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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 12, 2015 13:36:08 GMT -6
I'm planning on treating my ceiling with 703 and i'm wondering if anyone knows of an acoustically transparent fabric for covering that I can look into, and also won't break the bank? I'm definitely looking for something very white and un attracting in color, i don't want a dark color pushing down and caving out my room.
I know of muslin and burlap, any other suggestions or links to check stuff out is appreciated...
thanx
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Post by M57 on Dec 12, 2015 14:04:05 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Dec 12, 2015 15:39:34 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2015 15:59:59 GMT -6
Make sure you buy the fire rated version!
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Post by M57 on Dec 12, 2015 16:35:51 GMT -6
Guilford of Maine is terribly expensive - though I will admit that I used it in my Gobos because they have some really nice choices - but it is not the only player out there.
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Post by svart on Dec 12, 2015 16:40:45 GMT -6
I got a lot of mine from fabric stores. I forget what they call it, but it's a much nicer form of burlap. A little more expensive than straight burlap, but cheaper than almost every other option. I've also bought from: www.atsacoustics.com/cat--DIY-Acoustic-Materials--102.htmlCheck out their clearance section, sometimes they have acoustical burlap for cheap there.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 12, 2015 16:44:55 GMT -6
Might check the local upholstery wholesale house I found some really nice fabric in the close out bin
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Post by keymod on Dec 12, 2015 17:36:01 GMT -6
Partsexpress.com sells grille cloth in lots of colors, bulk sizes.
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2015 18:44:05 GMT -6
If you like having your home insurance you won't put up anything that is not fire rated! If you do your in violation of code and your insurance policy is null and void.
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Post by drbill on Dec 12, 2015 19:26:25 GMT -6
Guilford of Maine is terribly expensive - though I will admit that I used it in my Gobos because they have some really nice choices - but it is not the only player out there. Less expensive than on the site you posted. And IMO, not really that much more for the smallish amounts of material needed in this kind of application. In my current CRM buildout, going with the cheapest fabric on your site, I'd save maybe a couple hundred. Probably less. If you really want to save money, the garment district in downtown LA is the place to go.
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Post by yotonic on Dec 12, 2015 21:46:41 GMT -6
You can buy direct from Guilford. It's fantastic stuff and comes in all sorts of colors and patterns. Just call them and they will walk you through their cheapest patterns. I just bought 80 yards of the stuff to use in a venue and I was so impressed with the quality and look of it. I got some stuff that was really nice and didn't look at all like burlap etc. It was this pattern "Broadcast" really nice and affordable. It has a nice sheen and the pattern is super subtle in real life. Looks really professional. I had a general color tone I was looking for and they walked through all the available patterns in that color scheme for me starting with the cheapest sku. www.guilfordofmaine.com/swatches/2758-2686
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Post by stratboy on Dec 12, 2015 21:48:15 GMT -6
If you like having your home insurance you won't put up anything that is not fire rated! If you do your in violation of code and your insurance policy is null and void. Ericn, do you feel like Cassandra? I used to work for Alpha Audio, the original distributor of Sonex. We sold a ton of Guilford. The fire rating is absolutely critical. Tony, if the fabric is not treated with fire retardant, please don't hang it in your studio. There are less expensive solutions than Guilford, but fire rated is a must.
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2015 22:06:24 GMT -6
If you like having your home insurance you won't put up anything that is not fire rated! If you do your in violation of code and your insurance policy is null and void. Ericn, do you feel like Cassandra? I used to work for Alpha Audio, the original distributor of Sonex. We sold a ton of Guilford. The fire rating is absolutely critical. Tony, if the fabric is not treated with fire retardant, please don't hang it in your studio. There are less expensive solutions than Guilford, but fire rated is a must. I remember explaining to many a customer that there were better foams than Sonex, but at the time Everybody used Sonex for the fire rating !
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Post by stratboy on Dec 12, 2015 22:11:35 GMT -6
Great White. 'nuff said.
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2015 22:12:40 GMT -6
If you like having your home insurance you won't put up anything that is not fire rated! If you do your in violation of code and your insurance policy is null and void. Ericn, do you feel like Cassandra? I used to work for Alpha Audio, the original distributor of Sonex. We sold a ton of Guilford. The fire rating is absolutely critical. Tony, if the fabric is not treated with fire retardant, please don't hang it in your studio. There are less expensive solutions than Guilford, but fire rated is a must. Also a client who had built out his basement years before he dealt with me told me a story about how he had an insurance claim involving damage from a burst pipe, the inspector walks in sees this fabric on the ceiling asks to see the fire rating of the fabric , guy says he bought it at the fabric store, and what it has to do with his water claim, inspector says everything there is no claim because he voided his policy ! Now is that worth the $$ saved?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 12, 2015 23:32:03 GMT -6
Us New England guys are well aware.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 13, 2015 0:25:48 GMT -6
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Post by winetree on Dec 13, 2015 1:12:29 GMT -6
Ericn, do you feel like Cassandra? I used to work for Alpha Audio, the original distributor of Sonex. We sold a ton of Guilford. The fire rating is absolutely critical. Tony, if the fabric is not treated with fire retardant, please don't hang it in your studio. There are less expensive solutions than Guilford, but fire rated is a must. Also a client who had built out his basement years before he dealt with me told me a story about how he had an insurance claim involving damage from a burst pipe, the inspector walks in sees this fabric on the ceiling asks to see the fire rating of the fabric , guy says he bought it at the fabric store, and what it has to do with his water claim, inspector says everything there is no claim because he voided his policy ! Now is that worth the $$ saved? In my studio rebuild, water pipes in the ceiling had to be moved. 8 months later, water was dripping from the ceiling. By that time, it had saturated large amounts of drywall and created black mold. After fixing the pipe, cutting out a "t" and moving the pipe over 2", it caused a major leak down the line causing a stream of water to run through the burlap ceiling and through the 24 and 2 track machines for 2 days before being discovered, causing the control room floor to flood. I called my insurance agent and he came out to inspect. He saw the burlap ceiling, and other fabrics on the walls and baffles. Nothing was asked about the fabric. I have homeowners insurance only, no special policy for the studio. Everything was covered. Tape machines were restored to factory specs, Mold removal (two week job) completed, and a check to replace drywall and flooring, paint, etc. However, what with waiting 6 month to receive the funds from insurance, and 6 months of depression, it's set me back about a year. I've never considered fire proof fabric, but you never know what could happen.
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Post by Randge on Dec 13, 2015 4:50:47 GMT -6
I order direct from Guilford of Maine as well. I just outfitted a small closet with 6" of 703 to have another scratch vocal and amp booth for larger sessions here. It's proper fabric for acoustic treatments and I know what I am getting is a safe, quality product. I chose Candid 3007-050, which is a silver. I also ordered enough to complete the beautification of my gobos that were built a while back. Gobos are done and with Jerome Mason's help, the closet is close as well.
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Post by jsteiger on Dec 13, 2015 12:48:56 GMT -6
I chose Candid 3007-050, which is a silver. Wait, what? Not purple?
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Post by Randge on Dec 13, 2015 16:54:32 GMT -6
I chose Candid 3007-050, which is a silver. Wait, what? Not purple? Accent color. Purple is too dark inside a small closet, too!
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Post by mdmitch2 on Dec 13, 2015 22:18:52 GMT -6
I've built about 25 panels using various methods and fabrics... I've found that fabrics with a little bit of elasticity are much easier to attach without wrinkles (such as the speaker fabric mentioned above). I ended up buying most of mine at a fabric store, but if you go that route, I would bring a piece of 703 with you to make sure the fabric is dense enough to hide the color of the 703 underneath, especially if you're using a light colored fabric. I ended up having to double up some of the white fabric I bought. Also, if you're hanging 4x2 ft panels, I would recommend using drywall corner bead to make a frame around the front of the 703.... this will keep the edges nice and sharp. You can jut rivet the frame together and the fabric will hold it in place. Otherwise the 703 won't hold it's shape at the corners: Its' the difference between this: and this:
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Post by M57 on Dec 14, 2015 5:21:14 GMT -6
If you're buying non-acoustically 'rated' fabric, it goes without saying you want to make sure that it's acoustically agnostic and capable of passing low and mid range frequencies. I've read that you should be able to cover your mouth with it and breath through it without much in the way of resistance.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 14, 2015 19:00:00 GMT -6
Mine are pretty ghetto burlap deals. I wish I had known about the knowledge in this thread when I was building them.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 15, 2015 0:34:49 GMT -6
i bought 11oz burlap from burlapfabric.com when I built my panels.
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