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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 13:48:07 GMT -6
they used to....
Two rehearsals in and my Ambassador coated snare head is bald in the center. Hmmmn....
suspicious
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 23, 2013 21:30:49 GMT -6
hey pace, remo heads have been hit and miss for me over the years, more than once, i've thrown a head on and never got it to sit and tune, and some coatings have vanished quicker than others. That being said, i still only use remo heads, i lovem when they're right.
something i do, get a piece of 320 grit sand paper, and rubout the tips of your sticks, sometimes the grain transitions can be a little coarse and eat through your heads, i also will throw a 220 grit wipe on my stick shoulders to sand off hi hat chaff, it slows down the shedding, and makes the stick last a little longer...if only in my mind lol.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Sept 24, 2013 1:13:00 GMT -6
I've also noticed this. Unfortunately I haven't found any other heads that - to me - sound as good. But I am looking...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 4:19:51 GMT -6
hey pace, remo heads have been hit and miss for me over the years, more than once, i've thrown a head on and never got it to sit and tune, and some coatings have vanished quicker than others. That being said, i still only use remo heads, i lovem when they're right. something i do, get a piece of 320 grit sand paper, and rubout the tips of your sticks, sometimes the grain transitions can be a little coarse and eat through your heads, i also will throw a 220 grit wipe on my stick shoulders to sand off hi hat chaff, it slows down the shedding, and makes the stick last a little longer...if only in my mind lol. Nice advice! I will give it a go. I just wonder whether some accountant has been nagging at production to just notch the longevity down a tiny bit for MORE PROFIT!!!!! perhaps I am paranoid or hitting the darn things too hard. |
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Post by svart on Sept 24, 2013 6:50:49 GMT -6
I've not noticed a difference. I mainly use Remo for snare and aquarian/remo for toms, evans for kicks. I don't think I've ever really had a head on a drum long enough to wear through the coating.. I tend to change the snare for sessions and they don't really get worn down before I end up changing them.
I did read an article once about sneaky things that companies do to make more money. One of the more notable ones was a shampoo company was losing a little money during the recession, so they dropped the price "to help the consumer in the time of need" but they opened up the hole that the shampoo comes out of a lot larger so that each squeeze of the bottle, you got a lot more shampoo than you needed.. So folks ended up using up the shampoo quicker.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 24, 2013 8:39:21 GMT -6
hey pace, remo heads have been hit and miss for me over the years, more than once, i've thrown a head on and never got it to sit and tune, and some coatings have vanished quicker than others. That being said, i still only use remo heads, i lovem when they're right. something i do, get a piece of 320 grit sand paper, and rubout the tips of your sticks, sometimes the grain transitions can be a little coarse and eat through your heads, i also will throw a 220 grit wipe on my stick shoulders to sand off hi hat chaff, it slows down the shedding, and makes the stick last a little longer...if only in my mind lol. Nice advice! I will give it a go. I just wonder whether some accountant has been nagging at production to just notch the longevity down a tiny bit for MORE PROFIT!!!!! perhaps I am paranoid or hitting the darn things too hard. Don't know about any fraudulent stuff? would i be shocked?....lol! I've been using vintage emperors and ambassador X heads, they have heavier coatings like the ORIGINAL emps/ambassadors, i found out a while back that they thinned the coating waaaaay back before i even started playing, without notification to anyone?? The vintage E's/ amb X's allow me to tune tighter, without all the ringy overtones dominating(the day i use tape or moon gel a drum, is the day i die), the way all my favorite drummers from the 60's did(John Bonham). Unlike Svart, i leave my heads on for a loooong time, it's like breaking up with a girlfriend when they gotta go, i just hang on a little longer than i should lol! Much less time with snare drum batter of course. |
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Sept 25, 2013 13:33:21 GMT -6
Its funny to see this thread because I have found that coated ambies (I have never used that slang for Ambassadors but it just came out...lol) seem to not be lasting as long lately...especially on 8", 10" and 14". Its not that the coating is wearing off but that they start to sounds thin and can't be tuned properly. I have been playing much more often lately and its also possible that I am more critical of tuning than ever, however, I was actually thinking to myself last night that they are wearing out quicker than usual.
Could be inconsistencies in the batch runs or something I suppose. I wont switch to a different brand though. Tried them all and come back to coated ambies.
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Sept 25, 2013 13:49:27 GMT -6
The vintage E's/ amb X's allow me to tune tighter, without all the ringy overtones dominating( the day i use tape or moon gel a drum, is the day i die), the way all my favorite drummers from the 60's did(John Bonham). Unlike Svart, i leave my heads on for a loooong time, it's like breaking up with a girlfriend when they gotta go, i just hang on a little longer than i should lol! Much less time with snare drum batter of course. I use moon gel in very small pieces cut with a scissor but I have another trick that I picked up that I will share. My wife had these 8.5" x 11" sheets of black felt that was sticky on the back (you peal off wax paper and its sticky as hell). I used it to quiet sum buzzing stuff in my studio but came up with a great drum trick. If you cut a piece of felt about 1" wide and 4-5" long and fold it back on itself so about 2" is still sticky and the rest is felt, you can stick it to the rim of your drum and allow it to lay on your drum head. When you strike the head the felt lifts off and allows for a very natural attack but gravity brings the strip back down to the head to dampen the ring. You can use longer strips on larger heads and modify to taste. It works really well. Here is a photo where you can see what I mean...hopefully. Cheers. www.dropbox.com/s/ah0hdf33e6sfg1v/Felt%20Trick.jpgI also sand the tips of most of my wood stick as you previously posted;) |
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Post by svart on Sept 26, 2013 8:51:48 GMT -6
IamJohnGalt, I like that idea. I'm going to try it. Thanks!
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Sept 26, 2013 11:37:34 GMT -6
IamJohnGalt, I like that idea. I'm going to try it. Thanks! Cool...hope it works for you. You can pick up the sheets of felt with the adhesive backing at any craft store or JoAnnes fabric store. |
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Post by cenafria on Sept 27, 2013 5:13:06 GMT -6
Yeah, I've noticed Remo 14" coated Ambassadors "going bald" very quickly in the last few years.
I'm going to try the sanding trick. Thanks for that tonycamphd!
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