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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 17, 2015 11:19:28 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Feb 17, 2015 12:36:52 GMT -6
I can't. I own the Trirec and a 333XL and I have to say they are great sounding, especially the trirec.
However.. Here's the rub.. They are built like shit. Don't expect to gig with them without constant failures of various components, especially the myriad of cables and connectors inside. It's like a bird's nest of wires going everywhere and nothing supporting them. The connectors typically pull right apart and/or pull off the pins without much force. The big power connectors tend to burn due to being loose.
The 333xl kept having relays blow out until I replaced them all with better quality ones. Apparently this is fixed in newer versions.
The trirec had random solder/connector issues and a number of resistors that were reading opens even though they weren't burnt.
Once fixed the amps have been pretty reliable as studio queens.
I think if you can find a working Trirec you'd be extremely happy with the tone. It's the exact same as the 3 channel dual rectifier. In fact, I used the mesa schematics to fix my Trirec...
I plan on getting the Ampeg SVT clone that Bugera makes now too..
I've read a lot of reviews for the 6262 and it's just a clone of the peavey 6505.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 17, 2015 12:57:47 GMT -6
I can't. I own the Trirec and a 333XL and I have to say they are great sounding, especially the trirec. However.. Here's the rub.. They are built like shit. Don't expect to gig with them without constant failures of various components, especially the myriad of cables and connectors inside. It's like a bird's nest of wires going everywhere and nothing supporting them. The connectors typically pull right apart and/or pull off the pins without much force. The big power connectors tend to burn due to being loose. The 333xl kept having relays blow out until I replaced them all with better quality ones. Apparently this is fixed in newer versions. The trirec had random solder/connector issues and a number of resistors that were reading opens even though they weren't burnt. Once fixed the amps have been pretty reliable as studio queens. I think if you can find a working Trirec you'd be extremely happy with the tone. It's the exact same as the 3 channel dual rectifier. In fact, I used the mesa schematics to fix my Trirec... I plan on getting the Ampeg SVT clone that Bugera makes now too.. I've read a lot of reviews for the 6262 and it's just a clone of the peavey 6505. I plan on never gigging with the amp. I'll get together with some guys once a month to play a couple songs and use it at home, so I'm not too concerned about the reliability. Can you get nice tone from these with the master volume way down? The biggest downfall that I'm seeing is that this thing is about 100 watts more than I need. I found a 2 channel Mesa Rectoverb 1x12 combo for $599 too. That seems to be a pretty decent deal too and probably more reliable/smaller footprint, but double the price of this brand new Bugera. |
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Post by svart on Feb 17, 2015 13:39:50 GMT -6
I can't. I own the Trirec and a 333XL and I have to say they are great sounding, especially the trirec. However.. Here's the rub.. They are built like shit. Don't expect to gig with them without constant failures of various components, especially the myriad of cables and connectors inside. It's like a bird's nest of wires going everywhere and nothing supporting them. The connectors typically pull right apart and/or pull off the pins without much force. The big power connectors tend to burn due to being loose. The 333xl kept having relays blow out until I replaced them all with better quality ones. Apparently this is fixed in newer versions. The trirec had random solder/connector issues and a number of resistors that were reading opens even though they weren't burnt. Once fixed the amps have been pretty reliable as studio queens. I think if you can find a working Trirec you'd be extremely happy with the tone. It's the exact same as the 3 channel dual rectifier. In fact, I used the mesa schematics to fix my Trirec... I plan on getting the Ampeg SVT clone that Bugera makes now too.. I've read a lot of reviews for the 6262 and it's just a clone of the peavey 6505. I plan on never gigging with the amp. I'll get together with some guys once a month to play a couple songs and use it at home, so I'm not too concerned about the reliability. Can you get nice tone from these with the master volume way down? The biggest downfall that I'm seeing is that this thing is about 100 watts more than I need. I found a 2 channel Mesa Rectoverb 1x12 combo for $599 too. That seems to be a pretty decent deal too and probably more reliable/smaller footprint, but double the price of this brand new Bugera. I typically keep the master maybe 1/3rd the way up and do more tone searching with the channel volume. The channel volume seems to add more thickness as it's turned up, while the master is just more gain. For me it mostly depends on the guitar's tone as to which one I play with more. I also tend to turn the mids halfway and leave the bass and treble pots turned about 1/3rd. I'll also turn the presence way up and then play with the gain to get more or less top end. This is played through a 2x12 with a greenback and V30. I typically mic the V30 with an R121 right in the center of the dustcap, about 8" back from the dustcap itself (not the grillcloth), and I get a pretty nice tone that seems to fit well in mixes. it sounds pretty mid heavy on it's own though. Mesa is pretty known for the "grunt" of it's amps. It's not so much a lot of bass, but seems to kinda allow transients through and then compress the signal a bit. This Trirec does that too, so I know it's pretty close to the real deal. I also find myself liking the silicon rectifiers more than the valve rectifiers. The tone is just more clean for a tighter sound. Also, these come with chinese tubes. They aren't bad sounding, but they aren't great sounding either. You'll probably want to spring for some new tubes if you do get a Bugera amp. |
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Post by svart on Feb 17, 2015 13:51:23 GMT -6
Damn and now I see they have a 6262 head for 250$ shipped.. That's almost too good for me to pass up for a 6505+ clone. Maaaan.. I need to save money.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 17, 2015 14:16:23 GMT -6
Damn and now I see they have a 6262 head for 250$ shipped.. That's almost too good for me to pass up for a 6505+ clone. Maaaan.. I need to save money. It's just so cheap. These pedals I'm looking at to get me some high gain are $200+.....or I can buy a full amp for the same coin. |
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Post by svart on Feb 17, 2015 14:25:07 GMT -6
Damn and now I see they have a 6262 head for 250$ shipped.. That's almost too good for me to pass up for a 6505+ clone. Maaaan.. I need to save money. It's just so cheap. These pedals I'm looking at to get me some high gain are $200+.....or I can buy a full amp for the same coin. In my experience it's always amp>pedals for anything if you can do it. So many folks have come in to the studio with boards full of pedals and a mind full of expectations. Lots of them want high gain or dirty sounds with their pedals and some random amp they've brought. When we can't get a good tone out of their pedals, I plug them direct into a real high gain tube amp and smile as they quickly start making excuses for their tone (and a few have offered to buy my amps on the spot). Mostly it's just kids who can't afford to buy an amp for a lot of money, but they can slowly collect pedals over time. After that it's pretty much a quantity-over-quality thing for them as I usually get the "duuuude check out all these different tonez!!", and then they want to try them ALL during recording, or at least try to record them all in different parts of songs. Auditory dick measuring for sure.. But I digress. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 17, 2015 15:19:40 GMT -6
It's just so cheap. These pedals I'm looking at to get me some high gain are $200+.....or I can buy a full amp for the same coin. In my experience it's always amp>pedals for anything if you can do it. So many folks have come in to the studio with boards full of pedals and a mind full of expectations. Lots of them want high gain or dirty sounds with their pedals and some random amp they've brought. When we can't get a good tone out of their pedals, I plug them direct into a real high gain tube amp and smile as they quickly start making excuses for their tone (and a few have offered to buy my amps on the spot). Mostly it's just kids who can't afford to buy an amp for a lot of money, but they can slowly collect pedals over time. After that it's pretty much a quantity-over-quality thing for them as I usually get the "duuuude check out all these different tonez!!", and then they want to try them ALL during recording, or at least try to record them all in different parts of songs. Auditory dick measuring for sure.. But I digress. I agree. I've always thought amps sounded better than pedals too. I'm just having a hard time justifying grabbing a 120 watt amp to play at bedroom levels 95% of the time. How does that 333 sound? I was reading that it does better with very low volumes than the 6262 because of the master volume. I assume that it does modern sounding high gain well? I've got clean and medium gain covered with my Bassman and Orange. |
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Post by svart on Feb 17, 2015 15:34:14 GMT -6
In my experience it's always amp>pedals for anything if you can do it. So many folks have come in to the studio with boards full of pedals and a mind full of expectations. Lots of them want high gain or dirty sounds with their pedals and some random amp they've brought. When we can't get a good tone out of their pedals, I plug them direct into a real high gain tube amp and smile as they quickly start making excuses for their tone (and a few have offered to buy my amps on the spot). Mostly it's just kids who can't afford to buy an amp for a lot of money, but they can slowly collect pedals over time. After that it's pretty much a quantity-over-quality thing for them as I usually get the "duuuude check out all these different tonez!!", and then they want to try them ALL during recording, or at least try to record them all in different parts of songs. Auditory dick measuring for sure.. But I digress. I agree. I've always thought amps sounded better than pedals too. I'm just having a hard time justifying grabbing a 120 watt amp to play at bedroom levels 95% of the time. How does that 333 sound? I was reading that it does better with very low volumes than the 6262 because of the master volume. I assume that it does modern sounding high gain well? I've got clean and medium gain covered with my Bassman and Orange. It's just OK. I got it because it was cheap(broken) at the time and wanted to play around with it. I find it a lot harder to dial in a good sound than the trirec. With the Trirec, the sound is just there and you dial in the EQ and gain to fit. With the 333xl I found myself doing a lot of dialing in and moving mics around to get it just right. The 333xl does have a ton of gain although it's not hard rock/heavy metal type gain. It's extremely middy sounding, good for leads I suppose since it's a clone of the Peavy JSX (joe satriani signature?). It also doesn't have any grunt like the mesa/trirec does. The dynamics are very flat. I have no personal experience with the 6260/6262 although the samples on places like UltimateMetal forum seem pretty good. A lot more "heavy/metal" than the 333xl is. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 17, 2015 15:57:40 GMT -6
Sounds pretty hot here.
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Post by svart on Feb 17, 2015 16:11:51 GMT -6
Sounds like the bugera was a tiny bit more mid forward, but a little EQ would fix that right up. I'm really thinking about getting the 250$ 6262 now.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 16:20:47 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 17, 2015 16:32:16 GMT -6
The Bugera is only half the price of the new Peavey though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 16:37:28 GMT -6
The Bugera is only half the price of the new Peavey though. Well the pro's for the 6505MH, tons of recording options, extremely well built, won't fry itself and it sounds awesome. You'd never need to buy another amp unless you want a different tone. The pro's for the Bugera, urrr it's cheap. Thing about Ola's recordings, they all sound very similar. I've noticed much wilder variances in tone than what he puts out, nothing wrong with that as he has his own style but it depends on what you want really. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 17, 2015 16:43:38 GMT -6
The Bugera is only half the price of the new Peavey though. Well the pro's for the 6505MH, tons of recording options, extremely well built, won't fry itself and it sounds awesome. You'd never need to buy another amp unless you want a different tone. The pro's for the Bugera, urrr it's cheap. Thing about Ola's recordings, they all sound very similar. I've noticed much wilder variances in tone than what he puts out, nothing wrong with that as he has his own style but it depends on what you want really. I didn't realize Ola was someone people knew. Just thought it was a guy in his basement. In the end, I'll probably end up just keeping my H&K for high gain. Just was looking for a cheaper option. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 16:50:49 GMT -6
Well the pro's for the 6505MH, tons of recording options, extremely well built, won't fry itself and it sounds awesome. You'd never need to buy another amp unless you want a different tone. The pro's for the Bugera, urrr it's cheap. Thing about Ola's recordings, they all sound very similar. I've noticed much wilder variances in tone than what he puts out, nothing wrong with that as he has his own style but it depends on what you want really. I didn't realize Ola was someone people knew. Just thought it was a guy in his basement. In the end, I'll probably end up just keeping my H&K for high gain. Just was looking for a cheaper option. Just out of curiosity, if you're looking for a high gain pedal.. Is your HK doing the job for you? I've had boost pedals for Mesa's but for most amps (Diezel VH4, 6505, Laney Ironheart) outboard pedals made things worse than better  .. The Bugera could be a good entry into the Peavey sound. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 18, 2015 16:40:45 GMT -6
Bet you could change out the trannys on this thing and get it screaming. It's worth 300 for the cabinet and speakers aint it?
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Post by svart on Feb 18, 2015 16:52:27 GMT -6
Bet you could change out the trannys on this thing and get it screaming. It's worth 300 for the cabinet and speakers aint it? I'd probably keep the trannies and swap the speakers if anything. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 19, 2015 11:53:10 GMT -6
I didn't realize Ola was someone people knew. Just thought it was a guy in his basement. In the end, I'll probably end up just keeping my H&K for high gain. Just was looking for a cheaper option. Just out of curiosity, if you're looking for a high gain pedal.. Is your HK doing the job for you? I've had boost pedals for Mesa's but for most amps (Diezel VH4, 6505, Laney Ironheart) outboard pedals made things worse than better .. The Bugera could be a good entry into the Peavey sound. I was looking for a high gain pedal to use with my Orange or Bassman instead of the H&K. The H&K does a decent job of the high gain sound that I'm looking for, but I don't have a cab for it, so I'm running it through the speakers in my Orange combo. It's not really an ideal way to use it. My plan was to sell the H&K, buy a pedal to get high gain tones, and pocket a few hundo. Then I came across these Bugera amp deals for not much more than a pedal. I imagine that part of my problem is the guitar too. I'm using a Fender Japan Jaguar HH Special. The common complaint about these jags are that the humbuckers aren't very hot. I might sell the guitar and grab something else. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 16:04:14 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, if you're looking for a high gain pedal.. Is your HK doing the job for you? I've had boost pedals for Mesa's but for most amps (Diezel VH4, 6505, Laney Ironheart) outboard pedals made things worse than better .. The Bugera could be a good entry into the Peavey sound. I was looking for a high gain pedal to use with my Orange or Bassman instead of the H&K. The H&K does a decent job of the high gain sound that I'm looking for, but I don't have a cab for it, so I'm running it through the speakers in my Orange combo. It's not really an ideal way to use it. My plan was to sell the H&K, buy a pedal to get high gain tones, and pocket a few hundo. Then I came across these Bugera amp deals for not much more than a pedal. I imagine that part of my problem is the guitar too. I'm using a Fender Japan Jaguar HH Special. The common complaint about these jags are that the humbuckers aren't very hot. I might sell the guitar and grab something else. As much as we flack on Behringer, they are actually decent sounding amps and hell it comes with a warranty. A decent pedal wouldn't be a hundred miles off the price, if I didn't have a Kemper I'd defo go for it just to mess around with at that price. As for humbuckers, I might have an SD bridge you can have. |
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Post by svart on Mar 6, 2015 10:30:28 GMT -6
Ok, so I finally said fuckit and bought the 6262 head for 249$ with free shipping. Expected ship date of 3/21.. We'll see how it turns out. They are on closeout so I bet I get stiffed and get a refund, but it's worth a shot for that price I suppose..
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 6, 2015 11:41:49 GMT -6
Ok, so I finally said fuckit and bought the 6262 head for 249$ with free shipping. Expected ship date of 3/21.. We'll see how it turns out. They are on closeout so I bet I get stiffed and get a refund, but it's worth a shot for that price I suppose.. My buddie ordered the combo and it was slated to ship tomorrow. Hasn't heard otherwise yet, so we'll see soon enough. |
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Post by svart on Mar 18, 2015 21:40:32 GMT -6
Got my 6262 yesterday. It shipped about a week early.
Anyway, first impression is that it sounds like a 5150, as it should.
Gets kinda fuzzy with the LP, but it's perfect with the B.C. Rich.
I'll also try doing a bias on the output tubes. Bugera isn't known for shipping amps with good biasing from the factory.
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Post by svart on Jun 23, 2015 12:18:51 GMT -6
The bugera 1990 is now 199$ shipped from MF.. So I bought one. Damn. i think I might have a problem.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 23, 2015 12:42:07 GMT -6
The bugera 1990 is now 199$ shipped from MF.. So I bought one. Damn. i think I might have a problem. Damn 6262 combo is down to $229 now. Muuuuussssttttt resist. |
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