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Post by aremos on Jan 12, 2022 17:34:38 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 17:55:09 GMT -6
Actually sounds pretty good.. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 13, 2022 4:33:17 GMT -6
just one comment about sd3 , it sure ain't cheap, was just looking at a variety of purchases/packages, if going back in, I know way cheaper than real drums or studio time, but I was quickly up to $7-1000 use, I know the price of admission, but that gave me pause.
guess I am spoiled with logic producer + drums, simply included in each free update . I do think sd3 has the sonic edge but,
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Post by notneeson on Jan 13, 2022 9:31:55 GMT -6
just one comment about sd3 , it sure ain't cheap, was just looking at a variety of purchases/packages, if going back in, I know way cheaper than real drums or studio time, but I was quickly up to $7-1000 use, I know the price of admission, but that gave me pause. guess I am spoiled with logic producer + drums, simply included in each free update . I do think sd3 has the sonic edge but, That’s a fair point. I basically never pay that much for software if I can help it. It’s the inspiration factor that makes it worth it to me. Plus Tracker made a few home recorded client projects soooo much easier to mix that it paid for itself quite quickly. |
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Post by Guitar on Jan 13, 2022 11:04:59 GMT -6
just one comment about sd3 , it sure ain't cheap, was just looking at a variety of purchases/packages, if going back in, I know way cheaper than real drums or studio time, but I was quickly up to $7-1000 use, I know the price of admission, but that gave me pause. guess I am spoiled with logic producer + drums, simply included in each free update . I do think sd3 has the sonic edge but, That’s a fair point. I basically never pay that much for software if I can help it. It’s the inspiration factor that makes it worth it to me. Plus Tracker made a few home recorded client projects soooo much easier to mix that it paid for itself quite quickly. Tracker saved my ass on this punk thing I've been mixing for the past 5-6 months. Made it so you can actually hear a snare drum in the mix. Yes this is a very expensive software! Somehow, I don't understand, but it seems worth it. I guess because drums are so important. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 13, 2022 11:15:57 GMT -6
With something like SD3 or Keyscape, to me, I am literally, functionally replacing thousands of dollars in instruments and hundreds of hours in time (which I don’t have), so a few hundred bucks is well worth it.
Since I’m a drummer, I should also count the V Drums, which aren’t cheap, but still a fraction of what I’d be paying to get these tracks by traditional means.
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Post by ml on Jan 13, 2022 11:42:29 GMT -6
EZ Drummer 2 or Stylus RMX for basic grooves / ideas. Then replace midi with samples from my own library. I also have superior drummer 2 and SSD 4 but I hardly ever use them. Battery is pretty good for using your own samples, but lately I prefer reapers media browser and sampler.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 13, 2022 13:19:01 GMT -6
I was just saying sd3 ain’t cheap, not implying it doesn’t add value.
If money wasn’t an object in my retirement, I’d have a kickass set of rolands and sd3, for sure.
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Post by M57 on Jan 13, 2022 14:56:23 GMT -6
I read a review which suggested that EZ Drummer 2 may be the better choice over SD3 for straight out of the box down and dirty songwriting/inspiration. Is it because SD3's range of function and choices can overwhelm the user, or does EZD have features that SD3 doesn't, like tapping out rhythms to find a groove match? Also, my understanding is that while you can export both as MIDI information into a Logic set, the piano lanes in Logic are not labelled, which is a PITA, but with SD3 it's not so much a problem because you edit within the program anyway.
And one other question. Do expansion packs work with EZD2?
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Post by notneeson on Jan 13, 2022 16:59:48 GMT -6
I read a review which suggested that EZ Drummer 2 may be the better choice over SD3 for straight out of the box down and dirty songwriting/inspiration. Is it because SD3's range of function and choices can overwhelm the user, or does EZD have features that SD3 doesn't, like tapping out rhythms to find a groove match? Also, my understanding is that while you can export both as MIDI information into a Logic set, the piano lanes in Logic are not labelled, which is a PITA, but with SD3 it's not so much a problem because you edit within the program anyway. And one other question. Do expansion packs work with EZD2? Editing midi in SD3 is a breeze, simpler (to me) than Pro Tools or Reason (I don't use Logic). And yes you can "tap to find." The newest/best expansions packs only work with SD3. |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 13, 2022 17:52:47 GMT -6
I was just saying sd3 ain’t cheap, not implying it doesn’t add value. If money wasn’t an object in my retirement, I’d have a kickass set of rolands and sd3, for sure. Totally, you are not wrong, my friend! |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Jan 13, 2022 19:09:08 GMT -6
just one comment about sd3 , it sure ain't cheap, was just looking at a variety of purchases/packages, if going back in, I know way cheaper than real drums or studio time, but I was quickly up to $7-1000 use, I know the price of admission, but that gave me pause. guess I am spoiled with logic producer + drums, simply included in each free update . I do think sd3 has the sonic edge but, SD3 and a couple SDX expansions can cover a lot of ground and will probably be around $500 if you catch the sales. |
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Post by Guitar on Jan 13, 2022 19:16:15 GMT -6
I'm milking the core library and one discounted expansion for under $500.... still satisfying even though I don't have the fancy nancy ones yet.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 14, 2022 0:59:18 GMT -6
Is tracker an sd3 function: it’s ringing a bell ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 14, 2022 1:01:27 GMT -6
Oh ya I remember.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 14, 2022 9:52:25 GMT -6
Is tracker an sd3 function: it’s ringing a bell ? If you’re mixing stuff tracked in less than ideal drum rooms Tracker can level up the drum sounds rather quickly, it’s pretty cool. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 14, 2022 16:25:36 GMT -6
I read a review which suggested that EZ Drummer 2 may be the better choice over SD3 for straight out of the box down and dirty songwriting/inspiration. Is it because SD3's range of function and choices can overwhelm the user, or does EZD have features that SD3 doesn't, like tapping out rhythms to find a groove match? Also, my understanding is that while you can export both as MIDI information into a Logic set, the piano lanes in Logic are not labelled, which is a PITA, but with SD3 it's not so much a problem because you edit within the program anyway. And one other question. Do expansion packs work with EZD2? There is nothing substantive that is exclusive to EZD2 (vs. SD3). There are (obviously) numerous things exclusive to SD3 (vs. EZD2). SD3 can also open any kind of expansion pack, whether a SD pack or an EZD pack (EZD2 cannot open SD packs). It's quite simple to get SD3 to work exactly like EZD2. I can't think of any good reason to go EZD2 instead of SD3 unless someone KNOWS they will NEVER want the extra functions of SD3, or if cost is the deciding factor for someone. The EZD packs are usually a bit more "pre-processed" right out of the gate, but SD3 has mixer presets that will do a similar thing if you want a more "finished" sound. I've heard that editing/constructing a part in SD3 is nice and easy, but I use Logic, and I'm used to the workflow of editing MIDI in Logic, so I do it that way. |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Jan 15, 2022 4:16:16 GMT -6
I read a review which suggested that EZ Drummer 2 may be the better choice over SD3 for straight out of the box down and dirty songwriting/inspiration. Is it because SD3's range of function and choices can overwhelm the user, or does EZD have features that SD3 doesn't, like tapping out rhythms to find a groove match? Also, my understanding is that while you can export both as MIDI information into a Logic set, the piano lanes in Logic are not labelled, which is a PITA, but with SD3 it's not so much a problem because you edit within the program anyway. And one other question. Do expansion packs work with EZD2? There is nothing substantive that is exclusive to EZD2 (vs. SD3). There are (obviously) numerous things exclusive to SD3 (vs. EZD2). SD3 can also open any kind of expansion pack, whether a SD pack or an EZD pack (EZD2 cannot open SD packs). It's quite simple to get SD3 to work exactly like EZD2. I can't think of any good reason to go EZD2 instead of SD3 unless someone KNOWS they will NEVER want the extra functions of SD3, or if cost is the deciding factor for someone. The EZD packs are usually a bit more "pre-processed" right out of the gate, but SD3 has mixer presets that will do a similar thing if you want a more "finished" sound. I've heard that editing/constructing a part in SD3 is nice and easy, but I use Logic, and I'm used to the workflow of editing MIDI in Logic, so I do it that way. SD3 midi editor is hugely 'superior' for editing drums in my experience and I use Cubase which has a very good drum editor. You can enable SD3 keyboard shortcuts in the setting which makes things very quick. Not sure why it isn't enabled by default. I have both EZ2 and SD3 and agree EZ2 doesn't have any benefits apart from price. |
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Post by deif on Jan 15, 2022 9:33:00 GMT -6
I’ve bought and sold Superior Drummer 3 twice. It just wasn’t a fast enough workflow for me. It has too many options and I was constantly tweaking it to make it sound more real. I’m much happier with the sounds I’m getting from Addictive Drums. Soft hits, which is the style of playing I generally go for, sound more natural and I’m also less likely to go into a tweaking rabbit hole. The only thing I miss is the SD3 midi editor. I wish Logic had a drum editor like it.
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Post by bikescene on Jan 16, 2022 17:37:15 GMT -6
I crossgraded myself up to SD3 from the original EZD over the years. I think the increased number of round robins and samples makes the SDXs worth it, even in the draft stage. You can quickly draw in a simple beat in the piano roll, and it won’t sound too robotic considering the minimal effort. Specific to the Americana EZX, there’s 1 snare sample that sounds a little too different to the others to me at a certain velocity. And it happens every 4th hit or something like that.
I think that I have a better experience setting the levels in the extra channels of the SDX libraries. For example, kicks in the Indie Folk EZX are too big sounding for me, while I can dial it back in the Indiependent SDX.
I notice that I tend to stick to a smaller set of MIDI grooves from certain libraries like Custom & Vintage SDX. There are a lot of grooves with specific patterns, or have distracting fills.
I prefer to tap in beats with my Korg Padkontrol controller once I’m done with using the MIDI as placeholders.
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Post by christopher on Jan 17, 2022 11:58:21 GMT -6
Since I got it for free as part of IK’s special I should at least add that MODO is a great program, sounds good, easy to use and fun to play around with. I look at it as a kit in my room, limited options. You get a small handful of kits, stereo room type recorded thing, cool for most stuff but a pain to get a dry mono sound.
Pros:
The midi patterns are easy to work with, clearly labeled, easy to sort by verse/chorus/fill etc, drag and drop into the midi timeline, simple.
Kits sound great in wide stereo, rides sound natural etc. I’ve been really impressed with the natural sounding stuff it can produce, and how you can tune the head and stick placements etc, intuitive to use
Cons:
The kits are pre-mixed sounding, lots of body and room tone. if you want shimmery wide stereo great, but if you want a dry dead room tone it’s not the first choice. It can be done, just took me a while.
It doesn’t use samples I guess, it’s some kind of synth thing… er, maybe it does use samples but in a limited way. The cymbal overheads/rooms are very wide stereo, like MS. I think it’s to hide the synthy close mic tone? I like to process close mics to my liking rather that surf samples, I can make it work fine, but it does feel like I’m fighting to get there.
Overall it’s a great drum program with a few excellent sounding kits in a sweet wide room.
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