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Post by scumbum on Aug 20, 2013 18:35:37 GMT -6
Theres a website that shows the RMS levels of most commercial released albums , does anyone know the name of it ?? I found it in the past but forgot what its called and can't find it . Thanks ,
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Post by scumbum on Aug 21, 2013 10:30:02 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Aug 21, 2013 11:16:11 GMT -6
Interesting. I rarely care about the whole loudness thing. It's just part of the music styles IMHO. I expect something like Carcass to be loud and obnoxious, while something like Springsteen to be more laid back.
I think people get too attached to their opinions. I also think they want subconscious confirmation that their opinion is the best opinion, which drives them to get so angry about something that other people think is perfectly fine.
So many times on GS you'd read some thread bitching about loudness of some pop song and then reference something like old Pink Floyd as their favorite comparison point. As an objective person, you have to step back and wonder what business they have judging one genre and style when their bias is clearly for another, completely different, genre and style.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 21, 2013 14:13:08 GMT -6
I spend a lot of time trying to increase the quality and dynamic range of my equipment, the loudness war is a fly in the face of anyone who cares about the integrity of their recordings, the art of musical expression, and the beauty of emotional nuance IMO. These people square clip the tops off perfectly good waveforms and create digital distortion that has been proven to "annoy" listeners for god sake! It stems from some delusional belief that it's going to make their crappy songs more competitive, when in reality, if someone digs the tune, they reach for their volume knob?? I hope a standard of loudness is established soon, it will make the quality of recordings and the listening experience matter again. This loudness BS really irks me, and it has nothing to do with music bias, IMO it simply sounds awful, and is disrespectful to our art itself.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 21, 2013 15:22:48 GMT -6
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Post by scumbum on Aug 21, 2013 15:47:45 GMT -6
Awesome video . He talks about Loudness Normalization ? Pointing to the future 2020 . Whats that all about ? Theres gonna be standard in the future ?
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 21, 2013 15:56:56 GMT -6
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Post by watchtower on Aug 21, 2013 16:42:23 GMT -6
So it costs $30 to get the TT DR Meter? Is DR just Peak minus RMS?
I read that brainworx bought the rights to the TT meter, and they indeed have a Dynamic Range reading in their bx_meter plug, but that's $99.
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Post by Gustav on Aug 22, 2013 1:32:34 GMT -6
"Set your sound card to 48Khz for best sound" Huh? Gustav
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Post by svart on Aug 22, 2013 8:21:24 GMT -6
I don't get it. LPs didn't have much dynamic range due to the way they work, even Bob Katz said so in the video. So why is he complaining about modern audio being "too loud" when they are essentially reducing the dynamic range of modern audio to be more like it was with LPs?
I think the whole complaint is that people are distorting the audio to make it loud, not simply just making it loud.
Also, was anyone else MORE offended by the crazy amount of autotune on that vocal than the hot mastering Mr. Katz used as an example? That autotune stuck out WAY more than the lack of dynamics did.
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Post by scumbum on Aug 22, 2013 9:34:04 GMT -6
I don't get it. LPs didn't have much dynamic range due to the way they work, even Bob Katz said so in the video. So why is he complaining about modern audio being "too loud" when they are essentially reducing the dynamic range of modern audio to be more like it was with LPs? I think the whole complaint is that people are distorting the audio to make it loud, not simply just making it loud. Also, was anyone else MORE offended by the crazy amount of autotune on that vocal than the hot mastering Mr. Katz used as an example? That autotune stuck out WAY more than the lack of dynamics did. Haha , yeah I heard the auto tune and the music sounded kinda out of time when it was going back into the chorus ? But it did sound WAY BETTER having that breakdown/volume drop at the bridge . I hate the Loudness wars . I don't buy any remasters . I bought the remaster of Nevermind off HD Tracks , 24bit/48K and its slammed . I love my original CD . All I buy is older used CD's off ebay because those are enjoyable to listen to . Like my old Metallica CD's , they sound great , you just gotta turn them up because they have tons of headroom . They came out in the mid 80's .
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 22, 2013 10:05:44 GMT -6
I don't get it. LPs didn't have much dynamic range due to the way they work, even Bob Katz said so in the video. So why is he complaining about modern audio being "too loud" when they are essentially reducing the dynamic range of modern audio to be more like it was with LPs? I think the whole complaint is that people are distorting the audio to make it loud, not simply just making it loud. Also, was anyone else MORE offended by the crazy amount of autotune on that vocal than the hot mastering Mr. Katz used as an example? That autotune stuck out WAY more than the lack of dynamics did. Hi svart, I speak for myself, I get excited by the potential for creativity that is available today, as like any art form or science, it should be an onward and upward evolution right? Yes the problem i have is with the intentional, and provably unappealing, dynamics destroying, artifact producing squarewave distortion. It is used as an advertising gimmick, like a commercial louder than the program your watching, in exchange for the integrity and sound quality of music? It should be illegal. Subjectively, if i don't like autotune, i can always shut it off, but when some pervasive sub par standard eats it's way like a cancer into the heart of EVERYTHING i love to do, you can't shut it off, you're expected to drink the Koolaide, and forced to participate in the circus? Well i aint dancing, I choose to fight it as much as i possibly can, and will help in anyway i can to change it. Artifact laden funhouse distortion intentionally injected into the beautiful potential that modern day recording offers, is worse than Ferrari painting their cars with tar, putting a boat sail on top of them, along with pinwheels and clown horns?? yeah it'll get attention, but it would stink, and wouldn't be any fun to drive, especially for someone who knows what it's like to drive a real Ferrari. JMO We would all benefit from a loudness standard.
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Post by lolo on Aug 22, 2013 10:10:08 GMT -6
"Set your sound card to 48Khz for best sound" Huh? Gustav Don't start with sample rate discussions
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 22, 2013 10:24:56 GMT -6
Don't start with sample rate discussions ehhh?? what's sampal rate??
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 22, 2013 13:34:10 GMT -6
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Post by scumbum on Aug 22, 2013 14:07:20 GMT -6
I take it Zager and Evans have a delorean time machine , because how the hell do they know all that stuff !
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 22, 2013 14:21:17 GMT -6
So...when I woke up, I noticed he was saying things were going to be better in 2020...how exactly? Seriously, I missed the reason why.
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Post by theshea on Feb 2, 2019 8:19:56 GMT -6
2020 approaching :-)
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2019 19:39:30 GMT -6
Wow...can't believe this place is that old.
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