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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:24:50 GMT -6
So guys,
Mind sharing what your strategy is for bussing in your mixes?
ex: Vocal/Guitar-Keys/Bass-Drums/Effects
Do you have a standard approach to processing on them?
Do you process your busses and leave the master clean?
If you process all, how do you approach it?
Thanks!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 13, 2013 21:37:16 GMT -6
Always a drum bus...Everything else just depends. I'll usually bus acoustics - maybe some processing on each mic, then compressed as a whole...If the keys are just stereo, I don't bother with a bus. Sometimes, I'll get three mics on a B3 and I'll bus it...EG's I usually just group because I'm usually effecting them differently. I've also been playing with parallel compression on the drumbus too. So, I will route the drumbus to another AUX post fader...
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Post by Ward on Aug 13, 2013 23:08:28 GMT -6
I've been giving a lot of thought to using more busses lately. I have friends who do almost nothing but mix who use as many as 24 busses in mixing. That means MULTIPLE drum basses, drum n bass busses, guitar busses, backing vocal busses, lead vocal busses, keyboard busses etc etc.
I like using a drum buss, like JK, but then I'm thinking maybe separate busses for guitars, keys and then drive all those busses into one super-buss for all the music, and have the vocals ride on top of that. The only thing about all of this bussing is it can be very time consuming.
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Post by lolo on Aug 14, 2013 3:07:48 GMT -6
I normally set up around 8 busses from the start. These go into a master buss, that goes into 2 buss(stereo out).
Those 8 busses are normally. Drums bus. Keys,strings and pads bus. Electric bus. Acoustic bus. Vocal bus en BV bus, maybe bass or just put bass with drums, and a fx bus.
On individual tracks I just put vcc and gain stage if needed, and maybe some corrective eq'ing. But if a individual track need extra processing i will compress or distort etc.....
Most of my processing happens on the buss's. only tracks that i normally treat a bit more is Lead Vocals.
The different busses gives alot more control as well. Esp on bigger projects. also help not to hit the 2 buss too hard.
Created a template for this, and it does sometimes change, depending on the song. This gives me a good starting point. Also alot lighter on cpu. And i'm getting better results. But I do try to get the tracking as good as possible.
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Post by gouge on Aug 14, 2013 6:25:22 GMT -6
the one thing that bugs me about multiple busses, (and tends to be an itb outcome because it's so easy to create multiple busses) is that I find it pushes the mix too forward.
yes it's most likely a technique thing, but every buss added pushes the gain up. eventually it feels to me like i'm fighting everything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 7:00:09 GMT -6
I normally set up around 8 busses from the start. These go into a master buss, that goes into 2 buss(stereo out). Those 8 busses are normally. Drums bus. Keys,strings and pads bus. Electric bus. Acoustic bus. Vocal bus en BV bus, maybe bass or just put bass with drums, and a fx bus. On individual tracks I just put vcc and gain stage if needed, and maybe some corrective eq'ing. But if a individual track need extra processing i will compress or distort etc..... Most of my processing happens on the buss's. only tracks that i normally treat a bit more is Lead Vocals. The different busses gives alot more control as well. Esp on bigger projects. also help not to hit the 2 buss too hard. Created a template for this, and it does sometimes change, depending on the song. This gives me a good starting point. Also alot lighter on cpu. And i'm getting better results. But I do try to get the tracking as good as possible. Interesting in how you lean more towards processing busses than tracks. Makes me think. |
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Post by lolo on Aug 14, 2013 7:37:35 GMT -6
Mainly eq on the tracks. Might also print Slate VTM on some individual tracks.
Also like the control it gives me.
Do however sometimes process lead vocals a bit more.
Not sure if its "right" but it works for me.
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Post by lolo on Aug 14, 2013 7:44:04 GMT -6
To do this recording well is pretty important.
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Post by svart on Aug 14, 2013 7:57:18 GMT -6
I generally bus drums together for parallel compression, bus distorted guitars together for a little compression. I'll do some ITB bussing of special effects(keys, pads, sounds, etc) so as not to waste console tracks. I might do some ITB bussing of backing vocals as to not waste console tracks.
I bus raw track streams together for guitar/vox/bass/drum busses going to the headphone system.
That's about all.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 14, 2013 9:14:18 GMT -6
this is a great thread! everyone seems to use them a little different, and i'm finding it very interesting to see how guys work. My use of busses in the past is nothing to speak of, very vanilla volume control of related in groups, not much more. Maybe the occasional eq/compressor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 15:33:14 GMT -6
Drums, Bass (mono buss, usually take DI, Sansamp and real amp during tracking), Rythm Guitars and a vocal bus.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 19, 2013 4:33:30 GMT -6
I very rarely use busses while mixing.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Aug 20, 2013 16:46:47 GMT -6
8 busses During mixdown.
1 & 2 Drums, L & R in the stereo mix...with a stereo compressor that works for the tune. (33609, EMI TG1234, ADL 670, Smart SC-2, or REQ L2M)
3 Bass Di & Amp, mono, up the middle in the stereo mix...with mono a compressor that works for the sound I'm after. (LA-2, LA-3, EMI TG1234)
4 Ld Vox, and maybe a double, mono up the middle in the stereo mix...again with a mono comp. (EMI TG1234, Daking 91579, EMI, ADL 670, etc)
5 & 6 Guitars, L & R in the stereo mix...(comp only used on the channel inserts before the buss, if there are Acoustic guitars, not usually needed on electrics!) On acoustics in this case, a LA-3, Requiste L2M, Joe Meek Sc-2, Langevin Opto,
7 & 8, Bk Vox, and or Keys...Again a comp used lightly on this buss, usually, a second SC-2, 1178, 33609,
Anything else gets sent to the stereo fader, and usually has any Comp/Eq on the individual channels before that.
On the stereo fader (MIX) I use either, the SSL 384, the Shadowhills Mastering comp, Manley Slam, or run the whole damn mix thru the DW Fearn VT-2 with the Line input attenuator and at that point I don't need a damn comp!
GO fiigure...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 6:02:56 GMT -6
Thanks for the detailed reply. I haven't seen too much about mono busses.
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Post by bluenoise on Sept 22, 2013 20:37:08 GMT -6
pretty much same as lolo here, but i also set up a few different vca faders to be able to make pre or post "buss insert" fader moves/automation...
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Post by popmann on Sept 22, 2013 21:31:11 GMT -6
Drums
Bass (mono)
"band"
Any auxiliary groups (percussion....horns....strings...huge bVox stacks)
I mean, I'll do mono sort of "functional" busses of multimic'd sources if someone sends me a 121+57 on an amp and I"m not just gonna trash the 57...I'll buss those together so I can deal with them as a cohesive sound. Same with top/bottom on the snare. I need for "snare" to be a fader...
So, I end up with a mixer view of those stereo busses (single fader) and all the leads and FX returns. So, left to right, that view ends up like:
Drums
Bass
Band
Horns
Bvox (group)
lead vocal
Lead Gtr
Sax
FX1- Room
FX2- PCM91
FX3- Tape Delay
FX4- GtrMultiFX
That's 12 faders of my 16 on the MCU. The last couple hours of a mix, I better not leave this view much, else something's wrong.
The implementation of mixer views and direct access to them is THE reason I own the MCUs. I actually have 24 faders, but I just keep the other 8 in a box as spare faders. Useless because I almost never have any logical grouping that goes over 16. Drums...I'll show every drum mic, plus any samples augmenting and any pertinent reverb returns. I mention that because I use them to correlate with actual audio grouping. Drums to to a stereo group AND area mixer view that puts the contents of that group (both audio and logical) onto the faders and screen. I had actually never seen any point in mixer views in Cubase prior to the MCU. But, it has an entire row of buttons that are fixed function to go directly to 8 or 10 mixer views...clever implementation.
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