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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Mar 26, 2024 19:32:50 GMT -6
Yeah, I mentioned that it's about 1ft per millisecond already. I still find it interesting that some can say that 1ms is hard for them but then say that they can only use real amps because there is no latency, but the math would say that they routinely hear 5-10ms of latency in a room.. It does depend on what you're playing IME. Vocals have to be the worst for me because it's instantly resonating in my skull vs. the RT from all the devices back to the headphones. Drums are a clear second because you're never going to be 5 meters away from a kit and the snap vs. replay doesn't align, guitars? Hmm, acoustic is worse than distorted electric because on a lot of metal tracks it's not always easy to pick out what they're doing at the best of times on a finished product. Might as well be 50ms latency LOL..
It does depend for me on the level of interaction and in room response, for example a violin is going to be right up next to you so even a minimal delay is going to put me off. Although as to my previous point you can learn to adapt to an extent.
This is pretty much it. I think that drums in a orientational thing. If you play a lot of acoustic drums and jump on an electric kit it might throw you off as the sound comes from a different direction ie your headphones. So even at a very low latency you still hear it differently |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 26, 2024 19:52:14 GMT -6
Off topic. Ian McLagen did a weekly gig in Austin for years. We shared a publicist so I got to hang with him a few times. Maybe the single kindest musician I've ever met at any level. And very generous in sharing knowledge. That's really cool ❤️ My wife is an Austin native who actually grew up here, and she was fortunate enough to correspond with him off and on and say hey to him at local shows. We still have a signed copy of his autobiography, which I relayed the proceeding story from. She's also a mega Who fan and it was (and is) the most unreal thing to her to have one degree of separation from someone who spent so much time around them. I grew up in Ohio. At one point we had Clapton living quietly in Columbus, Peter Frampton living quietly in Indian Hill (a suburb near where I grew up in Cincinnati), and Dave Chappelle living very quietly in Yellow Springs. I think that was it 😂 "Ohio: A Good Place To Hide" |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 26, 2024 19:55:40 GMT -6
How do you guys go with live playing and standing 10 to 20 feet from your amp? I don't stand 20 feet from my amp. Or if I do, that would be absolute maximum. More like 10 feet at most if I can help it and ideally much closer. Also, I tend to play with delays and spatial effects and stuff on guitar. Reverb at a bare minimum. If I'm 20 feet away from my piano monitor though I can't stand it. Very weird. |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 28, 2024 2:15:04 GMT -6
What! How do you know how latency feels to someone else. I can and have passed a double blind ABX latency test. I can easily detect the difference between 1 and 2ms. How - a lifetime of playing real instruments. If someone else can't - that's more than fair enough - but I'm not going to have anyone tell what I can and cannot feel. Sorry if that sounds sniffy - it's not meant to - I'm just saying. So when you stand back from your amp about 5ft, you can detect the 5ms of latency? Sound in air travels around 1ft per millisecond.. The reason when I track guitar I mic the cab at 1” and listen back through my ATC’s in the control room - ala Tim Pierce. Zero latency. This isn’t about hearing, it’s about feel. Real instruments you play with your hands and of course your voice have zero latency - if electronics introduce latency above about 1ms it will effect the groove and pocket …. if you are sensitive enough to this low level of latency. I am. My band has all moved to using IEM’s. After the first rehearsal we all said - “wow that was tighter!” It seems removing the air between us did affect the way we groove together. ….. Oh the mess rock and roll has been all the years pre IEM’s (I kid) |
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Post by ontravelling on Mar 28, 2024 2:49:28 GMT -6
Yeah when I'm tracking myself it's 90% of the time acoustic guitar and vocals, where I find the latency most problematic.
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Post by vintagelove on Mar 30, 2024 14:40:10 GMT -6
About 3ms and my speed on guitar gets cut significantly. That's my main instrument and I spent a lifetime with real amps and instruments. On keyboards I can tolerate that. Fwiw, I can reliably hear 1ms timing difference in a blind test.
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