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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2015 9:53:23 GMT -6
Sounds killer to me. Love the 60's kit in mono. Great for a good sound on quick demoes. Might want to check it out fellas. Used it on this track here.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/ready-to-go
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Post by guitfiddler on May 11, 2015 16:11:59 GMT -6
Nice! Did you use real strings? If not, what do you use?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 11, 2015 17:27:40 GMT -6
Yeah that's several fiddle parts stacked.
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Post by matt on May 11, 2015 17:35:04 GMT -6
Excellent, the snare particularly, nice and fat. Well done!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 11, 2015 17:50:07 GMT -6
Yeah that's several fiddle parts stacked. How did you record it? it sounds DI'd, which to me is kinda harsh and not pretty, compared to everything else in the track. regarding the drums, it sounds canned vs. all of the nice, expensive sounding live instruments you've got on there. I'm afraid you made them sound bad, cuz everything else sounded so good!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 11, 2015 20:45:36 GMT -6
Yeah that's several fiddle parts stacked. How did you record it? it sounds DI'd, which to me is kinda harsh and not pretty, compared to everything else in the track. regarding the drums, it sounds canned vs. all of the nice, expensive sounding live instruments you've got on there. I'm afraid you made them sound bad, cuz everything else sounded so good! No Chuck that was stereo recorded. What happened was the sound post in my 1865 German fiddle fell out when I was changing strings one day and I tried to put it back in without the right tool. The post was in the wrong place and made the fiddle sound peculiar. I had it put back in by a luthier after I recorded this. Need to go back and redo some stuff. I just retracked the vocal tonight. I uploaded the new file above.
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Post by wiz on May 11, 2015 20:55:06 GMT -6
Killer lyrics...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 9, 2015 0:27:23 GMT -6
Just used the 70's kit with the Klanghelm comp on it...and that was it. Didn't even break it out. Surprisingly great...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 7, 2016 23:00:18 GMT -6
I still use this kit all the time...might be my favorite kit in fake-drumdom.
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Post by ragan on Jan 8, 2016 1:05:04 GMT -6
Sounds killer to me. Love the 60's kit in mono. Great for a good sound on quick demoes. Might want to check it out fellas. Used it on this track here. https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/ready-to-goSounds great, Herbie. I love the fiddle layers.
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Post by Ward on Jan 8, 2016 6:45:04 GMT -6
Yeah that's several fiddle parts stacked. How did you record it? it sounds DI'd, which to me is kinda harsh and not pretty, compared to everything else in the track. regarding the drums, it sounds canned vs. all of the nice, expensive sounding live instruments you've got on there. I'm afraid you made them sound bad, cuz everything else sounded so good! We should make a handy list of 'harsh' sounding frequencies on all instruments for folks. Might make things easier for some guys. My only thoughts on any mix are with regards to making something sound homogenous. If you're going to have an extremely roomy sounding drum kit or other instruments, then the vocal shouldn't be too in your face. I like music that sounds like it was recorded together. That being said, if you have a close mic on the kick drum, I'd bring that up a little bit.
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Post by popmann on Jan 9, 2016 21:30:48 GMT -6
Couple thoughts about the drum sounds and mix/part here:
-the kick is really uneven. What it sounds liek is a drum buss limiter is grabbing the harder hits and then giving the appearance that the lighter roomy hits are louder. It makes it sounds really roomy, then tight...then roomy....in what sounds like an inverse relationship to actual playing dynamics. I mostly ship the kick directly out if I'm gonna squeeze the drum buss. I liek a nice tonally even kick....tape emulations are terrible that way. We always had to gain the kick WAY low to get it to not fart out the tape...so, sticking a tape sim on the drum buss, while it's a kickass quick way to get a nice vibe, will lead to some weirdness IME with the kick and low toms. -as...."loose" as the timing is on the kick/snare, and sparse....you need the hat/rides louder and providing the subdivisions. It should allow you to leave those loose without sounding as abrupt
Unrelated, the acoustic is a little bright for my taste. It's just so much brighter than everything else in the mix....and combined with the cymbals being buried makes it stand out a lot more than I would want a strummy strum part to stand out. Maybe just bringing the cymbals where they should be will mask that a little....but....thought I'd mention it.
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Post by Ward on Jan 9, 2016 22:09:37 GMT -6
I hear you popmann... drums are often the hardest thing to record because you have to choose the way they will sound in the final mix whilst you're recording them else run the risk of 'manufacturing' a drum sound later.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2016 22:47:51 GMT -6
Well, this is a thread about the drum samples - the example was just an example.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 10, 2016 0:19:09 GMT -6
I like all the mix talk. And I agree. I did this months ago and I can now hear a lot of room for improvement. Sadly, the hard drive that this session was on is now a paper weight and would cost $600 plus to save. This mix is now what it is lol. But we live and learn.
My problem is I never really have a "Sound" to my productions. They are all over the place sonically. Same with my writing. I'm either diverse or slightly schizophrenic.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 10, 2016 5:58:45 GMT -6
Pre conceived or organic ? I have only been recording seriously for about 3-5 years and mostly focussed n my own songs. I always had a pre-conceieved idea of what the finished songs was supposed to be but I have found each time that things happen while recording which alter that pre-concieved idea and that if I am open to that the song grows and evolves in a good way.
I realize that is not going to be true in all situations but for my songs, I like to see the production is just another part of the creative process.
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Post by mikec on Jan 10, 2016 7:55:25 GMT -6
Back to the topic of the Southern Soul EZX. I bought it yesterday based on this thread (I need to stop coming here) and I think it is one of Toontrack's best. Now I just need to stop reading about the Chandler RS124 before I buy one or two of those.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 10, 2016 8:20:05 GMT -6
hey how would you feel if I let one of my buddies play drums and bass on this?
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Post by henge on Jan 10, 2016 9:06:52 GMT -6
Great tune! Love the strings. The drums do sound nice.Toontrack is such a goofy name though...;-)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 10, 2016 11:15:33 GMT -6
Sounds good cowboy, just a little big and roomy for my taste, but good.
I probably need to go back and properly learn how to tame the Superior Drummer snares and kicks. What Popmann referred to happens all over my tracks. I have one snare hit that's perfect, and the next is too hard, no matter how I dial in the velocity, I can't seem to get it right. I've been doing this in Logic's automation area. Maybe I should be doing this in Toontracks automation area?
EZ Drummer tracks work in Superior Drummer, right? I think I've done this before, but I'm just checking.
I SO wish they'd update SD to include that program where you play a simple beat on the digital drum kit instead of a keyboard, and it automatically searches for similar beats in order of complexity. That would save me a world of frustration.
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Post by popmann on Jan 10, 2016 11:57:06 GMT -6
MJB--the troublesome snare hit you speak of is "wrong" in the time domain. There's no "correct" velocity or volume for a hit hitting at the wrong time. If it's loud, it's jarring....if it's quiet, it's a distracting mistake....
Not what I was talking about, which is a tonal change due to use of kick(or whole kit) limiting. Which I actually thought WAS discussion of the sample library to a large degree....but, to turn it back to specifically the SDX how is the MIDI content in the pak?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 11, 2016 21:30:23 GMT -6
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