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Post by drbill on Apr 10, 2016 16:51:40 GMT -6
The RMS 269 is a high end clone....so it was significantly cheaper than buying a 67. I kind of bought on a whim and I'm glad I did. It's definitely one of my favorite mics right now. rmsaudioworks.com/RMS269.phpI've used dozens of 67's over the years, and never a 269 so I was pretty curious. Many people I consider "in the know" like the 269 over a 67. They are VERY similar. I love the RMS version. Really awesome. Where do the Joly K47h fit? While not similar circuits, to my ears they live in the 67 universe. You still love em? Still use em? Haven't put them up against each other, but yeah, still like and use the K47H's on the 012 bodies. The RMS M269 has a bit more of that "tube sheen" on it though being as it's a tube mic. LOL A really nice mic.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 10, 2016 17:37:58 GMT -6
I'm liking the k47h on 012 also, sometimes beat my UMT70S when picking.
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Post by ioaudio on Apr 12, 2016 14:26:49 GMT -6
Sorry I wasn't aware that linking to another forum´(or the other forum) isn't welcome anymore. If it's ok, I'll repost the current info here, kits are now available: Guys, Thank you for your patience, finally, the new batch is ready: Shipping starts tomorrow. I'll contact those who are on my waiting list now. For those who haven't checked the whole thread(I can't edit the first post anymore), the initial version of the mod has been replaced with the Quick Change version with the mechanical rails and bottom bell included as pictured below. Here's the full set: TLM67/U87Ai Hardware plugin: 849,00 Euro + shipping and paypal fees Private EU costumers please note that 20% will be added to the total To purchase, pls send a email to ioaudio@gmx.net for a quote. Pls include the required amount, your name and adress, and your EU Vat number if you have any. -Max This is how the Quick Change version works: 1. unscrew the bottom ring to open the mic 2. carefully pull the body tube 3. while squeezing the handles on the rails, pull of the head basket For the included PF86, the tube selector must be turned to "PF86" If you change the tube to a EF86, switch the selector to "EF86" 4. squeeze the handles on the rails to insert the headbasket 5. silde on the body tube 6. screw on the bottom ring on the PSU check that the red mains selector is on 115 for the USA, 230 for EU plug in, turn on, wait a little for the tube to settle and enjoy your microphone!
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 12, 2016 14:35:05 GMT -6
Sweet !
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 12, 2016 14:47:11 GMT -6
Not other forums, just Ge*****tz.
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Post by winetree on Apr 12, 2016 14:57:26 GMT -6
$2 ,000 to $3,000 for a TML67 or U87 plus $1,000 for this kit. I could D.I.Y. 3 DU 67s for that price.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 12, 2016 17:47:19 GMT -6
$1450 to $1600 for a TLM 67. But apparently this kit isn't for you.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 12, 2016 19:12:53 GMT -6
Given my super positive experience with max's mk-u47 build, I think it only fair to comment on the quality of his work. If you have those same skills and want to invest your time in a diy build: great!
But if instead you want to invest in a quality build, max can punch your 67/87 ticket real good !
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Post by joseph on Apr 12, 2016 19:57:18 GMT -6
I really wish the conversion for vintage U87 could be revisited.
Since then you'd potentially have 2 great microphones (one still a universal standard and not a piece of shit).
It's nice to have a phantom powered option, the U87i that sounds good on practically everything. Also U87i owners would already know whether they have a good sounding capsule or not, and I'm skeptical of the U87ai and especially TLM67 standards. So you run the risk of getting an unknown capsule that cannot be properly assessed when attached to a shitty body, and a poorer final result once you have the mod.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 13, 2016 6:59:55 GMT -6
Why is the TLM67 so much less than a U87?
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Post by ericn on Apr 13, 2016 8:36:30 GMT -6
$2 ,000 to $3,000 for a TML67 or U87 plus $1,000 for this kit. I could D.I.Y. 3 DU 67s for that price. Yes but this is pretty much no assembly required. You get a 67 clone with a real k87 and a real Neumann body. While Chungers roots are DIY as a Vendor He has seen the larger Market and pain of supporting builders of all skill levels. Robert as a DIY guy I know where your coming from, but I also give Chunger credit. His part of this is a pretty good deal. Besides I keep seeing people who were disappointed with their TLM67 purchase, now if he could come up with a way to make all those TLM103s interesting!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 13, 2016 9:03:05 GMT -6
A vintage 87 doesn't have the same capsule as a 67.
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Post by Ward on Apr 13, 2016 9:34:31 GMT -6
A vintage 87 doesn't have the same capsule as a 67. FINALLY... I was waiting on someone who might shed some light on this most basic piece of information!! Thank you, Mr. Olhsson.
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Post by ericn on Apr 13, 2016 9:59:56 GMT -6
A vintage 87 doesn't have the same capsule as a 67. True, but the Modern K87 is the evolution, of the K67. Like an M7 you probably couldn't find the exact same materials used in an old K67, but unlike the M7 at least Neumann/Senn. is still building a pretty good modern version. The K87 is also the capsule most mic repair guys are going to put in a 67 if it needs a new capsule.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 13, 2016 10:38:11 GMT -6
The original 87, 84, 86, etc. used 48 volt capsule polarization while the later 87s used a 67 capsule with a DC to DC converter. I replaced the capsule in one of my 67s around 12 years ago and it still sounded just like the other two. In fact I don't even remember which one got replaced. I sent them the head assembly to clean or replace and they told me it was too far gone to just clean so they installed a new one. I don't remember the price but it was way less that the "name" indie techs wanted.
The 87 is the bread and butter crown jewel of Neumann's product line and probably the principal financial motivation for Sennheiser to acquire Neumann when they went bankrupt behind the end of vinyl. It is still widely used for announcers in broadcasting. It would be suicide for them to not keep building the capsules the very same way. It's gold sputtered Mylar so there's nothing exotic other than the hand tensioning process and they probably got the tension measurement method from the Neumann factory. Beyer wound up with the research lab in Berlin that they already half owned. It's not a coincidence that their LD condensers sound a lot like a Neumann.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 13, 2016 16:25:56 GMT -6
The Neumann U87 is by far the most ubiquitous mic in professional studios.
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Post by Ward on Apr 13, 2016 19:50:52 GMT -6
The Neumann U87 is by far the most ubiquitous mic in professional studios. Ands the more of them you have, the better your studio sounds to your clients' eyes.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 13, 2016 21:22:25 GMT -6
It's always nice when the eye candy is also ear candy!
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Post by jakeharris on Apr 13, 2016 22:13:27 GMT -6
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Post by joseph on Apr 14, 2016 6:50:18 GMT -6
A vintage 87 doesn't have the same capsule as a 67. Makes sense. If this was the issue, I wonder why he advertised the mod for the vintage u87 in the first place.
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Post by joseph on Apr 14, 2016 6:59:13 GMT -6
Btw I've yet to have a total throwaway take with a vintage 87, but like Bob says, I often hear bad sibilance/pop/balance issues on vocals or more pronounced placement or level issues on other instruments with expensive alternatives and inspired by clones. They're just more finicky.
So any time it's important that a performer strike while the iron is hot and not falter, I tend not to bother with another mic. The RE20 is similar in this regard.
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Post by Ward on Apr 14, 2016 7:27:19 GMT -6
Just as an aside... wasn't there a rapper named 'Fabolous' once upon a time?
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Post by drbill on Apr 14, 2016 10:24:57 GMT -6
A vintage 87 doesn't have the same capsule as a 67. Makes sense. If this was the issue, I wonder why he advertised the mod for the vintage u87 in the first place. He didn't. Myself and a few others kept bugging Max about doing it. He did, but it didn't meet his sonic expectations, so he decided not to offer it. Simple really.
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Post by joseph on Apr 14, 2016 15:19:36 GMT -6
Makes sense. If this was the issue, I wonder why he advertised the mod for the vintage u87 in the first place. He didn't. Myself and a few others kept bugging Max about doing it. He did, but it didn't meet his sonic expectations, so he decided not to offer it. Simple really. Not really, from first page on GS "I'll also have a special version for vintage U87(i) mics." That's called advertising. I totally understand why he decided not to offer it, that's why I said I wish the conversion could be revisited. Btw, if he hadn't jumped the gun with that statement, I would have gotten a TLM at the time instead of another purchase and gotten the mod. But thinking I already had a U87i for the mod, and having no idea whether the TLM67 gets lower rated capsules from Neumann than the U87ai, I got something else. Maybe I'm not the only one. Not that it matters in the scheme of things, but that's the business consequence. Anyway, would be interesting to see Klaus do a tear down analysis of the innards (e.g. tube and transformer) with reference to Neumann's proprietary techniques and component selection process, like he did with the official U47 FET reissue. Have you heard a modded TLM67?
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Post by joseph on Apr 14, 2016 15:22:04 GMT -6
repost
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