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Post by baquin on Jul 9, 2015 12:50:55 GMT -6
Thanks working with latency in native protools is a huge pain. Latency is calculated automatically but I always end up having to make manual adjustments.. I hope measure latency function in mixbus is better than protools. I hope that too! I'll check it later and report back.
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Post by keymod on Jul 10, 2015 3:40:32 GMT -6
I purchased the upgrade to version 3 last night and poked around in it for about an hour. Seems really nice. Harrison's licensing scheme was driving me crazy, but I think I figured it out. Sadly, while on version 2, I purchased a couple of their plugins during one of their promos, and I still can't get the licenses to be recognized/accepted. This one PITA made me want to chuck the whole mixbuss thing out the window.
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Post by Ward on Jul 10, 2015 6:36:21 GMT -6
How compatible is it with Pro Tools? I'd be thrilled if I cold open a Pro tools session with it, just as is. Even more thrilled if everything like regions and settings worked... and over the moon if I could save in PTX format.
But it's probably more likely I'd have to do all my tracking and editing in PT, then consolidate files, export files to new folders and then import them in Mixbus and start mixing from there.
Can anyone speak to this?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 10, 2015 6:50:25 GMT -6
But it's probably more likely I'd have to do all my tracking and editing in PT, then consolidate files, export files to new folders and then import them in Mixbus and start mixing from there. ...and who has time for all that.
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Post by mulmany on Jul 10, 2015 7:45:18 GMT -6
How compatible is it with Pro Tools? I'd be thrilled if I cold open a Pro tools session with it, just as is. Even more thrilled if everything like regions and settings worked... and over the moon if I could save in PTX format. But it's probably more likely I'd have to do all my tracking and editing in PT, then consolidate files, export files to new folders and then import them in Mixbus and start mixing from there. Can anyone speak to this? I bought it bbut have not dug that deep yet. They say you can internally port your pt outputs directly into mixbuss, so no consolidation required. The transports then lock together. They have a tutorial on their site.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 16:28:19 GMT -6
Exactly, AFAIK they have tutorials how to accomplish the out/in connections from PT and Logic to Mixbus...
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 10, 2015 17:09:06 GMT -6
So it's like a tape machine being locked to my PT's? Basically all my plugins and processing are done in PT and the audio is routed into Mixbus like a console where I can do the final mix? We used to do this sometimes when we didn't feel like changing over the console inputs from tape to PT. The tape Machine would lock up to PT's and a batch of outputs from both would hit the console.
Where can I find those tutorials Martin?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 10, 2015 20:25:38 GMT -6
Damnit...stop sending my money.
I haven't heard it, but the forum hype machine has made my wallet throb.
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Post by ericn on Jul 10, 2015 21:27:53 GMT -6
Damnit...stop sending my money. I haven't heard it, but the forum hype machine has made my wallet throb. You want this one it's not hype it's just that good!
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Post by keymod on Jul 11, 2015 5:24:38 GMT -6
If Harrison develop the dedicated controller for this, I will try to be one of the first to buy it. At least I hope they work out universal midi/usb controller capability. I just saw a news item on Sweetwater's Namm show coverage where Presonus have come out with a dedicated, motorized fader controller for their Studio 1 software.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 6:30:37 GMT -6
So it's like a tape machine being locked to my PT's? Basically all my plugins and processing are done in PT and the audio is routed into Mixbus like a console where I can do the final mix? We used to do this sometimes when we didn't feel like changing over the console inputs from tape to PT. The tape Machine would lock up to PT's and a batch of outputs from both would hit the console. Where can I find those tutorials Martin? This one is for routing Protools to Mixbus. Also, be aware you may have an offset in mixbus, check out this threas over at Harrison Console Forum: mixbus.harrisonconsoles.com/forum/thread-18.htmlLogic vid will follow...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 6:55:12 GMT -6
This is the follow-up to the routing method above, this time it is shown how to export audio from a PT session to Mixbus for mixing. There may be occasions where this comes more handy than above.
Still looking out for a Logic vid, but maybe i was remembering wrong, so what i can say is, that it's basically the same idea behind it. Routing audio via Jack and trying to sync transport, or exporting the audio and import in Mixbus. Pretty straight forward.
The idea is exactly what Jerome said - using Mixbus as a tape machine with console in front. There were also users trying to even route the audio of the master out back to their main DAW, like using it as an external console. This should also be possible with connections in JACK. Please note, these methods use JACK connections and therefore are relying on it. Under Windows AFAIK this is/was not supported. Mixbus 2 came with a special "hidden" installation of JACK for Windows, which was not ready to do this. Other types of JACK for Windows were not supported either. Maybe i will check out a way to accomplish this in Mixbus 3 in Windows, too, not sure yet, how or if this could work anyhow, i have not yet upgraded but will soon...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 7:06:53 GMT -6
Damnit...stop sending my money. I haven't heard it, but the forum hype machine has made my wallet throb. John, hard times for your wallet. Think of it like you just discovered this shiny little plugin in the internet, the video is sick, it looks sooo good, it sounds good, you have to have it....you know what i mean. And it is not expensive at all. Wait....it's a DAW and full console emulation, not just an EQ, dammit....! Buy this or take your lady for a dinner. Or both at twice the cost...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 7:13:37 GMT -6
I know, it's a bit mean, but here one of those vids for you country guys, showing a mix session in Mixbus, simply watch and decide, if you think working like this is something for you or not...so - let's shut up and mix....
Btw., this is pretty the same how i worked on wiz' mix. The GVerb+ from the Essential Plugins that i purchased additionally in a bus. I just inserted a second long one into the lead verb. I am just not as shy of grabbing EQ knobs as the guy in the vid. :-) I guess it is as analog style oldschool and common sense as it gets.
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Post by mikec on Jul 11, 2015 7:24:48 GMT -6
I downloaded this last night and played around with it some. The only thing keeping me from using it full time before was the lack of being able to use EZ drummer. EZ drummer worked like a charm last night. The bonus surprise was that I could use my Raven Mti and control the faders. I bounce around from protools, logic, and studio one but now plan on trying to migrate primarily to mixbus. It's also the first daw to my ears where summing through my Metric Halo ULN8 doesn't add anything, so that will save me a step.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 7:51:48 GMT -6
I downloaded this last night and played around with it some. The only thing keeping me from using it full time before was the lack of being able to use EZ drummer. EZ drummer worked like a charm last night. The bonus surprise was that I could use my Raven Mti and control the faders. I bounce around from protools, logic, and studio one but now plan on trying to migrate primarily to mixbus. It's also the first daw to my ears where summing through my Metric Halo ULN8 doesn't add anything, so that will save me a step. You mean, they enabled control surface support now? Has there been an update since release?
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Post by mikec on Jul 11, 2015 9:34:03 GMT -6
I didn't think they had enabled it either, but just messing around briefly I had fader control. I plan on spending more time with it today.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2015 14:12:09 GMT -6
I guess I'll just have to try a mix with it - to see if it "sounds" better...because it would cause a major workflow slowdown. And I'll admit...I'm somewhat un-interested because the whole "this daw sounds better than this one" seems like such hyperbole. I already use Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic and have had great mixes in all of them...I'm just leery in believing all of a sudden Harrison has found the magic bullet.
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Post by mulmany on Jul 11, 2015 15:04:33 GMT -6
I guess I'll just have to try a mix with it - to see if it "sounds" better...because it would cause a major workflow slowdown. And I'll admit...I'm somewhat un-interested because the whole "this daw sounds better than this one" seems like such hyperbole. I already use Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic and have had great mixes in all of them...I'm just leery in believing all of a sudden Harrison has found the magic bullet. I think the difference is that it's not just a "DAW". It's their software they use in the digital consoles (kinda), so it has been created to sound like Harrison wanted their consoles to sound like.
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Post by ericn on Jul 11, 2015 15:13:12 GMT -6
I guess I'll just have to try a mix with it - to see if it "sounds" better...because it would cause a major workflow slowdown. And I'll admit...I'm somewhat un-interested because the whole "this daw sounds better than this one" seems like such hyperbole. I already use Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic and have had great mixes in all of them...I'm just leery in believing all of a sudden Harrison has found the magic bullet. I think the difference is that it's not just a "DAW". It's their software they use in the digital consoles (kinda), so it has been created to sound like Harrison wanted their consoles to sound like. Exactly ! John go price a Harrison digital board and then look at the bargain this is !!! I wish SSL would do something like this for their automated summing system with a great controller it might get me to dump the console!
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Post by baquin on Jul 11, 2015 15:28:03 GMT -6
Well I have to say this Mixbus 3 has a distinct sound (good one). I can't say it's better than (insert your favorite DAW here). Coming from Studio One and Cubase, the workflow is different, Mixbus3 is near to be working on my console. The thing is you're only using the mouse and some keyboard shortcuts, so it's not that fast. Latency is not accurate with HW Inserts, it's really near to be anyway. I'm new using it but from my POV a DAW needs to be intuitive, MB3 is kind of intuitive. Routing is a guess game for the first time, you have to take note which is your interface output with the "playback" in MB3 and the same with the inputs. Maybe there is a way to do this easily. I wish there could be more than 8 Mixbuses for more FX, why limit that? Right now I can only work in 44.1Khz because there's an issue with the ASIO driver in MB3. I'm pretty sure they're going to fix almost everything in the next update. Also the use of a control surface might get this one to another level. Anyway at this point is buggy, but I think is worth the try, I'm using less plugins(for this project), it's CPU friendly and I like the sound (hope the client likes that sound!). Will have to report back later.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2015 15:34:34 GMT -6
Who's to say Harrison's Digital Board sounds like their analog boards? That's all I'm saying. If they do, then why in the heck would you pay for the analog board. It's cheap enough that I might try it, though. Maybe I'll be a convert.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2015 15:35:32 GMT -6
I'll say this - that song did NOT help sell it IMHO...
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Post by wiz on Jul 11, 2015 15:44:34 GMT -6
I feel a lot like you on this Johnkennthe thread certainly piqued my interest, and the endorsements here are from people who have good ears. But i have had a plug in embargo for the whole year, saving for the trip in a couple of months. Actually, that in itself has been interesting, I would have bought a shitload of stuff this year, and this would have been one of them. I am thankful for the other stuff having demos... I understand their logic for not having a demo, saying it takes time to know a DAW (as per the FAQ on their website) but, I still aint opening my wallet at this point. 8) cheers Wiz
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Post by ericn on Jul 11, 2015 17:02:00 GMT -6
Who's to say Harrison's Digital Board sounds like their analog boards? That's all I'm saying. If they do, then why in the heck would you pay for the analog board. It's cheap enough that I might try it, though. Maybe I'll be a convert. It dose not sound like their analog board, it sounds like their digital boards! The Harrison digital boards though sound the most like analog boards of any of the digital mixing systems. The reason is you have a company that has built some great sounding analog boards that understands the fact that the way to make a great sounding digital board is to not try to emulate analog, instead they realize if you go into to digital trying to do what digital can do best low and behold it sounds pretty good and well more like analog than those who are trying to make bits sound like resistors caps opamps and transformers! Try it you'll like it! I put this with Stiegers Stuff and Warm as great sounding bargains. Plus with some great conversion that has that Tape like quality , Burl, 2192 or Radar one might find in the box livable!
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