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Post by EmRR on May 9, 2019 20:52:11 GMT -6
Can you take a newer U87 and make it sound like a good vintage U87? You can certainly reverse many circuit conditions to the vintage condition, keeping the newer K67 capsule and general modern biasing method, but back down to the original lower bias. There are a couple of fudges to sort out if I recall. You should be able to get much closer than they are now. All mainly depends on having a good capsule in the first place. If you go with a DIY vintage 87 circuit with a K67 capsule, the biggest thing is having to add another bias circuit to achieve figure 8, if it matters to you, if not it's much easier. The k67 capsule is more sensitive than the old, so overload is still more of a problem with the k67, looks like about 6dB difference. The U89 board requires less parts stuffed on it to make a U87ai circuit, makes sense they use the same board.
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Post by indiehouse on May 9, 2019 21:11:12 GMT -6
As a fwiw, Just bought a refurbished (60's something) 87 from Tom Onofrio. New capsule up to factory spec. I just wasn't up for the role of the dice of buying one used with what I was seeing out there. Tom is a straight shooter and glad to have done so. The other option, as I see it, would be to buy a good deal used one (ai or otherwise) if you wanted to send it to Klaus for his thing. It's a pricey route but many love the sound of his. I personally went with the opportunity to get one from Tom as he had a refurbed one for sale. I'd be glad to hear one of Klaus's some day and they do retain their "Klaus mod" value. Yet, having a stock up to Tom spec one would arguably have it's own resale appeal. Resale becomes a thing when you're getting older like some of us and you consider the what ifs & family stuff etc. Resale value totally factors into my purchasing decisions. I need to be able to liquidate easily if I have to and not lose a ton of money in doing so.
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Post by ericn on May 9, 2019 21:43:05 GMT -6
As a fwiw, Just bought a refurbished (60's something) 87 from Tom Onofrio. New capsule up to factory spec. I just wasn't up for the role of the dice of buying one used with what I was seeing out there. Tom is a straight shooter and glad to have done so. The other option, as I see it, would be to buy a good deal used one (ai or otherwise) if you wanted to send it to Klaus for his thing. It's a pricey route but many love the sound of his. I personally went with the opportunity to get one from Tom as he had a refurbed one for sale. I'd be glad to hear one of Klaus's some day and they do retain their "Klaus mod" value. Yet, having a stock up to Tom spec one would arguably have it's own resale appeal. Resale becomes a thing when you're getting older like some of us and you consider the what ifs & family stuff etc. Resale value totally factors into my purchasing decisions. I need to be able to liquidate easily if I have to and not lose a ton of money in doing so. I do wish I could post some snarky rebuttal to this that it shouldn’t matter, but it dose.
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Post by guitfiddler on May 10, 2019 3:11:44 GMT -6
I’m still interested in the Innertube kit for the U87ai.
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Post by brenta on May 10, 2019 6:50:29 GMT -6
I’m still interested in the Innertube kit for the U87ai. I am too. I’ve only been able to find one sound clip of it online but it sounded good. I’ve seen a few people complaining that it’s noisy so that’s a little concerning.
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Post by Vincent R. on May 10, 2019 8:08:04 GMT -6
I spoke with Stayne briefly about reviewing it, but after doing research on the kit I felt it wouldn't really be what I was looking for or fit the aesthetic I know I prefer, so I didn't follow through.
Can anyone hear tell me a bit more about the Daughter Boards vs FETs in the U87AIs? Apparently my U87ai has a daughter board.
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Post by brenta on May 10, 2019 9:24:54 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on May 10, 2019 9:27:59 GMT -6
Thanks!
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Post by m03 on May 10, 2019 10:34:26 GMT -6
Unrelated, is forum membership there closed now? I've tried signing up a couple of times in the last year, and I never get a confirmation email from them to complete registration.
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Post by guitfiddler on May 10, 2019 13:15:40 GMT -6
Unrelated, is forum membership there closed now? I've tried signing up a couple of times in the last year, and I never get a confirmation email from them to complete registration. That’s strange, I was able to login, but I already had an account. Very interesting read...thanks
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Post by Ward on May 11, 2019 4:38:10 GMT -6
Unrelated, is forum membership there closed now? I've tried signing up a couple of times in the last year, and I never get a confirmation email from them to complete registration. Just clicked and read . . . never had an issue lurking at Klaus's forum.
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Post by m03 on May 11, 2019 8:38:04 GMT -6
Unrelated, is forum membership there closed now? I've tried signing up a couple of times in the last year, and I never get a confirmation email from them to complete registration. Just clicked and read . . . never had an issue lurking at Klaus's forum. Lurking is fine, I'm talking about joining for the purpose of active participation.
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Post by Ward on May 11, 2019 20:44:44 GMT -6
Just clicked and read . . . never had an issue lurking at Klaus's forum. Lurking is fine, I'm talking about joining for the purpose of active participation. Gotcha! I joined once upon a time as well but have forgotten the login and don't care to get involved in yet another forum. I'm down to this one, for the most part, now.
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Post by swurveman on May 15, 2019 7:49:57 GMT -6
What blows my mind is that buying one of the most iconic microphones has the buyer in a place of either (a) buying a new U87ai which may not have a balanced K870 capsule, or (b) buying an old U87 with what could have an old K87 capsule that sounds nothing like the original.
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Post by georgetoledo on May 15, 2019 8:13:38 GMT -6
The k87 and k67 are the same, aside from being wired different.
There is really no more consistent capsule maker than Neumann.
It’s interesting to live in a world where people don’t give a second thought to copy capsules using the same name as various Neumann caps, but then Neumann - who in reality is cranking out the most balanced sounding capsules of all - gets the flack.
Neumann is also really responsive to what customers want in recent years... reissuing u47fet and U67... even changing the coupling cap in the u87 back to polypropylene from the ceramic they were using during the “daughter board” run. Pretty much negating any reason to “mod”.
Side note - anyone who compares a decade or more old capsules to new production capsules and thinks that the tension value hasn’t shifted some, didn’t think things out well.
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Post by rowmat on May 15, 2019 17:07:07 GMT -6
Then there’s this vintage Neumann.
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Post by Bender on Jun 7, 2019 18:30:14 GMT -6
I recently acquired a 1972 u87🎉🎉- it came with an aftermarket shock mount but I can’t for the life of me figure how to get them to mate. It appears to be VERY similar to the one found here( good shot of the adapter/couplers in pic 3) www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Microphone-Shock-Mount-Stand-for-U87-U89i-TLM193-TLM103-TLM127-M149-M150-/132870481535?oid=300505656051However the issue I’m having is this set only has 3 different thread adapters not 4, and what appears to be the longest adapter only screws into the bottom of the 87 alone- not when the mic is on top of the shockmount. So basically it’s not catching because of the clearance of the felt and shockmount. I tried removing the top felt of the shockmount that the body goes on temporarily, but still no dice. Anyone have the skinny on what I need to get this going. Perhaps it’s the lingo (I’m calling them adapters/couplers)but it’s hard to find anything except full blown shock mounts , not other pieces that would probably sort this out.... I think the remedy is obviously a longer threaded bottom thing but going by the pictures mine appears to be the longest one already, so perhaps this mount isn’t compatible 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ Anyone care to chime in or at least point me in the direction of shockmount that would work? Paging Ward or yotonic and all the vintage mic wizards 🧙♂️🧙♂️🧙♂️lol
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Post by drbill on Jun 7, 2019 18:38:11 GMT -6
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 7, 2019 18:39:18 GMT -6
I recently acquired a 1972 u87🎉🎉- it came with an aftermarket shock mount but I can’t for the life of me figure how to get them to mate. It appears to be VERY similar to the one found here( good shot of the adapter/couplers in pic 3) www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Microphone-Shock-Mount-Stand-for-U87-U89i-TLM193-TLM103-TLM127-M149-M150-/132870481535?oid=300505656051However the issue I’m having is this set only has 3 different thread adapters not 4, and what appears to be the longest adapter only screws into the bottom of the 87 alone- not when the mic is on top of the shockmount. So basically it’s not catching because of the clearance of the felt and shockmount. I tried removing the top felt of the shockmount that the body goes on temporarily, but still no dice. Anyone have the skinny on what I need to get this going. Perhaps it’s the lingo (I’m calling them adapters/couplers)but it’s hard to find anything except full blown shock mounts , not other pieces that would probably sort this out.... I think the remedy is obviously a longer threaded bottom thing but going by the pictures mine appears to be the longest one already, so perhaps this mount isn’t compatible 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ Anyone care to chime in or at least point me in the direction of shockmount that would work? Paging Ward or yotonic and all the vintage mic wizards 🧙♂️🧙♂️🧙♂️lol I’d probably go with a Rycote InVision.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 7, 2019 22:41:39 GMT -6
We’ve got 3 vintage 87’s that use the screw in method on the bottom. Maybe they are a bit later than the one you have. They definitely all have the battery compartment and little battery check meter on the back. They work with either the 67 style strap mounts or with the bottom screw in mounts.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 7, 2019 22:44:18 GMT -6
Then there’s this vintage Neumann. Nice pic! Very inspiring!
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Post by Bender on Jun 7, 2019 23:35:31 GMT -6
We’ve got 3 vintage 87’s that use the screw in method on the bottom. Maybe they are a bit later than the one you have. They definitely all have the battery compartment and little battery check meter on the back. They work with either the 67 style strap mounts or with the bottom screw in mounts. Yeah I’ve worked with other vintage 87’s that screwed in so that’s why I’m scratching my head a bit. In anycase,mine definitely has a batt compartment etc. what mount are you currently using? drbill , 400 bucks just seems insane especially when there are other alternatives out there like the peluso one at 106 shipped www.pelusomicrophonelab.com/parts/Mounts.html Also this refurbed Neumann ea87, but again not sure if it’ll work! www.altomusic.com/neumann-ea87-shockmount-for-u87-nickel-c01?entity=1612&gclid=CMfBhduS2eICFQiewAod4U0IxAI know it’s been covered ALOT on the purple site about having an expensive mic in a cheap stand/mount vs the Neumann price gouging on their shockmounts etc so let’s not let it devolve into that ol horse lol- but with that said I’d rather go metal over some plastic thing like rycote. for those interested in are some pics to the listing of the mic reverb.com/item/24990124-neumann-u-87-1972-nickel-very-clean-includes-shockmount
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Post by ericn on Jun 8, 2019 11:00:40 GMT -6
We’ve got 3 vintage 87’s that use the screw in method on the bottom. Maybe they are a bit later than the one you have. They definitely all have the battery compartment and little battery check meter on the back. They work with either the 67 style strap mounts or with the bottom screw in mounts. Yeah I’ve worked with other vintage 87’s that screwed in so that’s why I’m scratching my head a bit. In anycase,mine definitely has a batt compartment etc. what mount are you currently using? drbill , 400 bucks just seems insane especially when there are other alternatives out there like the peluso one at 106 shipped www.pelusomicrophonelab.com/parts/Mounts.html Also this refurbed Neumann ea87, but again not sure if it’ll work! www.altomusic.com/neumann-ea87-shockmount-for-u87-nickel-c01?entity=1612&gclid=CMfBhduS2eICFQiewAod4U0IxAI know it’s been covered ALOT on the purple site about having an expensive mic in a cheap stand/mount vs the Neumann price gouging on their shockmounts etc so let’s not let it devolve into that ol horse lol- but with that said I’d rather go metal over some plastic thing like rycote. for those interested in are some pics to the listing of the mic reverb.com/item/24990124-neumann-u-87-1972-nickel-very-clean-includes-shockmountm Your looking at this wrong, It’s not why should I spend this much when there are cheaper options, it’s will this cheap piece of junk protect my lovely mic. The metal used in those cheap shcck mounts is the cheapest crappiest pot metal out there, the support bands have no railing as to how much support. Do you want a something designed and built to protect your mic or something designed to look like it will protect your mic? The affordable solution is the Rycote, once you go down this path you will become addicted to its quality and versatility, you will never look at traditional shock mounts again.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 8, 2019 11:05:40 GMT -6
Also, I think with the original Neumann and the Rycote, there's better stabilization and less noise transferred.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 11:12:40 GMT -6
I won't use anything other than Rycote mounts now.
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