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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 0:34:16 GMT -6
Okay, so I deleted ALL my music off streaming sites etc... I am redoing ALL of it....and here is the first completed tune. I am using LUNA as my DAW... Now one caveat....atm LUNA can't do external hardware...so no Bricasti on this.. but it does use Liquidsonics version of the bricasti. The interface I am using is the Apollo 8x. I have an OCTO satellite...and a fair smattering of UA's plugs. I use the API Summing, 1084 EQ, ATR102 Tape, Studer A800, 1176AE, 176, etc. Two buss comp is SSLs ITB G buss 2. Drums are me playing my Roland TD17 e kit, into Superior Drummer 3 Hansa Live Room The electric guitar is UA's Dream pedal, with a Jam Pedals Pink Flow in front of it. Les Paul. The acoustic is Taylor 327 is Rode NTR into Seimens V72. Bass Fender Classic Vibe Jazz Bass UA Apollo HI- Z into Ampeg plug in. Vocal as always is my U87i into 1073 BAE DMP Claps and percussion are U87 into V72 back ground Vox are Rode NT1 into Apollo preamp then transposed an octave down with LUNA . I have so far retracked and remixed over 40 tunes. I really REALLY dig LUNA. Its by far the best sounding DAW I have used. I also have gelled with its workflow like a duck to water. Very happy camper. Would love some non rose coloured glasses feedback on the mix though...LOL... Please comment listening on your studio rig... I have no idea what I am going to do about releasing this stuff....going forward, but for now just head down bum up in the studio getting it all done. You can check out the tune here Troubadour ( A Tribute to JJ Cale) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2023 0:45:56 GMT -6
We’re waiting…
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2023 0:46:10 GMT -6
Scratch that. There it is.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2023 0:51:06 GMT -6
So I’m just listening on my iPhone, but that sounds pretty great as far as performance. I’ll pull it up in my studio tomorrow. That dream pedal sounds awesome. And really like the tune. Kindve wish it was longer with a guitar solo (let’s hear that trem). You should pitch that for sync placement.
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 0:54:54 GMT -6
So I’m just listening on my iPhone, but that sounds pretty great as far as performance. I’ll pull it up in my studio tomorrow. That dream pedal sounds awesome. And really like the tune. Kindve wish it was longer with a guitar solo (let’s hear that trem). You should pitch that for sync placement. Thanks for checking it out, love to hear your thoughts on the studio rig. Anything I have that has a real place name, or person etc gets bounced straight back to me for sync placements ..... man, pitching for syncs is sure humbling...LOL... cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2023 1:08:49 GMT -6
So I’m just listening on my iPhone, but that sounds pretty great as far as performance. I’ll pull it up in my studio tomorrow. That dream pedal sounds awesome. And really like the tune. Kindve wish it was longer with a guitar solo (let’s hear that trem). You should pitch that for sync placement. Thanks for checking it out, love to hear your thoughts on the studio rig. Anything I have that has a real place name, or person etc gets bounced straight back to me for sync placements ..... man, pitching for syncs is sure humbling...LOL... cheers Wiz Not sure I understand - they won’t accept something if it has a real person’s name or a place in it? Never heard of that…but I haven’t really tried the whole sync thing. If they dug something but that was the only reason, I’d change that shit in a hot second. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 30, 2023 1:28:10 GMT -6
Dang Peter, I hate to say it, but the entire vibe here is better than the way the other tracks felt. It feels more alive and real. The drums sound more natural, and the vocal has a different presence, more vital, which draws attention.
I can't migrate to Luna because I do tons of editing when I'm mixing someone's tracks. If Luna ever gets the editing software up to par with Logic, I'd give it a go.
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Post by reddirt on Jan 30, 2023 2:09:41 GMT -6
Like it a lot wiz; great mix. Sounds, especially the slide are right where they need to be with a lovely relaxed swing overall. I'm in Jk's camp here - a slide solo with a slow fade is begging to be played.
Nothing to question - I'd be proud of that.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 30, 2023 6:07:04 GMT -6
40+ mixes without your Bricasti? Is it going up on the chopping block? And what’s the hold up with HW inserts in Luna? Seems like an intentional decision rather than something they just can’t figure out how to do.
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Post by ericn on Jan 30, 2023 6:51:19 GMT -6
Wiz goes Taylor Swift, and I like it ! It just works!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2023 10:15:49 GMT -6
40+ mixes without your Bricasti? Is it going up on the chopping block? And what’s the hold up with HW inserts in Luna? Seems like an intentional decision rather than something they just can’t figure out how to do. Yeah - have you found the juice isn’t worth the squeeze with the bricasti? |
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Post by ragan on Jan 30, 2023 10:17:25 GMT -6
wiz could you post the old mix too? It would be cool to compare
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2023 10:33:16 GMT -6
40+ mixes without your Bricasti? Is it going up on the chopping block? And what’s the hold up with HW inserts in Luna? Seems like an intentional decision rather than something they just can’t figure out how to do. Got a feeling NAMM will be a big deal for ua, maybe a new apollo, different processing options, vst3?, new luna features etc.. Watch this space. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2023 11:09:20 GMT -6
40+ mixes without your Bricasti? Is it going up on the chopping block? And what’s the hold up with HW inserts in Luna? Seems like an intentional decision rather than something they just can’t figure out how to do. Got a feeling NAMM will be a big deal for ua, maybe a new apollo, different processing options, vst3?, new luna features etc.. Watch this space. Yeah. They’ve been pretty quiet. More shit for me to buy I guess. When is Namm? Edit: oh wow. April. That’s a long wait. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2023 15:18:49 GMT -6
40+ mixes without your Bricasti? Is it going up on the chopping block? And what’s the hold up with HW inserts in Luna? Seems like an intentional decision rather than something they just can’t figure out how to do. Got a feeling NAMM will be a big deal for ua, maybe a new apollo, different processing options, vst3?, new luna features etc.. Watch this space. Agreed. Who knows what we'll see, but new ARM based Apollos, upgrades to Luna, native/DSP plugin switching, changes to Spark purchasing options, etc. are all good guesses. Drew at UA has already alluded to some new things coming soon, and it had the tone of being new things of a consequential nature. NAMM seems to be the obvious spot where these things will be revealed, given the context clues Drew has provided. I'm kind of excited to see what they reveal. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2023 15:27:48 GMT -6
I’ve half a mind to sell my octo and plug ins now and see what happens.
UA’s letting newbs buy Ultimate 11 (114 plug ins), for only $1200, and expecting heavily invested clients to also pay, another $1200 to top up to 114, really left a bad taste in my mouth.
Feel like years of trying to ua shop prudently was turned into a joke.
With plugs going native and screaming m2 macs available, why have a satellite ?
I think UA’s brave new world order, will be much in evidence at NAMM.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 30, 2023 15:36:13 GMT -6
I was thinking along those lines too, but now that I have the Black Lion Audio mod, and no spending money, I guess I'll have to say where I am for now.
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2023 15:43:29 GMT -6
I’ve half a mind to sell my octo and plug ins now and see what happens. I wouldn't. You won't get much for those plugins. I view plugins as sunk cost, with rare exception. Plugins are basically consumables, as far as I'm concerned. Who knows what UAD plugins will or won't ultimately come to Spark. I think it's likely that none or mostly none of the 3rd party created plugins by Softube, Brainworx, etc. will ever come to Spark for licensing reasons. So there's that too. Either way, at the rate UA is going, it's going to take years for them to finish porting things over to UADx. So if you have plugins you're using and need now, I wouldn't just get rid of them for spite. UA has, at times, made me mad too, but what're you gonna do? The DSP plugins are here to stay, as they're essential to the tracking functionality of Luna. So I don't see Spark as a "the sky is falling" situation for DSP plugins. If it were me, I'd be sitting tight until after NAMM before making any moves. It seems like a gamble to sell all of it now. Maybe you'd come out ahead. Maybe you wouldn't. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2023 15:47:23 GMT -6
Its unlikely a new apollo will sound more linear and have better s/n ratios than yours.
Your plug ins will continue to run fine.
The new apollo, if it drops, would more appeal to new clients, those with gen 1-2 apollos or if the arm, native thing is really implemented those without significant other sharc dsp.
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2023 15:57:56 GMT -6
Its unlikely a new apollo will sound more linear and have better s/n ratios than yours. Your plug ins will continue to run fine. The new apollo, if it drops, would more appeal to new clients, those with gen 1-2 apollos or if the arm, native thing is really implemented those without significant other sharc dsp. Yeah, I'm definitely interested to see if an ARM based Apollos becomes a reality, but I don't see it being something that will significantly push me to upgrade from my X series Apollo, unless it offers some serious new degree of functionality over what I already have. I certainly think my x16 sounds just fine, and don't see a need to upgrade for sonic reasons. With UAD native now becoming a reality, I don't know how much more DSP power one needs in an Apollo if you're essentially only going to use DSP for those tracks that are armed for tracking. So, even with ARM based DSP, if that becomes a reality, I still see that as likely being a mostly lateral move in power. ARM really just mostly provides UA a path to move forward from Sharcs as things change into the future. ARM also allows UA to basically code for native and DSP all at the same time instead of having to create one code for DSP and one code for native, at least as I understand it, which would be a huge savings on labor resources and support. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2023 16:34:15 GMT -6
Just listened in my studio...sounds great. Are all your snare hits the same velocity? That's the only thing I'd suggest - maybe vary them a bit so it sounds more like a human screwing things up.
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 17:23:47 GMT -6
Dang Peter, I hate to say it, but the entire vibe here is better than the way the other tracks felt. It feels more alive and real. The drums sound more natural, and the vocal has a different presence, more vital, which draws attention. I can't migrate to Luna because I do tons of editing when I'm mixing someone's tracks. If Luna ever gets the editing software up to par with Logic, I'd give it a go. Thanks for checking it out Martin. I find the editing in LUNA not really different to Logic in its usefulness, talking about audio, midi is way behind...my midi requirements are mostly drums, which is handled in Superior Drummer 3's fantastic groove editor... basically the only other midi I do is basic keys, which I can do in LUNA...anything more complex I would jump back into LOGIC for. thanks again Cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 17:24:34 GMT -6
Like it a lot wiz; great mix. Sounds, especially the slide are right where they need to be with a lovely relaxed swing overall. I'm in Jk's camp here - a slide solo with a slow fade is begging to be played. Nothing to question - I'd be proud of that. Cheers, Ross Thanks so much for commenting Ross. Might edit up a longer version and see if I can come up with something. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 17:28:23 GMT -6
40+ mixes without your Bricasti? Is it going up on the chopping block? And what’s the hold up with HW inserts in Luna? Seems like an intentional decision rather than something they just can’t figure out how to do. I probably should expand on that comment..... I bought Liquid Sonics Bricastic plug in , as a stop gap, got it during Black Friday so it wasn't too painful. It also allows me to keep going redoing the entire catalogue. It sounds really good. I am just going to keep on working on all the tunes... and leave the Bricasti switched off... I will make a decision later on which way to go. I love the Bricasti, and I could never afford another one ( I got mine when they were 3600 AUD, now 6500AUD). I guess LUNA developers have a lot on their plate, and Hardware Inserts aren't at the top of the list. As I said, its not a show stopper for me as I have so much work in front of me before its really a big decision. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 17:28:58 GMT -6
Wiz goes Taylor Swift, and I like it ! It just works! Taylor Swift? 8) Thanks for checking it out Waffle House Bro!!! cheers Wiz |
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