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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2014 12:00:36 GMT -6
I see there are a lot of Black Beauty clones out there. i might be in the hunt for a BB or clone if I can find a deal.
It seems that most of the various clones are all based on OEM chinese models from Worldmax and seem to get pretty good praise from those who have compared them.
Any more opinions on this? Any others I should look at?
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2014 18:58:41 GMT -6
Nevermind, I went to GC and checked out different snares. I felt that the ludwigs in general were just better than the PD Ace, the Big Black and another one. I ended up coming home and checking online and found a discontinued Ludwig Joey Kramer nickel over brass snare for 250$ on ebay, so that's on it's way now.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 7, 2014 19:18:24 GMT -6
i'm a huge fan of.... you guessed it, ludwig supraphonic 5" and 6.5", chrome over aluminum originals, there is nothing like them, i have a closet full of other snares that i just don't use. I use remo vintage emp's on the batter and amb's clear on the reso, also 42 strand snares, i HATE diecast hoops, as a matter of fact, i use 1.6mm hoops, they play and sound the best to me, i bend them with rimshots, and they wear out pretty quickly, but they have more to say, and sound killer, diecast doesn't move and sounds boring. It's like telling a blues guitar player he cant bend his strings lol I also use 1.6 on the rest of my kit for the same reasons.
As far as other snares, Dunnett makes really hi end snares, but to be honest, they don't have enough bad attitude for my taste, too pretty boy.
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 7, 2014 20:00:06 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of heavy ply brass snares. One of the best ones I've heard though was one a drummer brought in on a session that was copper over brass, damn that thing sounded good. Not a lot of ring and had some serious thwack to it too, equally had a really nice and full lowend punch. I think I remember seeing CC on the side of it, I know it was a custom snare, it wasn't a large manufacturer for sure.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 7, 2014 23:24:43 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of heavy ply brass snares. One of the best ones I've heard though was one a drummer brought in on a session that was copper over brass, damn that thing sounded good. Not a lot of ring and had some serious thwack to it too, equally had a really nice and full lowend punch. I think I remember seeing CC on the side of it, I know it was a custom snare, it wasn't a large manufacturer for sure. I've never heard of this? is it some sort of layered construction? quite curious. |
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 0:27:14 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of heavy ply brass snares. One of the best ones I've heard though was one a drummer brought in on a session that was copper over brass, damn that thing sounded good. Not a lot of ring and had some serious thwack to it too, equally had a really nice and full lowend punch. I think I remember seeing CC on the side of it, I know it was a custom snare, it wasn't a large manufacturer for sure. I've never heard of this? is it some sort of layered construction? quite curious. Yeah from what I understand and been told by players, it's just like wood, the brass can be layered and layered. I think BB's are like that too. I could be a total dumbass and just got it wrong from what I've been told, but I'm pretty positive on that. |
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Post by svart on Jul 8, 2014 6:54:10 GMT -6
No, there is no layering of metal. It's solid.
It's what they call "spun", which means that the shell is made by making a bowl shape, then cutting off the bottom and flattening the sides. This way there are no seams.
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Post by svart on Jul 8, 2014 7:06:29 GMT -6
I can't find any pictures of the spinning process (it's supposedly proprietary..) but I did find a picture of a guy making the 100th anniversary edition gold plated snares.. However, these have the traditional seamed shells. www.ludwig-drums.com/goldtriumphal/making.php |
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Post by Ward on Jul 8, 2014 8:29:06 GMT -6
I assume you already have a Ludwig Supraphonic™, the most recorded snare drum in history? No two drummers sound even remotely similar on that snare and it always sounds perfect. It give drummers their own 'voice'. More so than any other part of the kit.
a BB is a good second addition but not a principal snare. And you can find them used at bargain prices!!
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Post by junior on Jul 8, 2014 10:54:48 GMT -6
Love Supraphonics, but don't leave the Acrolite out of the party. Kind of like a slightly throatier Supra, IMO. I've got a 5", 8 lug from '67 and a new 6.5", 10 lug Limited Edition - love them both. In fact, the Limited Edition has become my main snare. Getting lots of compliments on it:  |
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Post by svart on Jul 8, 2014 11:29:44 GMT -6
I assume you already have a Ludwig Supraphonic™, the most recorded snare drum in history? No two drummers sound even remotely similar on that snare and it always sounds perfect. It give drummers their own 'voice'. More so than any other part of the kit. a BB is a good second addition but not a principal snare. And you can find them used at bargain prices!! I have an 70's acrolite, a pearl free-floating snare with hammered brass piccolo shell, birch piccolo, copper 6.5" and maple 6.5" shells. I also have a 13x7 homemade snare and a DDrum 14x5.5 maple. I had a yamaha nouveau 6.5 brass snare but I was a serious dumb ass and sold it. I was never really able to reproduce the sound it made with anything else. I really should have kept it. Funny thing is that I've always heard that the black beauty was the "most recorded snare".. I suppose it's probably all up for debate though. I would like a supraphonic with the aluminum shell, not the new "supraphonics" that are steel. We'll see. I really liked the sound of the BB on stuff I've recorded where the drummers had one. I've not been able to find a used BB for less than 500$.. not sure where you are finding these "bargain" prices.. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 8, 2014 11:38:22 GMT -6
my fav snare, surpa 6.5, it was so pitted and beat, i had it re chromed last year, and customized the lugs a bit.  |
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Post by svart on Jul 8, 2014 11:47:58 GMT -6
my fav snare, surpa 6.5, it was so pitted and beat, i had it re chromed last year, and customized the lugs a bit. Is that an aluminum one? They are selling some really deep 14x8" steel ones that I kinda dig, although I want an aluminum version. I love the way the acrolite sounds but it's just not deep enough so the tone is a little high. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 8, 2014 11:53:07 GMT -6
svart Yes, it's an original chrome over aluminum, super sensitive converted to standard strainer.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 8, 2014 11:56:28 GMT -6
my fav snare, surpa 6.5, it was so pitted and beat, i had it re chromed last year, and customized the lugs a bit. I want an aluminum version. the way to tell the diff between an original lm402 and reissue is, on the original the domed bead around the center of the shell touches the domed relief cut on the back of the lugs, on the re issue, there is a small gap. |
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 12:04:57 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of heavy ply brass snares. One of the best ones I've heard though was one a drummer brought in on a session that was copper over brass, damn that thing sounded good. Not a lot of ring and had some serious thwack to it too, equally had a really nice and full lowend punch. I think I remember seeing CC on the side of it, I know it was a custom snare, it wasn't a large manufacturer for sure. I've never heard of this? is it some sort of layered construction? quite curious. See... I told you I was a dumbass. I called the drummer that told me that and he meant it as a thickness gauge. So like in wood there are plys of thickness, I mis understood him when he said that he was playing a so and so ply brass snare. I took it as there were layers of that made it's thickness, but I guess he was just saying that to give an idea of how thick it was. He called it an 8 ply brass snare, so, me being a dumbass, took it as literal, and what's even funnier at my expense, there have been a many of drummer that I've remarked on just how much I liked the sound of the 8 and 10 ply brass snare's..... damn. Oh well, I get it now though, it's actually easier for me to think of it that way, I just wont say it again! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 8, 2014 12:09:58 GMT -6
I've never heard of this? is it some sort of layered construction? quite curious. See... I told you I was a dumbass. I called the drummer that told me that and he meant it as a thickness gauge. So like in wood there are plys of thickness, I mis understood him when he said that he was playing a so and so ply brass snare. I took it as there were layers of that made it's thickness, but I guess he was just saying that to give an idea of how thick it was. He called it an 8 ply brass snare, so, me being a dumbass, took it as literal, and what's even funnier at my expense, there have been a many of drummer that I've remarked on just how much I liked the sound of the 8 and 10 ply brass snare's..... damn. Oh well, I get it now though, it's actually easier for me to think of it that way, I just wont say it again! if he called it an "8 ply brass snare", you're not the one who should feel silly bromee 8) |
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 12:28:02 GMT -6
Well he's a pretty known session player, he probably uses that to convey the thickness of the metal. I want to say I've heard this from more than just one player too....
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 8, 2014 12:48:03 GMT -6
Well he's a pretty known session player, he probably uses that to convey the thickness of the metal. I want to say I've heard this from more than just one player too.... Well... they are drummers lol! i was just trying to let you off the hook there bro(not that you were on the hook, you just seemed a little embarrassed?), no offense intended in any direction 8) ooohhh this gives me a good idea, a thread of drummer jokes 8) see you there. |
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 13:09:15 GMT -6
Lol... that might get dirty and R rated, but more power to ya!  |
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Post by svart on Jul 9, 2014 9:17:50 GMT -6
Well, the seller refunded my money on the joey kramer snare because they were out of stock.
Interestingly enough, I went looking and found a Black Magic snare for even less money but it seems that they won't ship it out for a couple days. I guess I'm not using it on the drum tracks we are recording this weekend, which is what I really wanted it for.
I suppose i can't complain since I got it for less than 200$..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 14:57:23 GMT -6
You guys are all high. I recently had a vintage Black Beauty in here, it's not a bad drum and maybe it just wasn't the right drum for the song but my Pearl Piccolo is $100. I've always been curious about those Supras and Acrolites. I have a 1940s Leedy marching drum if anyone wants to do a trade.
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Post by Ward on Jul 10, 2014 22:15:58 GMT -6
I have a 1940s Leedy marching drum if anyone wants to do a trade. TRADE? You must be high!! The latest Supra I have I bought in 2012. It was a 1972 new in box, never opened, and I got it for $187.50 shipping etc all included. It is an astounding drum! I shall never ever part with it. Some guy had an old music store and had 25 of them new in box from 1972 that he was liquidating. If I had my time back, I would have bought 10 of them. I could have sold one to the next 9 drummers who used mine in the studio. I could have sold each one for at least $500. |
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Post by svart on Jul 11, 2014 9:12:17 GMT -6
You guys are killing me. I went looking at the supraphonics and now I'm dying for a LM402K.. The hammered version. It sounds astounding.
I do have an acrolite but it's never sounded as good as those I hear online. I dunno why.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 11, 2014 9:43:49 GMT -6
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