years. I've also had a few paiste but they never really did anything for me and now they are insanely expensive.
I'd give a few AAX a try out, or try the Wuhan crashes. They are a little trashier but pretty nice for how cheap they are.
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Post by scumbum on Oct 17, 2013 17:44:56 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 17, 2013 19:06:53 GMT -6
Pace, I use 17,19 2002 thin crashes, and 18,20, giant beat crashes, 24" giant beat ride, and 15" giant beat HH, i have a little deal with Paiste, i was able to go to the brea usa headquarters, and pick them out, the thins and giant beats work very well together. For your set up, i think a 19" thin would go great with the 17", I like a related voicing going up and down in sizes, the thins are awesome for recording also, they decay quick and get out of the way, generally, big and thin cymbals record well IME.
good luck
T
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Post by Ward on Oct 17, 2013 21:24:02 GMT -6
Favorite amongst drummers visiting my studio: Zildjian K Dark 17" Hybrid crash. Marvelous cymbal!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 4:43:49 GMT -6
thank you so much for all your help. Going to go out and hit some!
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Post by svart on Oct 18, 2013 6:59:03 GMT -6
Yeah, all the cymbals mentioned by everyone will do you just fine. It's all about what sound you want at this point.
I like K customs but man are they dark sounding when recorded. I prefer the A's due to the brightness and how they cut through a lot of tracks without a ton of EQ.
The 2002 cymbals, to me, always had a clanky sound, but maybe that's changed over the years. It has been a while.
I had a 17" A custom thin/fast crash and it sounded so similar to my AAX 15" crash that I sold the A custom. It was strange that it was larger yet had a pitch almost the same as a cymbal 2" smaller. So keep that in mind when choosing new cymbals to go with old ones. Maybe you could do a simple recording of hitting your current cymbals and put it on your phone so listen to in the store so you pick out something complimentary?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2013 8:09:30 GMT -6
I must have 10 crashes at my house and like them all for different things, but I can't recommend any of them for you. Cymbals are such a personal thing. For the most part, all of the expensive cymbals can sound good in the right scenario. If you're looking to save a buck, find a dealer that has Dream cymbals in stock. I've got a big 20" Dream (crash, ride, crash/ride, who knows...) that was exactly what I was looking for that I got for cheap cash. Huge trashy crash sound, but also killer light jazzy ride tone. Not right for everything, but works where it works.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 15:27:16 GMT -6
Thanks for the tip on Dream cymbals, I will look out for them.
I have been listening to samples from the memphis drum shop on youtube - fantastic resource! I am really interested in the Sabian AAX line.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 18, 2013 20:13:50 GMT -6
A must have for me is a 17" Z Custom dark. Washes forever.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2013 20:55:51 GMT -6
A must have for me is a 17" Z Custom dark. Washes forever. FWIW, Z Customs are way too heavy for me. I love my 17" K Dark Thin Crash. |
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Oct 18, 2013 23:30:39 GMT -6
I am going to get flamed for this but.... no two cymbals sound the same....period. Go hit a bunch and find what you want. I learned this in the early 80s when my parents bought me my first set of Zildgian New Beat hihats....they didnt sound like the ones I had been playing at school (still play them among others to this day btw). Every single cymbal sounds different.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 19, 2013 0:56:22 GMT -6
I am going to get flamed for this but.... no two cymbals sound the same....period. Go hit a bunch and find what you want. I learned this in the early 80s when my parents bought me my first set of Zildgian New Beat hihats....they didnt sound like the ones I had been playing at school (still play them among others to this day btw). Every single cymbal sounds different. No one is flamming you for that John, it's 100% true! I would never order a cymbal. That being said, different metallurgy and thicknesses can tell you a lot about the ball park sound of the cymbal. I'm a fan of big and thin, i like the way those physical characteristics decay quickly and get out of the way of the mix, but indeed no 2 sound the same. great point, nobody mentioned it. |
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Oct 19, 2013 1:29:14 GMT -6
I am going to get flamed for this but.... no two cymbals sound the same....period. Go hit a bunch and find what you want. I learned this in the early 80s when my parents bought me my first set of Zildgian New Beat hihats....they didnt sound like the ones I had been playing at school (still play them among others to this day btw). Every single cymbal sounds different. No one is flamming you for that John, it's 100% true! I would never order a cymbal. That being said, different metallurgy and thicknesses can tell you a lot about the ball park sound of the cymbal. I'm a fan of big and thin, i like the way those physical characteristics decay quickly and get out of the way of the mix, but indeed no 2 sound the same. great point, nobody mentioned it. I agree wholeheartedly and tend to lean towards big and thin as well. Sometimes I prefer small and fat though;) |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 19, 2013 5:34:39 GMT -6
I am going to get flamed for this but.... no two cymbals sound the same....period. Go hit a bunch and find what you want. I learned this in the early 80s when my parents bought me my first set of Zildgian New Beat hihats....they didnt sound like the ones I had been playing at school (still play them among others to this day btw). Every single cymbal sounds different. 100% just gotta try them. When I picked out my hats, I tried every combination of hats in 4 or 5 stores, before I found what I was looking for. Just gotta play them. |
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