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Post by kidvybes on May 21, 2015 10:30:44 GMT -6
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Post by kidvybes on May 21, 2015 10:37:45 GMT -6
Just went back, great posts and soundless guys. I'm liking the Warbler 1 a lot. I hear a little sizzle/whistle on "Esses", but it sound real good. My first interest is a guitar mic though, so since the Teal is listed as a "guitar mic", that's probably where I'd look. So far, the closest thing I've heard to a U87 that's lower priced is the Mojave MA-300. I'd love to hear a shootout between the Warbler 1 and the Mojave. ...the whistle you hear is me, not the mic...I have a wide gap (ala David Letterman) between my two front teeth...so on most LDC mics, I sound much more whistley/essy...trust me, it's accurate what you're hearing... ...I had the Mojave MA200 (tube) and MA201 (FET)...cardioid versions of the MA300/301...the Warbler hangs...especially with the FET variants...I believe Guosheng's capsules are superior...I wish I was free to tell you the mics that originate from his manufacturing facility...it would cinch the deal, but I promised to be discrete... ...when the mic brand actually controls their own capsule manufacturing, it's a major plus, particularly at these low price-points...
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Post by kidvybes on May 21, 2015 10:39:54 GMT -6
I am interested to hear the 251 as well. ...I hope to have it by the weekend...will post files once I have the opportunity...
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Post by warrenfirehouse on May 21, 2015 10:49:57 GMT -6
I wish I was free to tell you the mic's that originate from his manufacturing facility...it would cinch the deal, but I promised to be discrete... WHAT A TEASE!!!! Which one is the 251 voiced mic? I dont see it on the website.
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Post by ragan on May 21, 2015 11:18:31 GMT -6
I wish I was free to tell you the mic's that originate from his manufacturing facility...it would cinch the deal, but I promised to be discrete... WHAT A TEASE!!!! Which one is the 251 voiced mic? I dont see it on the website. The Warblers III, IV and V are basically C12 voiced (III), somewhere in the middle (IV) and 251 (V). So going from airy to smoother. They're not on his site yet because they're not really available yet. Guosheng told me June but apparently KidVybes has some wicked pull....
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Post by ragan on May 21, 2015 11:32:15 GMT -6
Just went back, great posts and soundfiles guys. I'm liking the Warbler 1 a lot. I hear a little sizzle/whistle on "Esses", but it sounds really good. My first interest is a guitar mic though, so since the Teal is listed as a "guitar mic", that's probably where I'd look. So far, the closest thing I've heard to a U87 that's lower priced is the Mojave MA-300. I'd love to hear a shootout between the Warbler 1 and the Mojave. I can attest that the Warbler I isn't essy. I'm incredibly sensitive to that (my voice is bright and can be brash) and the Warbler I (on Voice 2) is the best I've been able to find (of mics I've owned) on my voice. The proximity effect is really nice and useful and the top is soft. It's smoother than my Stellar CM-5 and clearer/more dimensional than my SM7b and Sennheeiser 441, all of which have been my go to's for my voice. And I like it a good bit better than my 414b-ULS's for my voice, though I think in general terms it's more of a crossgrade, quality wise. Not objectively better than my 414s, but I prefer it's voicing on some things.
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Post by kidvybes on May 21, 2015 11:32:51 GMT -6
WHAT A TEASE!!!! Which one is the 251 voiced mic? I dont see it on the website. The Warblers III, IV and V are basically C12 voiced (III), somewhere in the middle (IV) and 251 (V). So going from airy to smoother. They're not on his site yet because they're not really available yet. Guosheng told me June but apparently KidVybes has some wicked pull.... ...yeah, I purchased the prototype (a few scratches, no problem)... ...Guosheng is hoping to see a shipment of the Warbler bodies by the end of this month, so he's projecting completed inventory to be replenished by around June 10th...the first of the C12-capsule equipped Warblers to be available will be the "V" or as I'm assuming, 251-inspired ("warm and smooth" is how he describes it)...
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 21, 2015 16:49:22 GMT -6
Groovy, can't wait. I'll contact Guosheng tomorrow about choosing an acoustic guitar mic. Thanks kidvybes.
It would be really helpful if he was able to post sound files with the three C12 versions.
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Post by ragan on May 21, 2015 21:04:05 GMT -6
Ok so here's a quick mono OH test I did today. I just pulled a minimal kick/snare setup out of the closet and threw up the Warbler I and the 414b-ULS. Didn't tune the drums or anything.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/raganandtheragans/mono-oh-warbler-i https%3A//soundcloud.com/raganandtheragans/mono-oh-414b-uls
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Post by lpedrum on May 21, 2015 21:38:57 GMT -6
Ok so here's a quick mono OH test I did today. I just pulled a minimal kick/snare setup out of the closet and threw up the Warbler I and the 414b-ULS. Didn't tune the drums or anything. https%3A//soundcloud.com/raganandtheragans/mono-oh-warbler-ihttps%3A//soundcloud.com/raganandtheragans/mono-oh-414b-ulsSnare is a little harsher with the Warbler, while the 414 seems to tame the trashiness a bit. I wouldn't jump to say that's a deficiency with the Warbler though--could be that that mic is picking up more of the harshness of that space.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 21, 2015 22:36:47 GMT -6
I agree. Ragan, I'd love to hear a quick vocal comparison between your go to vocal mic and the Warbler.
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Post by ragan on May 22, 2015 0:58:23 GMT -6
I like them both on OH. One consistent theme I notice with these two mics (Warbler I and 414b-ULS) is that the 414 seems to smooth the sound in the 3-7k range, but it pushes that energy into the 14-16k range (if that makes any sense). The Warbler I has more forward mids but a softer top. The 414 has more subdued hi mids but a slightly grainier top.
I can EQ them to sound quite similar.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 22, 2015 8:39:05 GMT -6
Ragan, let's say you're doing the lead vocal on a new track, which of the mics you have will you choose?
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Post by ragan on May 22, 2015 9:15:28 GMT -6
Ragan, let's say you're doing the lead vocal on a new track, which of the mics you have will you choose? Right now it would be the Warbler. I've been shooting it out against my go to's and it's better. Just more dimensionality and a great proximity effect when I want thickening. And the adjustable top end is super cool. I like V2 for my voice. That said, I've never been thrilled with any of my options on my voice so it's not dethroning anything I had a huge attachment to, vocally. But it's a great mic. Perhaps not my Ultimate The One vocal mic, but it's definitely the best I've got. It really just sounds like the older U87 I've used. I'm super interested to hear the Warbler V and I will likely be buying one and then getting either a second Warbler I or a second Warbler V, depending on which I want a pair of.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 22, 2015 9:30:14 GMT -6
I am getting the different warblers mixed up is there a 67, 47, c12 and 251 and then they have multi voicings ?
thx !
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Post by ragan on May 22, 2015 9:53:00 GMT -6
I am getting the different warblers mixed up is there a 67, 47, c12 and 251 and then they have multi voicings ? thx ! Yep. Warbler - 87 Warbler II - 47 Warbler III - C12 Warbler IV - somewhere between C12 and 251 Warbler V - 251 They're all FET and they all have 3 voicing switches that change the top end. III-V aren't available yet though KidVybes has a prototype V on the way.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 22, 2015 9:56:27 GMT -6
great thx Ragan !
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Post by kidvybes on May 22, 2015 10:18:58 GMT -6
I am getting the different warblers mixed up is there a 67, 47, c12 and 251 and then they have multi voicings ? thx ! ...and keep in mind that these Warbler FET mics have transformer-coupled output staging employing trannies with historically appropriate ratios, unlike many other FET mics in this price-range... ...3U Audio packages their mics in foam-lined cardboard boxes with very basic hard-mounts...it's very clear when listening to these mics and examining their circuitry/build quality that the focus on making these affordable was to put all costs into where they pay off most in the sonic sense...these are very well-built, solid, mics with heft...no bling-bling or hype...somewhat reminiscent of KEL Audio in that respect...frankly I've not seen an under-$300 mic with this build quality... ...and yes, each mic has a 3-stage voicing switch which attenuates top-end giving the mic multiple voicings, as well as a high-pass and pad switch... Attachments:
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Post by kcatthedog on May 22, 2015 10:33:52 GMT -6
thx yes I understood the significance of the transformer ratios ! the cdn $ depreciation vs usd will increase these to cdn buyers by about 30% all in with taxes, but they are still very well priced.
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Post by guitfiddler on May 22, 2015 15:21:31 GMT -6
I'm sold, now which one?
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Post by ragan on May 22, 2015 15:34:54 GMT -6
What do you want to use it on?
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Post by indiehouse on May 22, 2015 16:04:16 GMT -6
What do you want to use it on? Let's say a pair for overheads (or rooms) and maybe acoustic/electric guitar.
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Post by ragan on May 22, 2015 16:32:49 GMT -6
What do you want to use it on? Let's say a pair for overheads (or rooms) and maybe acoustic/electric guitar. For my sensibilities. I'd go for a pair of Warbler I's for those duties. Those are pretty classic spots for a pair of 87s. But if you want something with less mid heft and more air. The Warbler IV is something to look at, though none of us have heard it. Just a guess there.
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Post by guitfiddler on May 23, 2015 4:42:39 GMT -6
What do you want to use it on? It would be probably general workhorse mics, but after hearing your descriptions on these mics, and sound samples, the $299 Warbler (U87) seems like a good deal, I have been holding off because I have been researching DIY, and I already have C414 ' s that I am happy with. I put 47 capsules in my Rode NT2'S and they sound so much better now, what a relief, I have had these mics since 1995 and never really liked them, but glad I held on to them. The search is still on for a nice vocal mic, I almost sprung for a Telefunken Ar51, but fought off the gas. Still waiting for that DIY 251 thread to move forward.
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Post by kidvybes on May 23, 2015 13:00:00 GMT -6
...I just received the 3U Audio "Warbler MK V" FET condenser microphone...this is one of the three Warbler-series mics that employs an edge-terminated C12-style capsule and a 12:1 T14-style transformer...I believe that this may be the least-scooped of the C12 Warbler-variants, so this mic exhibits a very smooth and warm character... ...to better put in perspective the differing voicings of these mics, I sandwiched the MK V between sample of the original Warbler (K67 capsule) and the Warbler MK II (K47 capsule)...please keep in mind when you audition these VO files by me that I'm not an ideal candidate for voice-over, as I have a gap between my two top front-teeth which can produce an emphasized "whistle/essy" characteristic to my speech... ...so you will hear the Warbler (I) first, then the Warbler MK V, and lastly the Warbler MK II: app.box.com/s/hqxnu4kg8b32w4q57k1h5ndhd4o2ol0c*** and I must say, that's about the prettiest C12 capsule I've seen in a ready-built condenser microphone in this price category...
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