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Post by seawell on Feb 20, 2022 3:59:01 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 20, 2022 10:52:38 GMT -6
That's a beautifully done shootout. I still preferred the 87Ai, and my second choice was still the vintage 87. I agree about the value of the other mics though. Every one was good and useable. I'm looking forward to hearing the Stam 87 now. I'd sure like to know how it compares. My SA 67 is a monster, so I expect no less from Stam on their 87.
But if I was a studio owner, I wouldn't hesitate to find a good priced used 87Ai . As a solo artist, I would make other choices. My Soyuz 0-19 does everything the Neumann 87 does and more.
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Post by mike on Feb 20, 2022 11:55:28 GMT -6
Thanks for the extra 2 song comparisons in the youtube video which gave me a larger context to draw from, and my order changed a little in that I preferred the Vintage 87 first overall, and a close next for me was a split between Serrano/Warm liking the mid & top of the serrano, along with the bottom weight and clarity of the warm.
I agree that it's a really well done shootout, and that they all will work but that it's hard to justify the cost of a vintage 87 for what a Warm, Serrano, BN does in general. Having said that though, when you find a mic and voice that's a perfect match with something special to it, is when it's time to open the wallet I think. Wiz's vintage 87 really likes his voice and is a good example of that to my ears.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 20, 2022 14:54:37 GMT -6
Only listened through AirPod Pros, but I thought the Warm was the vintage one, but liked C second best. I think. The Serrano sounded great too.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 20, 2022 16:07:14 GMT -6
Maybe Carlos could brew-ahem- tune a "Newcastle" 87 for you? Extra Dark. Might cure what Ales us! Chris
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Post by chessparov on Feb 20, 2022 16:22:33 GMT -6
Well this thread does raise the question if a microphone in a shootout doesn't sound like the original, no matter how likeable the sound, is it a good clone? The Soundelux U195 (now UA's 187) IMHO... Isn't a clone, but an excellent "inspired by". Chris
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Post by seawell on Feb 20, 2022 16:39:37 GMT -6
That's a beautifully done shootout. I still preferred the 87Ai, and my second choice was still the vintage 87. I agree about the value of the other mics though. Every one was good and useable. I'm looking forward to hearing the Stam 87 now. I'd sure like to know how it compares. My SA 67 is a monster, so I expect no less from Stam on their 87. But if I was a studio owner, I wouldn't hesitate to find a good priced used 87Ai . As a solo artist, I would make other choices. My Soyuz 0-19 does everything the Neumann 87 does and more. Thank you Martin. I really appreciate that! I am in talks with Joshua and can't wait to hear what the new Stam 87 sounds like. I'd love to hear the Stam 67 sometime too. 67 style mics are my favorite for my voice overall.
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Post by seawell on Feb 20, 2022 16:43:08 GMT -6
Thanks for the extra 2 song comparisons in the youtube video which gave me a larger context to draw from, and my order changed a little in that I preferred the Vintage 87 first overall, and a close next for me was a split between Serrano/Warm liking the mid & top of the serrano, along with the bottom weight and clarity of the warm.
I agree that it's a really well done shootout, and that they all will work but that it's hard to justify the cost of a vintage 87 for what a Warm, Serrano, BN does in general. Having said that though, when you find a mic and voice that's a perfect match with something special to it, is when it's time to open the wallet I think. Wiz's vintage 87 really likes his voice and is a good example of that to my ears. I'm glad the other 2 songs added some further clarity for you! If money were no object, I'd have a pair of the vintage 87s. I sure am glad we have such affordable options now though! Saving money on the 87 will just allow me to blow it on something even more expensive like a vintage 67 or 47 eventually 😂
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Post by wiz on Feb 20, 2022 18:40:04 GMT -6
Thanks for the extra 2 song comparisons in the youtube video which gave me a larger context to draw from, and my order changed a little in that I preferred the Vintage 87 first overall, and a close next for me was a split between Serrano/Warm liking the mid & top of the serrano, along with the bottom weight and clarity of the warm.
I agree that it's a really well done shootout, and that they all will work but that it's hard to justify the cost of a vintage 87 for what a Warm, Serrano, BN does in general. Having said that though, when you find a mic and voice that's a perfect match with something special to it, is when it's time to open the wallet I think. Wiz's vintage 87 really likes his voice and is a good example of that to my ears. Yeah, I love my 1978 U87i.... this thread made me look at the sale prices of u87i microphones on eBay... I searched on the Oz site, which also displays Japan, and they are asking just shy of 7K Oz... !!!! egads.... cheers Wiz
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 21, 2022 15:06:28 GMT -6
I finally got to watch the 2nd video and have decided Serrano needs to make a 67.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 21, 2022 15:16:17 GMT -6
I am certainly getting a Serrano sometime. @the other mark williams sold me on it when he posted his tracks using it. Well actually, I am talking my lead singer into getting it. It hasn’t been hard. Hey man, I've got the Serrano. You're welcome to borrow it sometime to try it out.
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Post by seawell on Feb 21, 2022 15:42:18 GMT -6
I finally got to watch the 2nd video and have decided Serrano needs to make a 67. Yes!
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 21, 2022 16:52:12 GMT -6
I am certainly getting a Serrano sometime. @the other mark williams sold me on it when he posted his tracks using it. Well actually, I am talking my lead singer into getting it. It hasn’t been hard. Hey man, I've got the Serrano. You're welcome to borrow it sometime to try it out. I’ll swap you something of mine for you to try if you want. I would love to compare the serrano to my UM 70 as an “all rounder”.
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 21, 2022 17:29:38 GMT -6
I finally got to watch the 2nd video and have decided Serrano needs to make a 67. paging cserranoI couldn't agree more, Vincent R.!
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Post by bossanova on Feb 21, 2022 18:10:51 GMT -6
It’s a very Lo-fi solution by gear standards, but using the IK Mic Room to convolve/deconvolve the Serrano (or any reasonably accurate 87 type mic) using the 87-> 67 profiles yields a very nice sound that darkens the top and adds some weight. It’s a shame that, by all appearances, it didn’t sell well enough for them to justify developing the plug-in further.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 21, 2022 18:51:08 GMT -6
It’s a very Lo-fi solution by gear standards, but using the IK Mic Room to convolve/deconvolve the Serrano (or any reasonably accurate 87 type mic) using the 87-> 67 profiles yields a very nice sound that darkens the top and adds some weight. It’s a shame that, by all appearances, it didn’t sell well enough for them to justify developing the plug-in further. I did that all the time before I got the modded MK U67. Actually the TLM170 emulation on that is nice too.
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 21, 2022 21:34:23 GMT -6
It’s a very Lo-fi solution by gear standards, but using the IK Mic Room to convolve/deconvolve the Serrano (or any reasonably accurate 87 type mic) using the 87-> 67 profiles yields a very nice sound that darkens the top and adds some weight. It’s a shame that, by all appearances, it didn’t sell well enough for them to justify developing the plug-in further. The IK plugin can produce some really interesting sounds for sure. I use it (and Sphere) all the time to make shitty recordings a little more bearable. And I agree — the 87/67 models in Mic Room are some of the best of the bunch.
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Post by christopher on Feb 27, 2022 15:30:47 GMT -6
Did a couple more blind tests with EQ and it’s matching my results from last week. The warm drops fast once EQ is applied, something wrong jumps out, so that was surprising. Sounds good flat though. The rest work fine. The BeesNeez and Serrano are solid choices, the AI can be totally amazing with EQ but isn’t as easy to dial, the vintage towers on lows, but sometimes I prefer the ai and Serrano highs better. As for sweetest most balanced and musical, the vintage and Serrano battle each other closely, more confirmation the Serrano is a great choice.
Just my opinion.. thanks for the shootout!
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Post by seawell on Feb 27, 2022 18:56:22 GMT -6
Did a couple more blind tests with EQ and it’s matching my results from last week. The warm drops fast once EQ is applied, something wrong jumps out, so that was surprising. Sounds good flat though. The rest work fine. The BeesNeez and Serrano are solid choices, the AI can be totally amazing with EQ but isn’t as easy to dial, the vintage towers on lows, but sometimes I prefer the ai and Serrano highs better. As for sweetest most balanced and musical, the vintage and Serrano battle each other closely, more confirmation the Serrano is a great choice. Just my opinion.. thanks for the shootout! Thanks for doing this! I messed around with how each responded to a few of my compressors but didn’t do that with EQ yet.
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Post by deehope on Mar 1, 2022 14:29:10 GMT -6
fantastic shootout. i know this is a 87 shootout but is there anyone with hands on experience with the warm 67? Id love to know where it sits compared to these.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 1, 2022 15:26:43 GMT -6
fantastic shootout. i know this is a 87 shootout but is there anyone with hands on experience with the warm 67? Id love to know where it sits compared to these. i think teejay has one, maybe?
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Post by teejay on Mar 1, 2022 16:32:54 GMT -6
fantastic shootout. i know this is a 87 shootout but is there anyone with hands on experience with the warm 67? Id love to know where it sits compared to these. i think teejay has one, maybe? I do. (Good memory, the other mark williams .) *Asterisk: It has a Neumann capsule. With that in mind deehope , I recently had a friend over who brought his U87Ai for me to try out. Happy to record the same song through the same pre with my Warm 67 and post clips of both if you want to hear them. Would need to know if you want to hear the stock EH tube or my NOS Amperex. Also, you may have already seen this review, but it is one of the reasons I decided to purchase.
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Post by deehope on Mar 1, 2022 17:25:31 GMT -6
This is would be awesome. Any other mods done to your wa67? i think teejay has one, maybe? I do. (Good memory, the other mark williams .) *Asterisk: It has a Neumann capsule. With that in mind deehope , I recently had a friend over who brought his U87Ai for me to try out. Happy to record the same song through the same pre with my Warm 67 and post clips of both if you want to hear them. Would need to know if you want to hear the stock EH tube or my NOS Amperex. Also, you may have already seen this review, but it is one of the reasons I decided to purchase.
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Post by teejay on Mar 1, 2022 19:05:18 GMT -6
This is would be awesome. Any other mods done to your wa67? I do. (Good memory, the other mark williams .) *Asterisk: It has a Neumann capsule. With that in mind deehope , I recently had a friend over who brought his U87Ai for me to try out. Happy to record the same song through the same pre with my Warm 67 and post clips of both if you want to hear them. Would need to know if you want to hear the stock EH tube or my NOS Amperex. Also, you may have already seen this review, but it is one of the reasons I decided to purchase. Nope. Happy to answer any other questions, but why don’t we take it to messaging. I want to be respectful that this is Seawell’s 87 thread.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Mar 1, 2022 23:02:16 GMT -6
The "Hallelujah" shootout has some very soft playing and singing and the differences, though observable, are less prominent. The "Jackson" and "Very Good Advice" samples with more energy start to reveal the deficiencies in the copy mics. They are much more sibilant and harsh.
I too am of the opinion that addressing a vocal with some mics hanging upside down and others right-side up results in different timbres. That opens up more questions about how the mics tones relate to each other. And he's right that artists respond differently to mics.
I also agree with him regarding budget. I remember the days when I had to make payments for a year on a Rode K2 - if you don't have the money, you don't have the money. However, Neumann mics are always better investments when you consider resale value.
(But c'mon! Let's just be honest. That vintage U87 absolutely ruins the rest of em! Lemme know when you're ready to sell it, seawell!)
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