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Post by indiehouse on Sept 7, 2021 4:27:42 GMT -6
Well, had this M1 Mac since July. My advice is = Do. Not. Do it. Too much software just not Apple Silicon compatible yet. It'll be quite a long while. I knew this going in, however the other things that just don't seem to work like the video output dying on me, backup software failing, external hard drives unmounting themselves and not being found, constant software crashes etc, seem to be just part of this Mac. Some folks mentioned the phrase "nothing but trouble" in the thread to describe their Mac and that phrase is coming to mind quite a bit. Some of that is due to Rosetta translations but a lot of it is plain stuff not working. I'll see how this pans out for about a year, but so far it's not even close to the Mac paradise I always heard about. It's a shame Windows continues to break itself. Will see what 11 is like a year from now. Yeah, but why buy an M1 when you need stability? M1 macs are for beta testers right now, or guys that like to be on the cutting edge. I bought the last intel iMac and it’s been rock solid for me. Not one hiccup.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 7, 2021 5:30:13 GMT -6
Hmm, I only had one problem with my m1 and just ran rosetta2.
The Lynx drivers were beta. It recorded fine, I just found n control flaky, but apparently it is out of beta now
The improved performance and battery life of m1 builds, which will be improved further with m1x are advantages.
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Post by standup on Sept 7, 2021 5:57:21 GMT -6
I’m a graphic designer and have been using Macs at work and at home forever. Except for the last few years, I’ve been a contractor for a govt agency, and there are no Macs in government.
No computer will be totally problem-free, but after all these years I can solve Mac problems. If I have a PC problem I pick up the phone and call IT.
Running Photoshop, Illustrator, etc under Windows is pretty much like running it on a Mac, except for key combinations.
But because of my history and familiarity with the Mac OS world, I would never buy a PC for my own use.
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Post by askomiko on Sept 7, 2021 6:13:26 GMT -6
It would be easy to install one software, never update anything, and disconnect from internet. No problems. Get another machine for general usage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 6:18:17 GMT -6
Well, had this M1 Mac since July. My advice is = Do. Not. Do it. Too much software just not Apple Silicon compatible yet. It'll be quite a long while. I knew this going in, however the other things that just don't seem to work like the video output dying on me, backup software failing, external hard drives unmounting themselves and not being found, constant software crashes etc, seem to be just part of this Mac. Some folks mentioned the phrase "nothing but trouble" in the thread to describe their Mac and that phrase is coming to mind quite a bit. Some of that is due to Rosetta translations but a lot of it is plain stuff not working. I'll see how this pans out for about a year, but so far it's not even close to the Mac paradise I always heard about. It's a shame Windows continues to break itself. Will see what 11 is like a year from now. Yeah, but why buy an M1 when you need stability? M1 macs are for beta testers right now, or guys that like to be on the cutting edge. I bought the last intel iMac and it’s been rock solid for me. Not one hiccup. M1 Macs would cover 95% of my music production needs (Reaper, TDR, and Uhe plugs) but for that last 5%, who the hell knows. So I’m waiting for m1x
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 7, 2021 9:41:09 GMT -6
Well, had this M1 Mac since July. My advice is = Do. Not. Do it. Too much software just not Apple Silicon compatible yet. It'll be quite a long while. I knew this going in, however the other things that just don't seem to work like the video output dying on me, backup software failing, external hard drives unmounting themselves and not being found, constant software crashes etc, seem to be just part of this Mac. Some folks mentioned the phrase "nothing but trouble" in the thread to describe their Mac and that phrase is coming to mind quite a bit. Some of that is due to Rosetta translations but a lot of it is plain stuff not working. I'll see how this pans out for about a year, but so far it's not even close to the Mac paradise I always heard about. It's a shame Windows continues to break itself. Will see what 11 is like a year from now. Yeah, but why buy an M1 when you need stability? M1 macs are for beta testers right now, or guys that like to be on the cutting edge. I bought the last intel iMac and it’s been rock solid for me. Not one hiccup. Stability is only a part of the picture. I expected hiccups, I didn't expect this level of instability based on what other reviewers had stated. Also M1's cheaper than the Intel's and I didn't want an iMac. If I am going to move forward I wanted to have an increase or at least same level of CPU power as my PC which was an i7700k. Regardless, I'm just giving my real world observations here. I don't mind taking some risks. I'm just being honest about it.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 7, 2021 9:42:24 GMT -6
Hmm, I only had one problem with my m1 and just ran rosetta2. The Lynx drivers were beta. It recorded fine, I just found n control flaky, but apparently it is out of beta now The improved performance and battery life of m1 builds, which will be improved further with m1x are advantages. N control is all good. It's the DAWs and OS, video output etc that are the issue. The 15 watt TDP is amazing though.
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Post by sophiass091 on Sept 7, 2021 10:02:50 GMT -6
Had a Mac and nothing but trouble!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 10:07:48 GMT -6
I've used Macs as my primary machines since 1992. The problem with upgrades breaking plugins is really true only when there's a major update (from Catalina to Big Sur for instance). I've never had a maintenance update break anything. It's always worth waiting when a major release comes out (I waited about 4-5 months after Big Sur came out). You'll find compatibility lists in a number of places (Production Expert is a one good source). And it's always a good idea to make a note of all your software and to check manufacturers' websites to make sure they're compatible.
Of course there's a time in every computer's life --Mac or Win--when it can't move forward to the next O/S. At that point it's a good idea to take stock of all your software and to avoid updating ANY of it without checking to make sure it's compatible with the O/S on your computer. I can tell you as a former developer that most of us can't keep backwards compatibility forever. I tried to be very clear to my customers--months ahead of time--when I was dropping support for RTAS, 32-bit or whatever. Even with that, I still had to jump in with some folks and walk them through getting back to a working version.
The moral of the story is that you as a user really do have to keep up with what's compatible and how any upgrade (app, plugin/OS) might affect your overall system. It can be a pain, but any responsible developer is going to provide compatibility information. Sometimes it can take a while. But it takes a lot less time than getting a busted system back online when you have a deadline!
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Post by howie on Sept 7, 2021 10:52:42 GMT -6
Years ago (1998) When I took a class in Photoshop - I did not know how to use a mouse. The class had only Macs - so that was my intro to using a computer.
I stuck with the Macs ever since. Not gonna even try to go Windows. I have my hands full enough with Mac software.
I do appreciate the customer service from Apple - has got me out of many a jam.
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Post by svart on Sept 14, 2021 8:06:32 GMT -6
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Post by mcirish on Sept 14, 2021 9:14:37 GMT -6
My recommendation is to get whatever you feel most comfortable with. I do IT work to support my audio habits. I deal with mac and PC all day, every day. Both have pros and cons. Personally, I go with PC as I like being able to upgrade and choose my specific options. I feel pretty comfortable fixing any PC related issue. It seems with Macs, once a problem gets to a certain point, the only option is to nuke the drive and start over. Might not be a bad idea but sure is a PITA to reinstall stuff on either system. As far as viruses and spyware, Microsoft stepped up their game with Windows 10 and their built in antivirus. I don't run into any troubles but I also don't try to do gaming or visit site of dubious origins. I do like the sleek designs of MacBooks. I just wish they were upgradable and/or repairable. Ever try to replace the battery in a Macbook Pro? The have adhesive holding them in. It's a real experience to remove them. Highly not recommended. On the other hand, if you build a PC and run into trouble, you don't have someone like an Apple store to solve your troubles.
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Post by ericn on Sept 14, 2021 10:58:12 GMT -6
The period of transition on Mac is always scary, there are those who thought since this was going to be a phased in switch and Apple was great at providing developers with a Version of the New Mini that would never be on sale it would be different.
Different yes, it’s Apple, better? Hell no it’s Apple.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 14, 2021 11:25:07 GMT -6
My recommendation is to get whatever you feel most comfortable with. I do IT work to support my audio habits. I deal with mac and PC all day, every day. Both have pros and cons. Personally, I go with PC as I like being able to upgrade and choose my specific options. I feel pretty comfortable fixing any PC related issue. It seems with Macs, once a problem gets to a certain point, the only option is to nuke the drive and start over. Might not be a bad idea but sure is a PITA to reinstall stuff on either system. As far as viruses and spyware, Microsoft stepped up their game with Windows 10 and their built in antivirus. I don't run into any troubles but I also don't try to do gaming or visit site of dubious origins. I do like the sleek designs of MacBooks. I just wish they were upgradable and/or repairable. Ever try to replace the battery in a Macbook Pro? The have adhesive holding them in. It's a real experience to remove them. Highly not recommended. On the other hand, if you build a PC and run into trouble, you don't have someone like an Apple store to solve your troubles. Similar experiences with Windows here since I build my systems. I think what got me was a bad ram stick though it had worked for some years. That PC is relatively problem free aside from some minor nuisances now. However it's relegate to gaming for now.
With my Apple experience so far, I would not do it again. Few gains if any, and a lot of issues with this machine.
We'll see how I feel 6 months from now.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 14, 2021 11:25:53 GMT -6
The period of transition on Mac is always scary, there are those who thought since this was going to be a phased in switch and Apple was great at providing developers with a Version of the New Mini that would never be on sale it would be different. Different yes, it’s Apple, better? Hell no it’s Apple. This many months in and still how many plugin devs aren't silicon compatible? Most of them. Can't really judge this M1 system if everything I'm doing is translated.
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Post by ericn on Sept 14, 2021 11:39:23 GMT -6
The period of transition on Mac is always scary, there are those who thought since this was going to be a phased in switch and Apple was great at providing developers with a Version of the New Mini that would never be on sale it would be different. Different yes, it’s Apple, better? Hell no it’s Apple. This many months in and still how many plugin devs aren't silicon compatible? Most of them. Can't really judge this M1 system if everything I'm doing is translated.
You have to look at it from the view of a small developer, Apple still has more Macs with Intel vs Apple silicon, why should he at this point put the effort in to rewrite an old plugin? He is probably going make more spending time working on new products! At some point Apple Will announce the end of Intel in Apple boxes then you will see everybody scrambling. Yeah I know you did the right thing bought into the future and you get screwed. Been there done that.
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Post by popmann on Sept 14, 2021 11:42:18 GMT -6
It would be easy to install one software, never update anything, and disconnect from internet. No problems. Get another machine for general usage. Yes and no. Academically, yes. Functionally, it depends on more factors. On OSX? Not functionally viable, because it would mean you can't add a PLUG IN down the road over the lifetime of the machine. On Windows? Sure. I would bet money I can get Kontakt6 working on my (now dead) Core2Quad Win7 machine for the latest instruments. I KNOW I had SD3 and Keyscape running on it because my Macbook wouldn't. Anyway--if you can commit to the DAW, and it's VST...that will host new plug ins for at leasta decade before there are any tangible limitations. So either platform, you can certainly buy everything you need, configure it and unplug. But, with Windows and VST you'll be able to change hardware IO and add software plug ins over the lifetime of the machine without much limitation....Apple, you got a couple years MAX, depending on timing of the build. Then you can't use a lot of new plug ins and it really becomes an embedded system that just does THAT....never more.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 14, 2021 11:54:19 GMT -6
This many months in and still how many plugin devs aren't silicon compatible? Most of them. Can't really judge this M1 system if everything I'm doing is translated.
You have to look at it from the view of a small developer, Apple still has more Macs with Intel vs Apple silicon, why should he at this point put the effort in to rewrite an old plugin? He is probably going make more spending time working on new products! At some point Apple Will announce the end of Intel in Apple boxes then you will see everybody scrambling. Yeah I know you did the right thing bought into the future and you get screwed. Been there done that. For that developer, merely a question of proliferation of M1 users and percentage of current customers and new asking about/wanting M1 compat, though it will run translated anyway.
There's a line in the sand some place and it will be different for every dev. The single man operation at Fuse has been m1 compat for a while. Maybe because of a smaller library. I can't imagine having to re code everything in the waves library...
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Post by sirthought on Sept 14, 2021 17:47:40 GMT -6
No idea if this is true, but someone suggested that many developers aren't M1 native yet because iLok is still figuring out how to handle old/new systems for people that switch computers.
I haven't looked to see who all is native at this point, but I'm guessing none are copy protected with iLok. As an iLok owner who wants to get an M1 mac, I'm not looking forward to the likely prospect that I'll have to buy a new iLok.
I've heard these plugins are native: Valhalla, Fab Filter, Blue Cat, DDMF, PreSonus, Serato, Uhe, Acon Digital, several Acustica, Kazrog, and Metric Halo
That's it. An any plugin in the AAX version won't be native until Avid is. Even Apogee 'Native' plugins aren't native yet, which surprises me.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 14, 2021 18:05:46 GMT -6
No idea if this is true, but someone suggested that many developers aren't M1 native yet because iLok is still figuring out how to handle old/new systems for people that switch computers. I haven't looked to see who all is native at this point, but I'm guessing none are copy protected with iLok. As an iLok owner who wants to get an M1 mac, I'm not looking forward to the likely prospect that I'll have to buy a new iLok. I've heard these plugins are native: Valhalla, Fab Filter, Blue Cat, DDMF, PreSonus, Serato, Uhe, Acon Digital, several Acustica, Kazrog, and Metric Halo That's it. An any plugin in the AAX version won't be native until Avid is. Even Apogee 'Native' plugins aren't native yet, which surprises me. Hm. Interestingly enough, I have had no issues with my ilok stuff. Translated or otherwise.
PT went over to apple silicon with a version about a month or two ago, IIRC.
Fuse audio is also Silicon approved, as are some of Tokyo Dawn labs. Smaller library companies seem to be jumping on faster. There are probably more but, it'll take time.
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Post by sirthought on Sept 14, 2021 18:35:15 GMT -6
Pro Tools is only M1 supported, not native.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 14, 2021 18:36:48 GMT -6
Pro Tools is only M1 supported, not native. Ahhhhhhhhh. I see.
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