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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2014 21:39:25 GMT -6
Tony, I think you're being ultra-sensitive. I'm sorry that I dismissed a post of yours. I suppose I jumped and spouted off too too quickly. I'm sorry. I absolutely appreciate your comments and participation on the forum, but buddy, you are a bit sensitive sometimes - even of you have admitted as much.  It has to be the fiery Italian in you...Sometimes it can be hard to read intent and tone in written word. Obviously, I didn't read yours correctly and I think you misjudged mine towards you in the original posts. I do know that many times when the subject of the more expensive "new" mic offerings comes up, you seem to dislike the idea and approach it with the idea that anyone that buys it is somewhat foolish. Maybe that's because of your DIY experience - and that's awesome for you...but different strokes for different folks. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 4, 2014 22:21:11 GMT -6
I'll say this, for a 5G mic, I'd want a solid return policy. I thought the mic sounded great, but even though online files are often helpful, they're all too frequently deceiving, so I appreciate both John's and Tony's input. I've had 2 experiences where the mic I bought sounded exactly as good as the files and face-offs I'd heard, and one where it was miles off. That's not enough experience to make an educated statement, other than, see my first sentence.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 4, 2014 22:36:01 GMT -6
Yeah I'm a firm believer that not much of anything we hear or see on the net gives a very good picture of what a tool is or is not. Much is hype, and I'm sure there have been cases of plain old false advertisement. I personally don't think this is the case for this particular mic builder though.
That's why I always try to find gear I'm interested in used. That way, when I get it in here a don't like it, I can flip it. No harm no foul.
This is one of those cases where there is no used market for this mic. And likely never will be. You either love it or your stuck with it. Kinna scary.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 5, 2014 6:34:37 GMT -6
Yep, that's why an honest return policy is a necessity.
As for the NU-87, I'd love to know what parts are in it.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 5, 2014 10:04:18 GMT -6
Studio 939 is chunger's internet site as stated but they have some new kit's coming and i think one will a 47
Also matador has been designing a universal psp that can be used with a variety of tubes/mikes
If you buy a hi end 47 cap, very certain you will have a fine 47 much more affordably
Their c12 build is very well documented and supported, i expect the same for new mikes that should be available literally any week now.
@tonyc u have built some matador/chunger kit's right ? What's your sense of this ?
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Post by kidvybes on May 5, 2014 11:02:58 GMT -6
...geez, I know some DIY guys building some very high-quality 47-type mics, using Thiersch M7 capsules, AMI historic reproduction trannies and varied NOS tube options for around 2K...seeing that just about every original U47 sounds different from the last one, I think the hype on these newer versions/clones for 5-6K borders on BS...you can get a beautiful 47 type mic for far less, and whether one is better or more true to the originals than another is very subjective...the people that do the most dissing are those that own originals and need to justify/protect their investments...just my .02c...
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Post by tonycamphd on May 5, 2014 11:26:05 GMT -6
Studio 939 is chunger's internet site as stated but they have some new kit's coming and i think one will a 47 Also matador has been designing a universal psp that can be used with a variety of tubes/mikes If you buy a hi end 47 cap, very certain you will have a fine 47 much more affordably Their c12 build is very well documented and supported, i expect the same for new mikes that should be available literally any week now. @tonyc u have built some matador/chunger kit's right ? What's your sense of this ? The Matachung C12 clone i built sounds very beautiful, i put a select nos ge 6072 tube from Christian Whitemore in it, and a Tim Campbell CT12 capsule, the top end extension is far reaching and silky, put that mic on an acoustic g, through a vp28 a little hard on the input, and boom a 70's recording vibe with no fuss. The mic can be a little sharp in the sibilant region for some sources though, it definitely follows the eq curve you'd expect from a C12. I didn't know 939 was coming out with a U47 clone?? that is great news, i bet Chung's partnering with Max (ioaudio @ groupdiy) on that, i know Max has been hard at work making a spitting image U47 clone, he's still using the pair of 408 tubes in parallel, but those and every other part of the mic, are physically positioned exactly where the originals were placed in the mic, it should be killer if the price stays down. Here's that link I know 939's coming out with a full elam 251 clone kit as well, i already have the parts for one, but i'm probably going to build a pair, i am officially on Tim Campbell's waiting list(believe it or not lol) for 2 more of his little beauties, so i'm looking forward to that. The nice thing about the Elam/C12 clones, is with a simple exchange of the head basket, and about 5 or 6 internal components, you can turn one mic into the other very accurately. dont be afraid to try it fella's, it's cheap, its fun, there is a ton of support(including the diy section here) and if all else fails, someone can/will bail you out and finish it for you if you're stumped, for a very low cost. The finished results sound spectacular by any standard. (sorry Johnkenn it's like i have diy tourrets 8) hope this helps |
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Post by kidvybes on May 5, 2014 12:19:06 GMT -6
I didn't know 939 was coming out with a U47 clone?? that is great news, i bet Chung's partnering with Max (ioaudio @ groupdiy) on that, i know Max has been hard at work making a spitting image U47 clone, he's still using the pair of 408 tubes in parallel, but those and every other part of the mic, are physically positioned exactly where the originals were placed in the mic, it should be killer if the price stays down. Here's that link Yes Tony, I believe it's a collaboration with Max, Chung, Matador and Dandeurloo...might even include Eric's (tskguy) 47 capsule...no limits when you gather a team like that...looking forward to hearing Eric's new HK12 capsule as well...I have an ADK Custom Shop GK12d capsule in my Matachung C12 and it's a bit less bright than Tim's capsule, very smooth and quite beautiful sounding... |
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Post by warren on May 5, 2014 16:44:53 GMT -6
kidvybes off topic but happen to have any samples of that capsule in use? I have a Metachung C12 that I've been waiting to change capsule. Was thinking of Tim's capsule but don't want to wait. Alternatives I've been looking at are Beesneez and Peluso, haven't heard the ADKs before so it'd be great to hear it. And I believe I heard that HK12 before, didn't sound close to me. Maybe that was an early prototype though Thanks!
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Post by kidvybes on May 6, 2014 7:16:34 GMT -6
kidvybes off topic but happen to have any samples of that capsule in use? I have a Metachung C12 that I've been waiting to change capsule. Was thinking of Tim's capsule but don't want to wait. Alternatives I've been looking at are Beesneez and Peluso, haven't heard the ADKs before so it'd be great to hear it. And I believe I heard that HK12 before, didn't sound close to me. Maybe that was an early prototype though Thanks! Hi Warren...actually I don't have any samples of that mic that I am free to post at this time (I only have vocal tracks for an original composition by a client) but I will try to get something done to simply demo the mic...the GK12d is not a historically accurate version of the C12, as is Tim's, Ben Sneesby's (and now Eric Heiserman's), but rather a high-quality, hybrid edge-terminated capsule tuned to replicate the response of a 60's C12... But I wouldn't rule out the HK12 just yet...Eric's prototypes were a touch sibilant/bright, but I think he's on top of that...I decided to order one for a Matachung 251 that I'm having built, and after some lengthy conversations with Eric, I'm confident he can deliver what I'm going for in this build...I like the fact that he's willing to do some fine tuning of the response to suit the sonic goal of the project... BTW, tonycamphd posted this recording done with his Matachung C12 with Tim's capsule today: realgearonline.com/thread/1331/clones-shoulder-stereo-acoustic-sample |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2014 7:37:26 GMT -6
kidvybes off topic but happen to have any samples of that capsule in use? I have a Metachung C12 that I've been waiting to change capsule. Was thinking of Tim's capsule but don't want to wait. Alternatives I've been looking at are Beesneez and Peluso, haven't heard the ADKs before so it'd be great to hear it. And I believe I heard that HK12 before, didn't sound close to me. Maybe that was an early prototype though Thanks! Hi Warren...actually I don't have any samples of that mic that I am free to post at this time (I only have vocal tracks for an original composition by a client) but I will try to get something done to simply demo the mic...the GK12d is not a historically accurate version of the C12, as is Tim's, Ben Sneesby's (and now Eric Heiserman's), but rather a high-quality, hybrid edge-terminated capsule tuned to replicate the response of a 60's C12... But I wouldn't rule out the HK12 just yet...Eric's prototypes were a touch sibilant/bright, but I think he's on top of that...I decided to order one for a Matachung 251 that I'm having built, and after some lengthy conversations with Eric, I'm confident he can deliver what I'm going for in this build...I like the fact that he's willing to do some fine tuning of the response to suit the sonic goal of the project... BTW, tonycamphd posted this recording done with his Matachung C12 with Tim's capsule today: realgearonline.com/thread/1331/clones-shoulder-stereo-acoustic-sampleI have to say - that sample is a great endorsement for the DIY mics... |
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Post by warren on May 6, 2014 9:28:05 GMT -6
kidvybes ah cool. Do you happen to know if he's got current sound samples of the HK12 that's available to listen to? Would be great to pick up a capsule stateside rather than have to wait months + length of time to ship from Denmark. Thanks!
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Post by tonycamphd on May 6, 2014 9:54:13 GMT -6
kidvybes off topic but happen to have any samples of that capsule in use? I have a Metachung C12 that I've been waiting to change capsule. Was thinking of Tim's capsule but don't want to wait. Alternatives I've been looking at are Beesneez and Peluso, haven't heard the ADKs before so it'd be great to hear it. And I believe I heard that HK12 before, didn't sound close to me. Maybe that was an early prototype though Thanks! hi Warren, wait bro! Tims is the cats behind, Eric is awesome also, so he may hit one out? |
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Post by kidvybes on May 6, 2014 10:17:13 GMT -6
kidvybes ah cool. Do you happen to know if he's got current sound samples of the HK12 that's available to listen to? Would be great to pick up a capsule stateside rather than have to wait months + length of time to ship from Denmark. Thanks! ...Eric's first production run (35-40 capsules I believe) for the HK12 is now in progress, so it shouldn't be long before he posts samples on his white market thread for these newly tweaked production versions...keep in mind he can also tweak if you have a specific variation in mind (since C12 capsules are historically all over the place)...I'm sending him vocal samples for reference purposes, both of my Matachung C12 (so as not to duplicate this voicing) and a vocal performance recorded on a very reputable, high-priced 251 clone (the sound I'm hoping to replicate)... ...my apologies if these posts strayed from the OP's subject matter... |
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Post by warren on May 6, 2014 10:22:35 GMT -6
Cool I'll check them out when he posts, thanks. And tonycamphd, might just do that |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 7, 2014 18:09:22 GMT -6
kidvybes off topic but happen to have any samples of that capsule in use? I have a Metachung C12 that I've been waiting to change capsule. Was thinking of Tim's capsule but don't want to wait. Alternatives I've been looking at are Beesneez and Peluso, haven't heard the ADKs before so it'd be great to hear it. And I believe I heard that HK12 before, didn't sound close to me. Maybe that was an early prototype though Thanks! tim is taking orders now! |
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Post by Ward on May 8, 2014 13:21:46 GMT -6
Ok, girls... you're all pretty.
Martin's re-engineering (backwards engineering if you will) of the best U47 he could find to make the NU47 is REMARKABLE. In every side by side comparison, it is absolutely identical and indistinguishable. It is that perfect. And no VF14 UF14 EF14 EF12 etc tubes were used in the making of it either. How many Nuvistors in there? How many Jfets? Germanium components? State secret!!
WHen I have the available cash, I am getting one and have committed the same to Martin. He's EVER so easy to deal with!
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It has to be the fiery Italian in you...Sometimes it can be hard to read intent and tone in written word. Obviously, I didn't read yours correctly and I think you misjudged mine towards you in the original posts. I do know that many times when the subject of the more expensive "new" mic offerings comes up, you seem to dislike the idea and approach it with the idea that anyone that buys it is somewhat foolish. Maybe that's because of your DIY experience - and that's awesome for you...but different strokes for different folks. 
