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Post by craigmorris74 on Jan 24, 2022 9:53:14 GMT -6
As bricejchandler stated, it's commonplace to pair an Opto with a 76. The Opto rides the waves, the 76 levels the peaks. in the end, you can control how much compression you hear and the tonal changes and have very controlled audio program material! There have been 40 years of massive filter improvements over the past to do the peak limiting and the leveling at the same time. Less IMD, grit, and mouth noises People are just stuck in the 70s. Then the clown ahem clone gear can’t even get the filters right. Filters? As far as I know, the only filters in an 1176 are in the power supply. Also, in my experience, the only thing that makes a modern version sound different than an origianal is the input transfomer (if you truly replicate the rest of the circuit). The O12 input transformer in the originals performs measurable worse than almost any modern replacement, but that's part of its charm.
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 24, 2022 10:44:55 GMT -6
Just traded a drum kit for a third V610, sent it off to Bill @ Spectra for a tune up. Bill restored mine that was untouched from the 70’s. amazing job. the meter bezel was totally lunched and wouldn’t pass light. so I always used it as a box of sound. Get the peak light blinking turn the slope use the ears. Couldn’t see the meter. great distortion on snare. Post repair and now that it has a meter, Bill actually explained to me how the damn thing works. Sweet Jesus the peak limiter is a whole other dimension. its capable of so much more then how I had been happily using it for the last 30yrs. old dog new tricks
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 24, 2022 10:49:37 GMT -6
Also, in my experience, the only thing that makes a modern version sound different than an origianal is the input transfomer (if you truly replicate the rest of the circuit). The O12 input transformer in the originals performs measurable worse than almost any modern replacement, but that's part of its charm. Exactly measures worse but sounds like an 1176. I have a bunch of the OG transformers. put those in your Purples or Mohogs and they sounds way more like an old 1176.
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Post by Ward on Jan 24, 2022 11:37:46 GMT -6
As bricejchandler stated, it's commonplace to pair an Opto with a 76. The Opto rides the waves, the 76 levels the peaks. in the end, you can control how much compression you hear and the tonal changes and have very controlled audio program material! There have been 40 years of massive filter improvements over the past to do the peak limiting and the leveling at the same time. Less IMD, grit, and mouth noises People are just stuck in the 70s. Then the clown ahem clone gear can’t even get the filters right. shots fired.
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Post by Ward on Jan 24, 2022 11:39:51 GMT -6
Filters? As far as I know, the only filters in an 1176 are in the power supply. Return fire!
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Post by superwack on Jan 24, 2022 11:45:44 GMT -6
I know people have mentioned the Buzz SOC, just wanted to point out the Buzz 500 series opto comp - the ESSENCE also has a 1ms attack and is a great sounding compressor
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Post by Ward on Jan 24, 2022 11:49:00 GMT -6
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Post by plinker on Jan 24, 2022 12:35:17 GMT -6
Shots fired! . . . Return fire!
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 24, 2022 14:31:55 GMT -6
As bricejchandler stated, it's commonplace to pair an Opto with a 76. The Opto rides the waves, the 76 levels the peaks. in the end, you can control how much compression you hear and the tonal changes and have very controlled audio program material! There have been 40 years of massive filter improvements over the past to do the peak limiting and the leveling at the same time. Less IMD, grit, and mouth noises People are just stuck in the 70s. Then the clown ahem clone gear can’t even get the filters right. Shots fired small caliber wide to the right and short
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Post by ericn on Jan 24, 2022 16:56:52 GMT -6
There have been 40 years of massive filter improvements over the past to do the peak limiting and the leveling at the same time. Less IMD, grit, and mouth noises People are just stuck in the 70s. Then the clown ahem clone gear can’t even get the filters right. Shots fired small caliber wide to the right and short Yeah but Rob your Spectra 610’s are a quicker version of the iron dome, ain’t nothing getting through 😊
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Post by jaba on Jan 24, 2022 18:30:30 GMT -6
Always loved 1176/3A combo. There are other combos...?
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Post by ab101 on Jan 24, 2022 18:42:36 GMT -6
I know people have mentioned the Buzz SOC, just wanted to point out the Buzz 500 series opto comp - the ESSENCE also has a 1ms attack and is a great sounding compressor Yes. And the APA Leviathan is at 2ms and is a wonderful one 500 series space with a lot of features. Hard to beat the Essence though. And the SOC's and Velox optos are all great a 1 ms fastest attack time. Frankly, I do not like fast attacks on optos anyway. I would go with Serpent Splices or something else for that.
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Post by michaelcleary on Jan 24, 2022 19:00:12 GMT -6
Lots of props in here for the 1176/LA2A combo and I have never really done that until recently, but now its my go to chain. My Cranesong trakker is jealous....
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Post by Ward on Jan 24, 2022 19:24:23 GMT -6
Lots of props in here for the 1176/LA2A combo and I have never really done that until recently, but now its my go to chain. My Cranesong trakker is jealous.... It just works. And the alternate of a solid Gates STA-LEVEL MU like the V-Comp or Retro, combined with a 76 is also gold. The opto is the butter, the V-Comp is the syrup. MmmMmmMmmm good And it's real easy for people to criticize and say it's all 70s. Fletcher laughed at me for going back to 76Fs for snares. LOL . . . and I understand, but the sure-fire standards became standards for a reason!
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Post by ericn on Jan 24, 2022 20:34:11 GMT -6
Lots of props in here for the 1176/LA2A combo and I have never really done that until recently, but now its my go to chain. My Cranesong trakker is jealous.... It just works. And the alternate of a solid Gates STA-LEVEL MU like the V-Comp or Retro, combined with a 76 is also gold. The opto is the butter, the V-Comp is the syrup. MmmMmmMmmm good And it's real easy for people to criticize and say it's all 70s. Fletcher laughed at me for going back to 76Fs for snares. LOL . . . and I understand, but the sure-fire standards became standards for a reason! There is also the fact that in the 80’s you were not a real studio without 2 La2’s and 2 1176’s.
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Post by craigmorris74 on Jan 24, 2022 20:34:23 GMT -6
Lots of props in here for the 1176/LA2A combo and I have never really done that until recently, but now its my go to chain. My Cranesong trakker is jealous.... It just works. And the alternate of a solid Gates STA-LEVEL MU like the V-Comp or Retro, combined with a 76 is also gold. The opto is the butter, the V-Comp is the syrup. MmmMmmMmmm good And it's real easy for people to criticize and say it's all 70s. Fletcher laughed at me for going back to 76Fs for snares. LOL . . . and I understand, but the sure-fire standards became standards for a reason! If you set your Spectra 610 just right, it can replace the 76 in a slow compressor/fast limiter chain in a cleaner way, but I always preferred the 610's when they were getting nasty. Recenty, I racked a couple of SS 101 cards just to torture drums with them and that proved to be the thing I dug about the 610 comp (610's have a 601 compressor card and a 101 amp card.)
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 26, 2022 9:51:20 GMT -6
This thread inspired me to try chaining my FMR PBC in front of the AS Opto on a vocal. Sounded great. And here I was thinking there was no way the AS Opto could ever sound better!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 13:00:12 GMT -6
There is also the fact that in the 80’s you were not a real studio without 2 La2’s and 2 1176’s. It's good to know that I'm a real studio, not just someone in a room with stuff..
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Post by chessparov on Jan 26, 2022 20:35:53 GMT -6
Along with that there are creative geniuses like Kevin Parker/Tame Impala experimenting, with non conventional gear on their records. Room for both at the Table. Chris
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Post by Ward on Jan 27, 2022 7:42:41 GMT -6
There is also the fact that in the 80’s you were not a real studio without 2 La2’s and 2 1176’s. It's good to know that I'm a real studio, not just someone in a room with stuff.. Isn't that still the rule? LOL
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